Who is less evil

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-24 11:44pm

Read this

Basically the middle of the thread says movie DVDs are reasonably priced compared to music CDs since they have more content, yet cost only slightly more. However the MPAA has been responsible for such things as the implementation of DRM, DMCA, CBDPTA, etc. Paranoid arseholes are worse then I am.

. Damn I don't fucking pirate CD's, why should I have DRM forced into my computer?

Oh but the thing is that many corporations belong to both...

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-24 11:45pm

nothing is eviler than a wasted bottle of zima

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-01-24 11:45pm

^^ wrote:nothing is eviler than a wasted bottle of zima

Shut up, kid.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-24 11:46pm

Well, I just pay what they ask for, since they're perfectly reasonable prices to me.

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-24 11:47pm

Dalton wrote:
^^ wrote:nothing is eviler than a wasted bottle of zima
bottoms up

WASTED.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-01-24 11:49pm

The more you tighten your grip Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers-Princess Leia ANH.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-24 11:58pm

Well, I just pay what they ask for, since they're perfectly reasonable prices to me.

It costs 50 cents to produce a music CD. Still think it's reasonable to pay $20 for albums that often only have one or two hit songs?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-25 12:00am

Last CD I bought was the FOTR soundtrack, so yes, it was worth paying... $15 for.

And just so you know: I do NOT support the concept of those copy-proof CDs, as they possibly involve a reduction in quality.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-25 12:02am

I'm talking about popular music, Spanky.

Not that FOTR soundtrack isn't popular or good. It's just in the classical style, not the popular style.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-25 12:03am

If I like the songs, yes.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 12:13am

Poll added.

What is FOTR? I don't listen to any new music, just the same 30 something songs looping over and over.

Well the music CDs cost ~16$, probably more, while movies cost ~17. There is more entertainment value in movies, and they cost more money to produce (content)- about 1 million for CDs, tens of millions for movies. Of course much of this is already paid for by the profits from the theaters, but still, the content is worth more. Of course (I'm not sure) the MPAA is involved in the DeCSS thing (don't have a computer DVD player either, so linux compatiblity not an issue personally). They also have been more vocal about the DMCA.

I quite frankly don't care about the state of P2P or pirating, I just don't want measures like the DMCA, and the possible CBDPTA crippling my hardware (OSS OSes like Linux could never work on such hardware due to NDAs). Of course I still download the occasional song.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-25 12:14am

Fellowship of the Ring.

Necro99 · Post by **Necro99** » 2003-01-25 12:20am

F*ck them all, everything should cost the price it cost to make them

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 12:27am

Region coding on DVDs is an attempt to extort as much money from foreign countries as possible.

Oh and the MPAA lies through it's teeth:

http://www.mpaa.org/Press/DVD_FAQ.htm

Some computer users say they only want to use DeCSS to view their DVDs on computers that use the Linux operating system. Windows- and Macintosh-based computers can play DVDs, so is it fair to deprive the Linux community?
The Linux argument is a false issue. It has always been in the interest of the Motion Picture industry that there be as many legitimately licensed DVD players as possible, including those using non-Windows operating systems. However the argument that DeCSS was written for Linux players is simply false. The De-CSS utility was written for Windows-based software, not Linux.

Also, the development of two, separate, licensed DVD players for Linux systems - which use the CSS system - were recently announced. Sigma Designs (www.sigmadesigns.com) and InterVideo Inc. (www.intervideo.com) both announced the roll-out of LICENSED, LEGAL Linux-based DVD players.

The DMCA does allow a lawful user of a computer program to circumvent TPMs to ensure that the program can work with other programs (interoperability); and, with strict limitations, the research may be shared with others, as long as it does not infringe the copyright in the original or a related work. However, reverse engineering is not permissible if there is a readily available commercial alternative for that purpose. In this case, there exist MANY commercially available DVD players.

What commercially available DVD players?

http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/LinDVD.jsp
Available to manufacturers only

Sigma sells hardware decoders only, which I think don't have linux drivers.

I've never owned any kind of DVD player anyways, so this point is moot. Still I might plan to somewhere in the future.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-01-25 12:27am

The way I look at it. Music artists and the fucktards at the RIAA have to earn my money. If they churn out a CD with 90 percent crap that I don't like but it has 1 or 2 songs that I do like. I aint gonna pay for it. I download. If the CD has up to 5 songs that I like than I will *consider* buying it. If it has 6 or more songs I really like than and only than have they earned my money.

However since very few artists put out CD's with 6 or more songs that I like I tend to download more music than buy. If the RIAA doesn't like that thats to bad for them.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-25 12:29am

You have a problem with region codes, Plutonium?

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 12:29am

Necro99 wrote:F*ck them all, everything should cost the price it cost to make them

Then what would be the point. No profit, no incentive to make them.

Also the MPAA site always assumes the consumer is pirating.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 12:38am

No actually I don't, since I've never possessed a DVD, or DVD player (too broke to buy ANYTHING).

Regional DVD coding has nothing to do with encryption. Encryption is designed to protect a DVD from being copied. Regional coding only requires that the DVD be played on a DVD player made for one of the large international regions of the world in which that consumer lives.

Regional DVD coding was devised to protect the theatrical distribution market for motion pictures in international markets. It is simply impossible with present technologies to supply film prints of a movie to all of the theaters around the world at the same time. Motion pictures released by the major studios are generally released first in the Untied States and subsequently overseas. For this reason, motion pictures are released to theaters in countries in a "staggered" sequence. After the theatrical exhibition of a motion picture in a particular country, it is then released to the pay-per-view, video and television markets. DVDs are regionally coded to prevent them from being imported into countries where the motion picture has not yet completed its theatrical release. Without such protections, motion picture theatrical distributors and exhibitors abroad could lose a significant portion of their audiences to advance DVD viewing. The lost theatrical revenues could result in theater closures, lost jobs, depriving consumers throughout the world from seeing motion pictures on the big screen. A similar impact has occurred in some worldwide markets where illegal imports are unchecked.

Right

. Losing significant portions of revenue. Right.

. I can just imagine MASSIVE smuggling of DVDs. So what happened to fair use? For example Zaia can't play aussie DVDs because of this. Many DVDs are released in one region only.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-25 12:56am

Necro99 wrote:F*ck them all, everything should cost the price it cost to make them

There's a reason why there are only four communist states left today, three of which are now fully embracing capitalism and the forth has mass starvation.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 01:01am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Necro99 wrote:F*ck them all, everything should cost the price it cost to make them
There's a reason why there are only four communist states left today, three of which are now fully embracing capitalism and the forth has mass starvation.

Cuba, China, Vietnam, and North Korea, right?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-25 03:09am

Plutonium, it's true about region codes. Don't let your socialist pirate values make you blind to simple God damn facts.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 03:00pm

I'm not a socialist, or a pirate. I've never heard about mass smuggling of converted NTSC->PAL tapes to foreign countries. Then again I've sort of been living in a cave.

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP CALLING ME THAT?

At least I'm not a commie like Necro.

I don't pirate DVDs and it's not practical anyways with the high cost of DVD media.

Besides you yourself admit you've swiped a few songs off Kazaa.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... nmx#257651

I also use WinMX.

But only for fansubs and individual MP3s - never for shows/films that have been released, entire albums, or programmes.

Kazaa was a piece of shit that didn't work. So was Morp ...

What do you mean by individual MP3s? Hmm...
So, I don't download those things either, except ONE program (DOOM), jus t to run the Goldeneye mod.

I'm one of the few people who can actually count how many MP3s I've downloaded. 31 as of now. There's more on the hard drive but my sister downloaded those, and I hate asian music- ugh.

EDIT:Playlist removed

Then some PDF books (about C++) and the DOOM wadfiles, which are about 10 years old. Thats about it.

OK, maybe that's 1 entire album. ??

My sister, on the other hand does pirating and is going to force me to install a pirated version of the abomination called Office XP.

I used to use pirated games and other software, but I've replaced MS Office with OpenOffice (until my sister forces me to install it again). I still keep some pirated old games but I don't play them. The games, I just replaced with a legally bought version of HW:C, which is better than all of them combined. Now however I don't play games anymore since they interfere with school.

I'm bitching since they are limiting the rights of legitimate users to go after the pirates. Guilty before proven innocent.

Spanky, stop being hostile toward everyone.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-25 03:21pm

OH never mind, you said I had "socialist pirate" values, not that I was one. What's wrong with being against extortion and protecting fair use rights, as well as retaining control in the consumer.

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2003-01-25 04:50pm

Hmm... I'm probably just making myself look like an idiot here but... who's Necro?

As for piracy, well since I've never really been a fan of most mainstream music (Or ANY form of music for that matter... incurable geekdom) I can't say I've ever felt any real urge to pirate music, but personally I find it hard to believe record componaies are all so impoverished as to be really suffering from this.

On one hand I've NEVER pirated computer games in my life (the industry makes far too little profit on most games, statistics-wise as it is, though whose fault that is is opened to debate.) Then again the computer I'm typing this on is running on a pirated version of windows 98 so, basicly I couldn't care less. Most of the time it depends on how much I like the individual company, yeah it's fickle and hypocritical, but it keeps prices down (or is that up?

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Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-26 11:05am

Oh yeah I forgot. DeCSS nullifies the effect of region coding. Doesn't help owners of standalone DVD players though, unless they rip to VCD.

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