Wookieepedia Battle of Endor wrote:When the Rebels arrived, IG-88A fired the superlaser at the Rebel fleet when the Death Star gunners sent the signal to do so, letting the Imperials believe they were in control, while he prepared to transmit his master control signal that would cause all droids to turn on their masters. Many times, the aiming points and the firing coordinates of the gunners were slightly off and would have missed their intended targets completely had IG-88 not been in command to guarantee accuracy. When the Death Star core exploded, all power was lost and the destruction of the station wiped out IG-88A for good. It is unknown what would have been done to stop the rogue droid entity if the Empire had been victorious at Endor. One would think the Empire could simply replace the Death Star's computer core and dispose of the infected one, though with the nearly impenetrable defenses outside (and mostly likely inside), this may have proven to be extremely difficult.
I had head the IG-88 conspiracy but this is absurd. So without an idiot droid in their computer cores the Empire would not be able to hit the Rebel ships. WTF?!?
PS It also mentioned security to prevent replacement of the computer cores. Isn't all electronic security designed to be overridden physically.
That is so retarded. Whoever started that IG-88 stuff must have had a massive hard on for that droid that shows up what? 1 short scene in the entire movie series.
Goddamn SW EU, everything and everyone has to be connected to the main story and also has to be a threat and/or savior to the galaxy.
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The story was written by Kevin J Anderson, who also edited the book, what else should anyone expect from that talentless fuckup?
That being said the accuracy of the gunners being poor is a pretty shitty thing, especially since now with the Death Star novel from Perry and Reeves we see that even the DS-I could hit a ship with accuracy and that the Empire's gunnery crew were well trained enough so that such firing should not so difficult as IG-88's lame ass "tale" seems to indicate.
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Then again as far as I know they never tested the superlaser against small objects, so some errors would be natural (at least until they weere worked out.) Since they don't know about IG-88, they would assume that the accuracy would be due to the weapon functioning, not to extraordinary factors.
BEsides, its a bigasas gun with alot of momentum behind it even on lower settings . That's going to make targeting the thing against most ships a real bitch, especially if the ship decides to move. Targeting ships isn't its first function after all. And the fact that it just "barely" seems to miss is rather impressive, IMHO.
Seeing as how the computer full of things like the targeting programs got replaced by one with IG88 in it, the fact that they were just barely off when they were effectively firing manually is pretty impressive. Particularly when you consider the range, acceleration, and difficulty of adjusting the firing platform. Hell, in that light it is fucking fantastic.
However, I'd point out that this short is also chock full of things that contradict established canon and common sense (e.g. IG-88 having fingers and the "plot" itself, having stormtroopers do construction in full armor, etc.) so you could always discard it.
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Ah, the IG-88 story. Even when I was a teenybopper who saw no fault in Darksaber and the freaking Glove of Darth Vader, I still rejected that story as poorly done and not being-right.
Coiler wrote:Ah, the IG-88 story. Even when I was a teenybopper who saw no fault in Darksaber and the freaking Glove of Darth Vader, I still rejected that story as poorly done and not being-right.
Ditto.
Fortunately, that part of the story is entirely from IG-88's POV and can be written off as a megalomaniacal delusion. I rather like the idea of some no-name tech catching the intrusion and just putting the droid's personality into a simulation program.
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Ender wrote:Seeing as how the computer full of things like the targeting programs got replaced by one with IG88 in it, the fact that they were just barely off when they were effectively firing manually is pretty impressive. Particularly when you consider the range, acceleration, and difficulty of adjusting the firing platform. Hell, in that light it is fucking fantastic.
However, I'd point out that this short is also chock full of things that contradict established canon and common sense (e.g. IG-88 having fingers and the "plot" itself, having stormtroopers do construction in full armor, etc.) so you could always discard it.
On the other hand it had IG-88 massing several metric tons, so it also gave us some nice density figures on SW materials. IIRC he wasn't made from exceptional ones.
Connor MacLeod wrote:Then again as far as I know they never tested the superlaser against small objects, so some errors would be natural (at least until they weere worked out.) Since they don't know about IG-88, they would assume that the accuracy would be due to the weapon functioning, not to extraordinary factors.
Even the first Death Star, which couldn't fire off axis, was able to hit small obejcts and did so on its first attempt. I would think that the DS II should be just as accurate if not more so.
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Silver Jedi wrote:I thought the "tales" stories were n-canon anyway?
The non-canon Tales stories are the first couple dozen issues of the comic book Star Wars Tales. The anthology books are treated like normal EU canon.
That said, this IG-88 story is retarded and shouldn't have been made canon at all.
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Coiler wrote:Ah, the IG-88 story. Even when I was a teenybopper who saw no fault in Darksaber and the freaking Glove of Darth Vader, I still rejected that story as poorly done and not being-right.
Ditto.
Fortunately, that part of the story is entirely from IG-88's POV and can be written off as a megalomaniacal delusion. I rather like the idea of some no-name tech catching the intrusion and just putting the droid's personality into a simulation program.
Fill me in; if the destruction of the DSII wiped IG-88 out for good, then how do we gain any kind of retrospective on his POV?
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Of those "Tales of the Bounty Hunters", the only one I thought worth a damn was Boba Fett's. I rather liked him as a brilliant psychopath.
I thought the point of that anthology was a bunch of crackpots sitting around a table and telling stories to each other (I have not read it, though, so I may be mistaken). If so, one would reasonably ask where the story came from in-universe if no one knew of it.
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Desdinova wrote:Because, if you haven't realized it by now, this whole "Star Wars" thing is fiction...
Of those "Tales of the Bounty Hunters", the only one I thought worth a damn was Boba Fett's. I rather liked him as a brilliant psychopath.
I thought the point of that anthology was a bunch of crackpots sitting around a table and telling stories to each other (I have not read it, though, so I may be mistaken). If so, one would reasonably ask where the story came from in-universe if no one knew of it.
"IG-88 took control of the Death Star's superlaser, playing along and firing when the Death Star's gunners sent their signals. Many times their aiming points were slightly off, their coordinates skewed - and IG-88 modified the targeting mechanism, guaranteeing that the superlaser struck its intended victim each time."
In onther words, the targeting sensors were a little off (probably from being constructed in haste) and IG-88 compensated for it. Any relavent AI could have done the same job.
Desdinova wrote:Because, if you haven't realized it by now, this whole "Star Wars" thing is fiction...
Of those "Tales of the Bounty Hunters", the only one I thought worth a damn was Boba Fett's. I rather liked him as a brilliant psychopath.
I thought the point of that anthology was a bunch of crackpots sitting around a table and telling stories to each other (I have not read it, though, so I may be mistaken). If so, one would reasonably ask where the story came from in-universe if no one knew of it.
Um, no.
No? All right, then I was wrong. Was that another book, then, Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina perhaps? Or did I just misunderstand it altogether?
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Darth Fanboy wrote:Even the first Death Star, which couldn't fire off axis, was able to hit small obejcts and did so on its first attempt. I would think that the DS II should be just as accurate if not more so.
Not when they upscale the Superlaser in terms of power and precison/reliability. That is going to introduce a WHOLE lot of factors to test and address with regards to overall targeting. Surely you don't think that only targeting computers/software are relevant to accuracy?
-Sigh-. This is why we all hate Kevin J. Anderson.
Incidentally, as Star Wars ships do not have extensive automated internal defenses, couldn't the Stormtrooper contingent aboard simply have removed the computer core, even if this abomination of a scheme came to fruition?
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Fill me in; if the destruction of the DSII wiped IG-88 out for good, then how do we gain any kind of retrospective on his POV?
Why would we need one? The whole last section of the short story is IG-88 cackling to himself about how clever he is while ignoring the fighters zooming toward the reactor. He could as easily be in some sim program as anything else, which is giving him information on the battle without actually having him be in control of the DSII.
I find this more credible than the base assumption because for the story to work as intended a) we have to accept that Vader (who personally visited IG-88s little droid-topia without noticing a problem) is a fucking retard, b) we have to accept that the Imperials have terrible physical and computational security, and c) we have to accept that IG-88 was really firing the Death Star superlaser during RotJ.
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Connor MacLeod wrote:
Not when they upscale the Superlaser in terms of power and precison/reliability. That is going to introduce a WHOLE lot of factors to test and address with regards to overall targeting. Surely you don't think that only targeting computers/software are relevant to accuracy?
I don't think it's the only thing, but given that Palpatine's trap for the Rebel fleet was apparently designed with the intent to pick their capital ships off with the superlaser, I see no reason to believe that the gunnery crew operating the superlaser wasn't fully prepared to hit smaller targets. If they drilled as much as the crew for the original Death Star did then they had quite a bit of practice before firing the weapon the first time.
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Master_Baerne wrote:-Sigh-. This is why we all hate Kevin J. Anderson.
Incidentally, as Star Wars ships do not have extensive automated internal defenses, couldn't the Stormtrooper contingent aboard simply have removed the computer core, even if this abomination of a scheme came to fruition?
Pretty much the only thing IG-88 would be able to do Is lock the doors in front of them, then watch via the security cams as they proceed to blast through them
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Master_Baerne wrote:-Sigh-. This is why we all hate Kevin J. Anderson.
Incidentally, as Star Wars ships do not have extensive automated internal defenses,
Nitpick I know, but SOME Star Wars ships do (well, did). When Luke and Co try to salvage the Katana fleet in DFR, either him or Han complain about the Katana's NOT having the Star Galleon's internal defenses.
couldn't the Stormtrooper contingent aboard simply have removed the computer core, even if this abomination of a scheme came to fruition?
Pretty much the only thing IG-88 would be able to do Is lock the doors in front of them, then watch via the security cams as they proceed to blast through them
As said computer core was, as far as everybody knew, doing exactly what it SHOULD be doing, while I hate that story as much as everybody else, until somebody shows the Imperials NOTICED that Computer Core was tampered with, there was no REASON for them to take action in the firat place.
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Batman wrote:As said computer core was, as far as everybody knew, doing exactly what it SHOULD be doing, while I hate that story as much as everybody else, until somebody shows the Imperials NOTICED that Computer Core was tampered with, there was no REASON for them to take action in the firat place.
In the story didn't IG-88 fuck with the turbolift systems just to confound Palpatine? I remember some stupid throwaway line about some bullshit like that (anyone have their copy?)
