Pegasus vs Pegasus

[wautd]

The battlecruiser from Stargate vs the battlestar from neo-BSG. Who wins in a straight up match? Both ships have their FTL drives disabled and appear on the opposite side of the moon.


PS. I really havn't catched up with SG, so forgive me if this is a one sided match. As far as I know, SG has the strongest defence while BSG has the strongest offence

[Adrian McNair]

Uh, there is no Pegasus battlecruiser in Stargate. I presume you're referring to the Daedalus, which is the first production-line starship Earth has ever produced.

At any rate, Daedalus takes it. It can run rings around Pegasus with its superior maneuverability and as you said, it has superior defences. But it also has the edge in firepower. Its naquadah-enhanced nuclear ordinance (rated in the gigatonnes at the very least) will obliterate the Battlestar.

[Adrian McNair]

EDIT: I mean ordnance. Curse this lack of an edit function!

[wautd]

Uh, there is no Pegasus battlecruiser in Stargate. I presume you're referring to the Daedalus, which is the first production-line starship Earth has ever produced.

Really? I could have sworn the ship in the second movie was called Pegasus

[wautd]

Uh, there is no Pegasus battlecruiser in Stargate. I presume you're referring to the Daedalus, which is the first production-line starship Earth has ever produced.

Really? I could have sworn the ship in the second movie was called Pegasus

Nevermind, it's Daedalus-class. Pegasus was probably the name of the galaxy they were referring or someting

[Adrian McNair]

Nevermind, it's Daedalus-class. Pegasus was probably the name of the galaxy they were referring or someting

Yeah, it's the galaxy that the spin-off, Atlantis, is set in.

[Cecelia5578]

Stargate ships have shields, and as of the end of Season 10 SG-1, weapons a lot more powerful than their already potent nukes. SG easily has the edge.

[fusion]

This is what you are looking for :Derelict. A Stargate - nBSG crossover

Anyways, this is a fairly one sided match. First gigaton shielding is greater than the ability to withstand 50kt nukes. Second nBSG does not have FTL sensors. Third, Daedalus has pin-point FTL abilities. And lastly, naquadah-enhanced nuclear ordinance is the final nail in the coffin.

So Daedalus will win hands down.

[Venator]

Third, Daedalus has pin-point FTL abilities.

From what I've seen of BSG, their FTL is extremely accurate as well, but that's the only bone I'd pick.

Stargate takes this hands down, for the mentioned reasons.

[Batman]

From what I've seen Cylon FTL is though I fail to see how this is relevant as the OP states that both sides capship FTL drives have been rendered inoperable and if memory serves nBSGs Raptors aren't armed. At ALL. So their ability to pinpoint jump or not doesn't figure into it.
As has been pointed out before, SG has shields, a several orders of magnitude resilience if not firepower advantage, AND artificial gravity on the fighter level.
nBSG Galactica gets eaten.

[Minischoles]

From what I've seen Cylon FTL is though I fail to see how this is relevant as the OP states that both sides capship FTL drives have been rendered inoperable and if memory serves nBSGs Raptors aren't armed. At ALL. So their ability to pinpoint jump or not doesn't figure into it.
As has been pointed out before, SG has shields, a several orders of magnitude resilience if not firepower advantage, AND artificial gravity on the fighter level.
nBSG Galactica gets eaten.

Raptors are armed IIRC. Watch the S4 opener and you see Raptors going all out with rockets and firing weapons as every single ship and pilot was launched to comba thte Cylons.

As for the whole resilience thing, look at how many hits Galactica has been able to take. If an ancient battlestar can take nuke after nuke after nuke, Pegasus can probably take a huge pounding as well.

[Teleros]

By the standards of the nBSG universe, yes. Not by the standards of Stargate.

[ray245]

From what I've seen Cylon FTL is though I fail to see how this is relevant as the OP states that both sides capship FTL drives have been rendered inoperable and if memory serves nBSGs Raptors aren't armed. At ALL. So their ability to pinpoint jump or not doesn't figure into it.
As has been pointed out before, SG has shields, a several orders of magnitude resilience if not firepower advantage, AND artificial gravity on the fighter level.
nBSG Galactica gets eaten.

Raptors are armed IIRC. Watch the S4 opener and you see Raptors going all out with rockets and firing weapons as every single ship and pilot was launched to comba thte Cylons.

As for the whole resilience thing, look at how many hits Galactica has been able to take. If an ancient battlestar can take nuke after nuke after nuke, Pegasus can probably take a huge pounding as well.

That is the same as saying something that can survive a grenade blast can survive a nuke.

[Batman]

From what I've seen Cylon FTL is though I fail to see how this is relevant as the OP states that both sides capship FTL drives have been rendered inoperable and if memory serves nBSGs Raptors aren't armed. At ALL. So their ability to pinpoint jump or not doesn't figure into it.
As has been pointed out before, SG has shields, a several orders of magnitude resilience if not firepower advantage, AND artificial gravity on the fighter level.
nBSG Galactica gets eaten.

Raptors are armed IIRC. Watch the S4 opener and you see Raptors going all out with rockets and firing weapons as every single ship and pilot was launched to combat the Cylons.

I gladly shall, once it airs here. SOME of us are still waiting for S3 you know.
I nevertheless stand corrected on Raptors not being armed. So, CAN Raptors do pinpoint jumps the way the Cylons do? I honestly don't remember one way or the other.
And what, exactly, are they armed with?

As for the whole resilience thing, look at how many hits Galactica has been able to take. If an ancient battlestar can take nuke after nuke after nuke, Pegasus can probably take a huge pounding as well.

Um-I remember exactly one nuke hit from the first 2 seasons (by all means disregard if she gets regularly pounded past that and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and that one did noticeable if not significant damage. And that was a KT level warhead. Stargate firepower even for the Tau'ri is easily in the GT range. See ray245's comment.

[Venator]

I nevertheless stand corrected on Raptors not being armed. So, CAN Raptors do pinpoint jumps the way the Cylons do? I honestly don't remember one way or the other.

Neither can I; the one thing that I suppose could be taken as an indicator is when the Blackbird dropped in very close to the Resurrection Ship, which was in the middle of a hostile fleet.

Indirectly, the Galactica's capship drive repeatedly puts it in the middle of the civie fleet without jumping into another craft.

And what, exactly, are they armed with?

I've forgotten the episode, but at one point a Raptor delivered a nuke to a Base Star.

That's really only chance the Pegasus would have; drop nukes inside the launch bays of the SG ship before it came to alert.

The chances of them having such an opportunity, though, are pretty much nil.

[Minischoles]

Um-I remember exactly one nuke hit from the first 2 seasons (by all means disregard if she gets regularly pounded past that and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and that one did noticeable if not significant damage. And that was a KT level warhead. Stargate firepower even for the Tau'ri is easily in the GT range. See ray245's comment.

Well as far as i can remember, in the miniseries they get hit by a tactical nuke before jumping to Ragnar Anchorage, and well theres been a couple of other radiological alarms i remeber Gaeta saying during the series. She's been hit multiple times by more convential arms and missiles, and stood up to a battering by 4 Cylon Baseships (at least for a little while). She can take a lot of damage, maybe not as much as a SG ship can put out, but the battlestars are quite tough.

I nevertheless stand corrected on Raptors not being armed. So, CAN Raptors do pinpoint jumps the way the Cylons do? I honestly don't remember one way or the other.

Neither can I; the one thing that I suppose could be taken as an indicator is when the Blackbird dropped in very close to the Resurrection Ship, which was in the middle of a hostile fleet.

Indirectly, the Galactica's capship drive repeatedly puts it in the middle of the civie fleet without jumping into another craft.

And what, exactly, are they armed with?

I've forgotten the episode, but at one point a Raptor delivered a nuke to a Base Star.

That's really only chance the Pegasus would have; drop nukes inside the launch bays of the SG ship before it came to alert.

The chances of them having such an opportunity, though, are pretty much nil.

As far as i can remember without a major rewatch, they're capable of pretty much the same accuracy as Galactica, i seem to remember a very pinpoint jump during the Battle of New Caprica when they released the drones. Theres also the jumps back to Caprica (although admittedly done using a Cylon navigational thing with a Cylon using it)

As for the weapons, usually they operate purely as a mobile C&C so they don't operate as weapons platforms usually, but i remember seeing Rockets being fired and i believe a chain gun (similar to an apache type thing, i'm too hungover to remember it properly).

[Batman]

I nevertheless stand corrected on Raptors not being armed. So, CAN Raptors do pinpoint jumps the way the Cylons do? I honestly don't remember one way or the other.

Neither can I; the one thing that I suppose could be taken as an indicator is when the Blackbird dropped in very close to the Resurrection Ship, which was in the middle of a hostile fleet.
Indirectly, the Galactica's capship drive repeatedly puts it in the middle of the civie fleet without jumping into another craft.

Even with the relatively short distances between ships in a fleet depicted in nBSG, the chances of jumping into another ship are still asininely high number to one against. The vast majority of the volume the fleet occupies is STILL empty space. I wouldn't exactly call that 'precision'.

[Batman]

Um-I remember exactly one nuke hit from the first 2 seasons (by all means disregard if she gets regularly pounded past that and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and that one did noticeable if not significant damage. And that was a KT level warhead. Stargate firepower even for the Tau'ri is easily in the GT range. See ray245's comment.

Well as far as i can remember, in the miniseries they get hit by a tactical nuke before jumping to Ragnar Anchorage, and well theres been a couple of other radiological alarms i remeber Gaeta saying during the series.

Radiological alarm means nuke-armed Raiders, nothing more. It does NOT mean actual HITS by those Raider nukes. And as I said, that hit did noticeable damage. SG capship weapons have greater firepower by five orders of magnitude and likely more.

She's been hit multiple times by more convential arms and missiles, and stood up to a battering by 4 Cylon Baseships (at least for a little while). She can take a lot of damage, maybe not as much as a SG ship can put out, but the battlestars are quite tough.

By local standards, sure. We're talking five orders of magnitude differential in firepower and resilience in favour of SG here.

And what, exactly, are they armed with?

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As far as i can remember without a major rewatch, they're capable of pretty much the same accuracy as Galactica,[/quote]
which is so far pretty much undetermined beyond their ability to come out in empty space in a formation where 99.99999999999999999999+ percent of the formation IS empty space,

i seem to remember a very pinpoint jump during the Battle of New Caprica when they released the drones. Theres also the jumps back to Caprica (although admittedly done using a Cylon navigational thing with a Cylon using it)

and if memory serves, at least one of them DIDN'T come out where it was supposed to

As for the weapons, usually they operate purely as a mobile C&C so they don't operate as weapons platforms usually, but i remember seeing Rockets being fired and i believe a chain gun (similar to an apache type thing, i'm too hungover to remember it properly).

So basically even assuming pinpoint jump accuracy they're in a position to use chemical explosives and KE/explosive weapons, possibly tac nukes, against ships with GT level shielding. So far I'm not all that worried for the SG side.

[Batman]

Why oh why do the quote tags hate me so? Wandering mod, pretty please fix it, the usual.

[NeoGoomba]

Um-I remember exactly one nuke hit from the first 2 seasons (by all means disregard if she gets regularly pounded past that and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and that one did noticeable if not significant damage. And that was a KT level warhead. Stargate firepower even for the Tau'ri is easily in the GT range. See ray245's comment.

For what its worth, in "The Captain's Hand" Pegasus gets ambushed by the Cylons, who hit it with three nukes in rapid succession in addition to raping it with conventional missiles and Raider ordinance while Mr. McAllister gets the jump drive back online.