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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bi ... e=20080530
Renton recycling contestants go on "trash diet"

By Sharon Pian Chan

Seattle Times staff reporter

With an infant son and 3-year-old daughter, Baiba Rubino's household produces a lot of trash: 63 pounds last week, to be exact.

On Thursday, a county "garbologist" dumped the family's trash onto a tarp and picked through disposable diapers, cans of formula and a rotting crab leg before offering tips on how they could recycle more.

Rubino is starting a trash diet for a King County competition among six households to see who can produce the least garbage. She didn't recycle at all until February, when she left her job as an assistant buyer for Costco to take care of her children. Now she wants to figure out how to recycle more.

"There's a bit of a stigma attached to recycling that makes it daunting at times — this fear of doing it wrong or fear of failure of doing it," she said.

The fight against climate change has come down to scrutinizing the most mundane of tasks: taking out the trash.

Rubino wants to do right by the environment, but she also dreads the daily debate of where to put which piece of garbage
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Can the plastic blueberry container go in the recycling bin? No, she learned Thursday. Should she switch to diapers with flushable inserts? No, officials said, the county doesn't want them in the sewer system.

Each of the Renton families in the contest brought a week's worth of garbage to a "Biggest Loser" style weigh-in Thursday. The county will hold weekly weigh-ins over the next month and the winning family will receive a home recycling consultation from King County and $100 gift certificate to Ikea — with the hope that they will buy more recycling bins.

The contest comes as local governments are encouraging — and in some cases mandating — people to toss less.

Seattle, which ships its garbage to Oregon, already requires all residents to recycle — or risk a fine or have their garbage left at the curb. Next year, the city will require single-family homes to compost or sign up for food-scrap recycling. Next month, the City Council will consider charging a 20-cent fee on all paper and plastic grocery bags.

King County will spend $120,000 this year to promote recycling, in an effort to extend the life of the Cedar Hills landfill. Single-family homes in the county already are recycling 54 percent of their garbage. Still, of all the garbage collected in the county last year, half could have been recycled, county officials said.

The Summer Wind neighborhood of single-family homes in Renton is close to suburban utopia. Parents hold sidewalk happy hours while kids play in the cul-de-sac. They hold a barbecue for the Fourth of July. When residents are away, neighbors collect their mail.

On Thursday, King County garbologist Tom Watson (who occasionally writes for The Seattle Times) sifted through the Renton households' trash to see what could be recycled. He said the contestants already are doing a good job recycling cans, glass bottles and newspapers, but said they could probably reduce their trash by another 20 percent. One contestant, Karen Kawamoto, was out of town most of last week and had only a half-bag of garbage, 7 pounds, at the weigh-in.

Watson encouraged them to start recycling food scraps by keeping a container by the sink lined with a compostable bag and dumping it into their yard-waste bins.

Rubino said she and her reluctant husband "absolutely" could reduce their garbage by 20 percent.

Carrie Gesell, a neighbor whose trash weighed 17 pounds, says she and her husband will try.

"I'm not really an environmentalist and I don't have a fear about global warming," said Gesell, who has three young children. "I come from the Christian perspective where I'm just interested in respecting God's creation in the best way I can and passing that on to my children and the next generation."

Rob Nichols, whose trash weighed in at 31 pounds, calls himself a recycling skeptic, even though he recycles bottles, cans and newspapers, and composts food scraps in his backyard with yard waste.

"I'm the one being dragged in" by two teenage sons and his wife, he said. "I see the environmental value, but I question the economic value." He called the compost he generates in the yard a "novelty."

At the weigh-in, Watson pulled a pair of flip-flops out of Nichols' trash and suggested he donate them to a thrift shop instead. An empty tissue box could also be recycled, and some food scraps and food-soiled paper could go into the yard-waste bin.

Nichols asked about the cat litter. That should go in the garbage, officials said. Double-bagged.
I bolded the comments that blew my mind. What kind of person gets "stressed" at the concept of putting glass, aluminum, and paper in the recycling bin? If anything, my wife and I probably throw stuff in the recycling bin that doesn't belong there. Who cares? The folks at Waste Management sort through it all anyway, and they'll throw out things they can't recycle.

The christian lady who doesn't believe in global warming doesn't surprise me, but it's interesting to see how different her attitude is today from how christians thought only a few years ago. Where once the christian conservative attitude was "god gave this plane to me to do with as I like," now its more environmentalist, even if they don't realize it.
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At my apartment, there is a large garbage compacter, but there is also another recyclable material container with 2 sections. One is for glass/aluminum and the like and the other is for paper waste. There is a third, smaller container for cardboard. Most of the people here seem to use the proper containers, but there's always a few jackasses who dump everything in the garbage compactor.

We keep a large plastic bin on our back porch for cans and bottles and I haul that over about 2 times a month. We box up paper waste and it goes over on about the same schedule. It couldn't be easier.
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How fucking difficult can it be to put recyclable materials in a separate garbage can?

Shit, it's -really- easy here in Madison. They've even given us RFID-chip equipped wheeled, color-coated bins, one for garbage, one for recyclables. These bins are picked up and dumped by a robot arm on our garbage trucks.

Hell, they even included a colorful, large-print, easy-to-read instruction booklet when they started issuing these bins, giving you about the most plain-english instructions in using these bins as can be imagined - including recycling.
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You lucky you don't live here :)

My county only offers 4 different bins (paper, bio garbage, recycable plastics/"yellow bag", normal garbage). But friends of me have to manually seperate it very finely, down to the form and materials.

So how a person can get stressed by just one additional trash bin...
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SancheztheWhaler wrote: The christian lady who doesn't believe in global warming doesn't surprise me, but it's interesting to see how different her attitude is today from how christians thought only a few years ago. Where once the christian conservative attitude was "god gave this plane to me to do with as I like," now its more environmentalist, even if they don't realize it.
Actually, many Christians have been acting that way for a long time, and also the Anne Coulter "rape the world, it's yours," view still persists among large swathes of the Christian right in America (usually 700 club watchers). The more traditionalist European churches tend to be more environmentalist, upstart american fundamentalists and evangelicals tend to be less so, but it's by no means a sure (or new) thing.
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KlavoHunter wrote:How fucking difficult can it be to put recyclable materials in a separate garbage can?
I don't think the separate bin is the problem. For me the annoyance is keeping everything separated in my house (townhouse, no garage). It's not too much of an issue if I stay away from getting stuff with aluminum cans.

Having grown up in a place that had 5¢ deposit on cans and bottles it annoys me that Arizona doesn't do that too. Yes it sucked being a retailer and having to deal with all the returns but it was so much better than counting on this recycling crap because there isn't enough incentive to do it here.

You can collect a bunch of aluminum cans, smash them down and take them to the recyclers and get a few bucks per pound or such but a deposit would work much better.

On a related note. Back when I used to change the oil on my truck myself one of the places I could dispose of the old stuff was the county hazardous waste disposal station. (It's right next door to where I have to get the emissions on my truck checked each year. :) ) Besides old motor oil they also take anti-freeze and your old batteries. Their hours kind of suck so it was another reason to just have the oil changed and radiator flushed at a shop that will just charge me the disposal fee.

I think that enviromentaly one of the biggest improvements over the years has been the proper disposal and recycling of things from cars. Oil, tires, batteries, anti-freeze, etc... Not to mention people not being allowed to use freon to degrease engine parts anymore. :)
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Tsyroc wrote:I don't think the separate bin is the problem. For me the annoyance is keeping everything separated in my house (townhouse, no garage). It's not too much of an issue if I stay away from getting stuff with aluminum cans.
We don't have a garage either so we keep our waste paper in a small bin in the kitchen next to the fridge. And as I said before, aluminum, glass, etc stay in a plastic bin (with a lid) out back on the patio. It also helps to try to crush everything as much as possible. We drink more than enough soda (I'm a Cherry Coca~Cola drinker; she loves her Pepsi), so I stomp cans all the time. Same goes for plastic juice bottles and such.
I think that enviromentaly one of the biggest improvements over the years has been the proper disposal and recycling of things from cars. Oil, tires, batteries, anti-freeze, etc... Not to mention people not being allowed to use freon to degrease engine parts anymore. :)
I remember years and years ago (early 80s) when my father would occasionally change the oil in his car (when it was still relatively easy to do so!) and pour the oil on the ground way at the top of the yard. Stupid, yes, but he just didn't think about those things back then. More recently, one of my less than environmentally sensible uncles wanted to do the same when I was helping change the oil in his lawnmower and I said, "Uh, that's illegal." So I just took the oil to a gas station that collects it.
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Recycling and composting came in handy during Vancouver's last garbage strike. Even after 13 weeks, we didn't over flow our single garbage can, though it was packed pretty damn tight.
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Dahak wrote:You lucky you don't live here :)

My county only offers 4 different bins (paper, bio garbage, recycable plastics/"yellow bag", normal garbage). But friends of me have to manually seperate it very finely, down to the form and materials.

So how a person can get stressed by just one additional trash bin...
Same here, albeit with different categories (paper, glass, plastics, batteries, normal garbage), and a really big annoyance which actually makes me recycle much less then I would like ideally - namely, the bins for the plastics and paper only have cutout holes in the shape of a bottle or paper, respectively - which becomes a big problem when I have bulk trash of the type and am then supposed to spend 5+ minutes dropping it in piece by piece. Even better, the recycle bins are only available outside on the street, and not in the communal trash bins in buildings, thus meaning that you have to get fully dressed to take out the recyclable garbage compared to the regular one (especially fun in the winter when its snowing). So a lot of the time, I just put the recyclebles into the regular trash and feel guilty about it. The idiotic thing is that I can't figure out the logic of not allowing bulk dumping in the recycle bins - almost everyone I talked to does the same as me and would recycle so much more if it were only a bit more practical. They still can't just directly recycle without sorting the stuff that is dumped into the bins since you can, obviously, still shove who knows what into the bins, so they still have to sort it, so why limit and annoy people with the limiting cutout shapes?

Well, at least the deposit system for glass and plastic bottles works pretty well, with plenty of depositing stations at retailers.
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Zuul wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote: The christian lady who doesn't believe in global warming doesn't surprise me, but it's interesting to see how different her attitude is today from how christians thought only a few years ago. Where once the christian conservative attitude was "god gave this plane to me to do with as I like," now its more environmentalist, even if they don't realize it.
Actually, many Christians have been acting that way for a long time, and also the Anne Coulter "rape the world, it's yours," view still persists among large swathes of the Christian right in America (usually 700 club watchers). The more traditionalist European churches tend to be more environmentalist, upstart american fundamentalists and evangelicals tend to be less so, but it's by no means a sure (or new) thing.
Funny that in bible it says that God will "ruin those ruining the earth". I'm not disagreeing with you just that then again how many Christians actually follow the bible?

Our family recycles but not composting, but soon the city will introduce another recycling box for organic material. But where my wife lives in Painesville, there is no recycling whatsoever and at times I find it startling to have to chuck stuff that is normally would be recycled instead ending up in the trash.
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FSTargetDrone wrote: We don't have a garage either so we keep our waste paper in a small bin in the kitchen next to the fridge. And as I said before, aluminum, glass, etc stay in a plastic bin (with a lid) out back on the patio. It also helps to try to crush everything as much as possible. We drink more than enough soda (I'm a Cherry Coca~Cola drinker; she loves her Pepsi), so I stomp cans all the time. Same goes for plastic juice bottles and such.

I remember years and years ago (early 80s) when my father would occasionally change the oil in his car (when it was still relatively easy to do so!) and pour the oil on the ground way at the top of the yard. Stupid, yes, but he just didn't think about those things back then. More recently, one of my less than environmentally sensible uncles wanted to do the same when I was helping change the oil in his lawnmower and I said, "Uh, that's illegal." So I just took the oil to a gas station that collects it.
The bulk of the recycling I do is cardboard. From all the boxes I get by ordering stuff online all the time. I mostly let it pile up and then on recycling day the bins are closer to my house so I break the boxes down and put them in the bins.

A lot of garages around here will take used motor oil. I think places like Auto Zone and Checker will take it even if they don't have a garage attached with the business.

Back in the 90s my grandfather flushed the radiator of his car in his drive way. One of the neighbors called the cops on him and the fire department had to come out with their environmental team to clean this trickle of antifreeze that was barely running down into the street. I don't know if he got fined but he had to pay for the fire department coming out.
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