"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source)
- PeZookThese are big radar's that see over the horizon and were designed as noted for ICBM detection. They are of course damn useless for most other things unless backed up by plenty of process software due to the number of planes flying around generating returns. Not to mention deliberate attempts by UAR or the Mess to generate false returns or simply in the normal day to day affairs of training. Wikionia and Shepnukstain alone can generate enough false returns to make detection of an acutal attack impossible due to the ranges involved. For example Sheppard SAC planes would be doing racetracks over his land and water areas. Every day for hours at a time for weeks on end. If not 24 hours a day, 7 days a week 365 days a year, at least 100 days a year. And because of that, knowing Sheppard the first clue he would have is the fact the planes did not make a left as noted. However match that to civilian aircraft travel and the ranges involved and the missiles would already be in the air before they know what's happening.Tulelake OTH-BOTH-B radar was developed to detect approaching Soviet bombers and cruise missiles while they were still thousands of miles out over the Pacific Ocean. However, the west coast facility was never put into operation because the Cold War ended just as it was being brought on line. A simliar facility in Maine was built prior to this one and had been operational for several years.
Following the Cold War, the east coast facility was used by NOAAH to monitor weather and sea conditions in the Atlantic Ocean, and it was also used to monitor air and marine traffic as an aid to drug interdiction. However, the cost to operate the facility was quite high, and it was eventually shut down.
yes, however since Hughes Kaiser pulled out, it's going to be a conventional airport/seaport, with some airship capability, and a factory from Norse motors to build civilian vehicles, and to provide repair, rearment and replacement for my central seas Templar II GEV fleet. (the Templar IIs are made out of aircraft grade aluminum, carry a 30mm automatic gun, a .50cal remote gun, and have 4 hard points on the two stabilizer wings (keeps the GEV level during highspeeds and or rough seas) You will probably be able to get your own Templar II GEVS out of that deal)DarthShady wrote:Bear, i don't mind your guys being there, just as long as they don't cause any major problems.
And Bear, are you still building that base/factory thing in my country?
Did you even bother to read what you cited?Mr Bean wrote:These are big radar's that see over the horizon and were designed as noted for ICBM detection.
Which, of course, is why I spent a couple years in-game developing this, especially the signals processing elements and this ties into the rest of my heavy investment into air/missile defense. I would've been well within my rights to just handwave it in (since it's pre-existing technology) but I took the long view (also have to account for local ionosphere conditions)They are of course damn useless for most other things unless backed up by plenty of process software due to the number of planes flying around generating returns. Not to mention deliberate attempts by UAR or the Mess to generate false returns or simply in the normal day to day affairs of training. Wikionia and Shepnukstain alone can generate enough false returns to make detection of an actual attack impossible due to the ranges involved. For example Sheppard SAC planes would be doing racetracks over his land and water areas. Every day for hours at a time for weeks on end. If not 24 hours a day, 7 days a week 365 days a year, at least 100 days a year. And because of that, knowing Sheppard the first clue he would have is the fact the planes did not make a left as noted. However match that to civilian aircraft travel and the ranges involved and the missiles would already be in the air before they know what's happening.
Nothern Wilkonia is within the minimum range, anyways.Same thing via Wikonia. The ranges on this world are simply to short to make earily warning radar that useful... EXCEPT against ICBM's.... except no one bothers to use ICBM because again.
Tell that to Australia, who just built JORN.So much of the initial force structor and design of this world was based off NATO and Warsaw thinking excepting.... except, the ranges are to short for those sorts of things to work. People have adjusted since then but this is a good example of highly useful old world technology that's mostly useless here.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. I didn't even post the specifications of the radar in the in-character thread and nobody has raised a fuss over the much older OTH-B development post and now that I do post something in the OOC thread there's suddenly interest?BAM and Kontos Munitions commissioned to design a radar detection network for use in Byzantium and Shroomania.
But if I give away all my secrets, you might not make a mistake and make it easier for the UAR to nuke youSome of us here aren't too familiar with radar systems but are OTH-B systems the best ones to use for detection or should we pair them with other systems like phased array systems?
Yes, they are big honking radar designed to detect incoming threats, except as noted, we have a very small world. It's a useful system when you have hundreds of miles of open ocean rather than less than a hundred. Of nations in the world you have one of the largest area of open ocean, but still its less than fifty miles worth. It's a huge amount of overkill, and that's my point.phongn wrote:
Did you even bother to read what you cited?
Which I commend you for, good job Phong, your scientists should be proud of a system able to detect and classify over a thousand separate sources(Civilian traffic is roughly 14-80 planes per country in the air at one time per country since so many of us are first world), plus military flights plus civilians because so many countries are first world you can be sure there's tons of little Cessna's running around joyriding. What I meant by my comments is to demonstrate the shear scale of how many planes your average first world country has, then add in civilian planes, now add in the fact there are twenty odd first world countries and over ten European sized countries.phongn wrote:
Which, of course, is why I spent a couple years in-game developing this, especially the signals processing elements and this ties into the rest of my heavy investment into air/missile defense. I would've been well within my rights to just handwave it in (since it's pre-existing technology) but I took the long view (also have to account for local ionosphere conditions)
Assuming you fire from the northern side of your country and said ICBM's would bbe weak to being hit in the boost phase.phongn wrote:
Nothern Wilkonia is within the minimum range, anyways.
And Austrailia has hundreds of miles of open ocean to look in.phongn wrote:
Tell that to Australia, who just built JORN.
Eh? I was interested in beefing up my air defences for a long time and I have no idea how to do it. Some of us here happened to be in countries with no sophisticated air defence network for us to look at and emulate.phongn wrote:You see, this is what I'm talking about. I didn't even post the specifications of the radar in the in-character thread and nobody has raised a fuss over the much older OTH-B development post and now that I do post something in the OOC thread there's suddenly interest?
It looks very much like you're using OOC knowledge to perform IC actions and people seriously have to ask why there's so much secrecy in the game?
Ok, I'm confused. What?But if I give away all my secrets, you might not make a mistake and make it easier for the UAR to nuke you
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZookWell, yes, it's overkill. But it also provides warning of second-wave attacks and whatnot - for example, if it were just Wilkonia vs. IRT, no, it doesn't really matter, but I'd have to worry about large air-raids coming in from the rest of them (or, for example, if FUN decided to throw down). This was never intended for monitoring single nations. Seriously - I did put thought into this instead of just thinking "ooh! gigantic range!"Mr Bean wrote:Of nations in the world you have one of the largest area of open ocean, but still its less than fifty miles worth. It's a huge amount of overkill, and that's my point.
Is that any different from what an integrated air-defense system has to do anyways, or what the FAA does every day? Yes, it's extremely hard, I know that.What I meant by my comments is to demonstrate the shear scale of how many planes your average first world country has, then add in civilian planes, now add in the fact there are twenty odd first world countries and over ten European sized countries.
I was referring to air attack in this instance.phongn wrote:Assuming you fire from the northern side of your country and said ICBM's would bbe weak to being hit in the boost phase.
I'm not just worried about them, you know.Again it's the scale I'm pointing at that makes such a system useless for early warning. Sheppard need lever leave his airspace to open up on your country. Nor does Wikionia.
I'd like to have warning if lots of missiles are coming in, thoughHell Saddamstian does not even need to leave his airspace to launch cruise missiles to the IRT...
Right, but my positioning is fairly unique (and that of Alexandria) which makes this a more reasonable proposition. I'd rather not have first knowledge of an incoming missile attack when they cross my radar horizon, after allMr Bean wrote:We have a very small world, early waring radar's only useful if the enemy not already on your doorstep.
Well, they came to mind firstphongn wrote:Tonkin International Mining?Raj Ahten wrote:Well Indopal has big gold and copper deposits, and I am now looking or partners to help develop the resources!
I want to wait and see if anyone else wants to try, though Tonkin likely ocntrols most of the market and can give Indhopal the best deal.Build a tower then, 22 mile horizon is only true if it's on ground level. Both Beowulf and I have nice big mountains to build Radar's atop to make those ranges thirty, forty or even fifty miles. Or just get by with the occasional E-3. An AWACS system can see a good 200 miles.phongn wrote:Right, but my positioning is fairly unique (and that of Alexandria) which makes this a more reasonable proposition. I'd rather not have first knowledge of an incoming missile attack when they cross my radar horizon, after allMr Bean wrote:We have a very small world, early waring radar's only useful if the enemy not already on your doorstep.
Right, I do have E-767s flying around plus I'm considering building large radar airships for high-altitude, high-endurance patrol. And, of course, mountaintop radars, but those only go so far.Mr Bean wrote:Note again, all these are alternatives for everyone else, as noted, OTB only makes sense for you because of your position, I'm not going to call on you to tear down this radar(rf) but instead say, you do have other options. Radar's on large sticks, airborne radar's. And of course the fleet.
"DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source) - PeZookWell, I was considering out in the Open Sea, but it was much more fun to tweak everyone's noses. Plus, the water is nice and calm in the Central Sea, which is useful for testing. Besides, nobody actually got hurt, eh? And your companies are probably unhappy about the loss of trade. All you had to do was just produce a bunch of formal protests and noises instead of moving to the far more severe retaliation of a complete trade embargo.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Shroomania is investing in stratellites - high altitude airships with communications and sensor equipment. We COULD sell 'em to you, but you HAD to blow that nuke up in the Central Sea to piss off the FUN
Hey man, that was YOUR choice to cut off trade with the UAR! No whining!*sighs* I wish relations would normalize with Shepnukistan again. We have these containers full of gay porno, with no one to deliver them too
The LSR is build three, count 'em, three under the name Large Perimeter Acquisition Radars.Mr Bean wrote:Phong might have posted what OTB was to those who don't know
Hmmm...I had actually assumed they were one and the same, my bad. The PARs would be eventually tied into a ABM system, right now they'll just be giving early warning.phongn wrote: I thought those were just conventional large radars like the ones used for BMEWS?
