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DNC gives, FL/MI delegates 1/2 vote (Obama Gets 47% of MI)

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Well, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee is meeting today and I happened to catch the highlight. The committee just voted to restore Florida's delegates at 50% unanimously (adds 19 net votes to Clinton). Michigan's delegates also get 50% of a vote and give 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Obama (so 5 net votes more for Clinton). That vote was more controversial, 19-8 rather than unanimous. (Clinton's cronies on the committee wanted more from Michigan.) I'd say it's a suitable compromise given the circumstances.

There was also a motion to have Florida be seated at 100% rather than 50% that just barely failed. It seemed to be a face-saving gesture to Clinton's camp on the committee, because they immediately went to the 50% vote afterwards (which passed unanimously).

I caught a few snippets during the course of the day. I must say this has been a rather disgraceful affair with regards to the spectators. They've been cheering and hissing throughout the day. If I were the chair of that committee, I'd have kicked them all out hours ago. The only high point is that they're mostly Hillary supporters, which provides a nice counterpoint to the next time someone argues that Obama's supporters are all a bunch of fanatics. One of the committee members (a Clinton supporter nonetheless) actually got in an argument with a spectator after the failure of the 100% FL vote. The Clinton committee woman was speaking, saying that 50% for Florida was a compromise everyone should agree with. Someone from the crowd shouted out something to the effect "they're stealing my vote" and the committee person started talking back to them, saying this is the best compromise available. I will say she did a great job dealing with the crowd, effectively telling them to grow up and act like adults. Didn't seem to help though; after the Florida 50% compromise passed, Clinton supporters stood up and started shouting "Denver".

Oh, and Harold Ickes just said he'd vote against the Michigan compromise and that Clinton reserves the right to take this to the Credentials committee. At which point, the crowd started shouting "Denver" again. :roll:

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WASHINGTON - Democratic party officials said a party committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates Saturday after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.

The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would give Clinton 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver later this summer, according to the deal.

They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.
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Earlier in the day, Clinton trailed Obama by about 200 delegates in a tally by The Associated Press, and her supporters pressed the convention panel to award her as many delegates as possible from the two disputed states. Aides also cautioned she might not accept the committee's word as final, raising the prospect of a disruptive dispute at the convention in August.

"Your actions today will put our party on a course of unity," Howard Dean, the party chairman, told members of the committee gathered at a hotel a few miles from the White House.

Moving toward unity?
There was no doubt that was the goal around the committee table and in the private conversations where compromises were floated — but that didn't make compromise any easier as a historic Democratic nominating contest between a black man and a woman neared an end. And the occasional displays of emotion among spectators at the meeting underscored the stakes.

"In life you don't get everything you want. I want it all," Florida state Sen. Arthenia Joyner said with a smile as she advanced a plan that would give Clinton 105 delegates from her state, to 67 for Obama.

Rep. Robert Wexler was no less emphatic in countering for Obama. He proposed that each Florida delegate receive a half-vote — effectively cutting the impact of Joyner's plan in half. He described his own proposal as an "extraordinary concession in order to promote reconciliation with Florida's voters," but when he made it, boos from Clinton supporters competed with cheers from the Obama backers inside the room.

If anything, the Michigan case was more complicated than the one in Florida. Clinton's name was on the ballot, but Obama's was not. The former first lady gained 55 percent of the vote to 40 percent for "uncommitted," with many of whose votes presumed to have been cast in support of Obama.

Obama camp offers to reinstate half of Fla. delegates
May 31: Florida Rep. Robert Wexler, speaks on behalf of the Obama campaign, offers to allow half of Florida's delegates to be reinstated, to help rebuild party unity.

Mark Brewer, the state party chairman, urged the panel to award Clinton 69 delegates and Obama 59 — an allocation that neither candidate has endorsed publicly.

Not long afterward, former Rep. David Bonior of Michigan, speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign, said the delegates "should be split evenly between the two candidates." Clinton supporters booed at that.

But former Gov. Jim Blanchard, representing Clinton, said the former first lady should receive 73 delegates, with 55 awarded to uncommitted, in accordance with the primary vote. "Respect the voters of our great state. They deserve respect," he said.

Private meetings
Committee members met privately at dinner Friday and again during a lunch break from the hearing, and officials said numerous compromise proposals have been discussed and shared with the two campaigns.

All of them would allow the former first lady to draw closer to her rival without threatening his hold on the nomination.

Several hundred protesters maintained a noisy but peaceful presence on the sidewalk outside the hotel where party activists met.

Beverly Battelle Weeks, 56, said she got up before dawn to make the drive from Richmond, Va., for the rally. She carried a black umbrella on which she had pasted letters spelling out "Count All Votes."

"The right thing to do is to seat all the delegates. Anything less is not democratic," she said.

Coming together
Obama is a mere 42 delegates short of the 2,026 needed to clinch the nomination in the Associated Press tally, and appears on track to wrap up the party prize in the coming days. He intends to signal the beginning of his general election campaign next Tuesday by holding a rally in the arena in St. Paul, Minn., where Republicans are staging their convention this summer.

"We're going to come together," he said at a town hall meeting in Rapid City. He praised Clinton's spirited challenge and said, "She is going to be working on behalf of the Democratic party."

Clinton campaigned in Puerto Rico in search of a big win in Sunday's primary, with 55 delegates at stake.
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The disputed delegates included 211 from Florida, 185 who would have been elected if the primary had counted, and an additional 26 superdelegates, who are party leaders.

For Michigan, the breakdown was 128 delegates who would have been elected if the primary had counted and an additional 29 superdelegates.

"We have suffered horribly," said Jon Ausman, a Democratic National Committee member from Florida. He recommended that the rules committee give all his state's superdelegates a full vote at the convention and grant one-half vote to the rest.

Moments later, Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, a Clinton supporter, urged a full vote for all 211 of the state's delegates. He said nearly two million Democrats voted in the disputed primary, adding that they "violated no rule. Yet they are the ones who would be unfairly punished. And they do not deserve punishment."

At the same time, he seemed to say he supported Ausman's proposal for something less than his own proposal.
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Officials say Fla., Mich. delegates will get half-votes

By NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 3 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through.
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Clinton's chief delegate hunter Harold Ickes angrily informed the committee that Clinton had instructed him to reserve her right to appeal the matter to the Democrats' credentials committee, which could potentially drag the matter to the party's convention in August.

"There's been a lot of talk about party unity — let's all come together, and put our arms around each other," said Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee that approved the deal. "I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, hijacking four delegates ... is not a good way to start down the path of party unity."

The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot.

Clinton's camp insisted Obama shouldn't get any pledged delegates in Michigan since he chose not to put his name on the ballot, and she should get 73 pledged delegates with 55 uncommitted. Obama's team insisted the only fair solution was to split the pledged delegates in half between the two campaigns, with 64 each.

The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal.

They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.

The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

Proponents of full seating continuously interrupted the committee members as they explained their support of the compromise, then supporters of the deal shouted back.

"Shut up!" one woman shouted at another.

"You shut up!" the second woman shouted back.

Jim Roosevelt, co-chair of the committee, tried repeatedly to gavel it to order. "You are dishonoring your candidate when you disrupt the speakers," he chided.

Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5.

A proposal favored by Clinton that would have fully seated the Florida delegation fully in accordance with the January primary went down with 12 votes in support and 15 against.

Tina Fluornoy, who led Clinton's efforts to seat both states' delegations with full voting power, said she was disappointed by the outcome but knew the Clinton position had "no chance" of passing the committee.

"I understand the rules. ... I can tell you one thing that has driven these rules was being a party of inclusion," Fluornoy said. "I wish my colleagues will vote differently."

The committee unanimously approved a measure supported by the Obama campaign that sat the delegates according to Clinton's winning vote in the Florida contest, but penalized the delegation by allowing each only half a vote.

"We just blew the election!" a woman in the audience shouted. The crowd was divided between cheering Obama supporters and booing Clinton supporters.

"This isn't unity! Count all the votes!" another audience member yelled.

Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise was the next best thing to full seating.

"We will leave here more united than we came," she said.

Some audience members heckled her in response. "Lipstick on a pig!" one shouted.
Tough shit, Clinton. Obama removed himself from the MI ballot because they broke the fucking rules.
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Shit. Beaten to the punch. Would a mod kindly delete this, please?
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Darth Yoshi wrote:Shit. Beaten to the punch. Would a mod kindly delete this, please?
Nope, MEERRRRGEEED

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*shrugs* Works for me. Thanks, Bean.
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Why do the Clinton supporters care anymore? Seriously?

Before this happened, Clinton would need to win 85% of the remaining pledged and superdelegates. Giving her another 20 means she'll have to win about 82% to win.

Does she seriously think either one is even remotely plausible when she's down 10% in the polls?
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We only lock topics when one side posts hours later or posts "without comment" which is of course worthless.

OAN, thread title fixed. And he did pretty well getting 47% of Michigan's delegates.

This of course means that come Tuesday assuming he gets a third of all delegates in Puerto Rico (18) plus half of Montana and South Dakota(16) that nets him 34 delegates and Leaves him less than 30 from victory on Tuesday.
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Obama's camp gave Clinton a lot and really were open to compromise. Clinton's camp was definitely not. Ickies (Clinton campaign strategist, Clinton Supporter and committee member) made sure to point out that Clinton reserves the right to take this to the convention. Plus all of her supporters in the crowd were completely out of hand and rude.
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Hey assholes, Obama took his name off the ballot because he honored an agreement that Hillary herself made and broke, to take their names off the fucking ballot. Obama should not be penalized for following party rules, Hillary should be punished for breaking them.
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Irony of the day:

Ickles was one of the ones who voted to strip Michigan and Florida of their votes.

Also remember that Michigan moved it's date forward after Florida was disqualified for the same thing. Yes, Michigan purposefully played chicken with the rules. They should all worship the boots of those who were supporting Obama or just non-Soviet elections for being so kind and generous.
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No really. Why does it matter?

Does anyone really think Clinton is going to storm ahead with 80 some percent of the remaining free delegates?
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:No really. Why does it matter?

Does anyone really think Clinton is going to storm ahead with 80 some percent of the remaining free delegates?
The funny thing is, lets look at the math.

BEFORE
1983(43 Left) Obama 1782(244 Left) Clinton
2,026 to win

After 2,118 to win, Obama 65 left, but 221 Clinton.

So yes she gained twenty votes, and that's only because Obama did not get Kucinich's votes even if he did get Edwards votes(So MSNC says he will out of Florida)

And had things been split 50/50 as it should have been in Michgan, you would have seen today be a net win for Hillary by... maybe two delegates. So it would have been 45 to win but the new number is 2118 instead of 2,026.

Three days left people, three days until we know the truth of things. Three days for that super-delegate flood. Any day now.

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If the remaining superdelegates don't make up their goddamned minds by the end of next week, then I'll be really irritated. This should not go all the way until August - it should be ended next week.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:Why do the Clinton supporters care anymore? Seriously?
Because they're either bound and determined to vote for someone with ovaries or they "don't want no goddamned cotton-pickin' nigger to win", that's why.
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SirNitram wrote:Ickles was one of the ones who voted to strip Michigan and Florida of their votes.
I happened to be scooting by (I don't watch this kind of bullshit start to finish as it bores me, I just tune in for the highlights later) when Ickes was addressing his bullshit complaints to Robert Wexler, Obama's rep on the Florida issue. It was awesome, Wexler pretty much mocked him and humiliated him.
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To be honest, these threads on the forum are my way of keeping current on this (that, and watching The Daily Show). I can't understand how someone can actually muster the will to park himself in front of the TV and watch the news channel talking heads endlessly blowing hot air and interviewing each other about this demented shambling stumble toward a foregone conclusion.
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Darth Wong wrote:To be honest, these threads on the forum are my way of keeping current on this (that, and watching The Daily Show). I can't understand how someone can actually muster the will to park himself in front of the TV and watch the news channel talking heads endlessly blowing hot air and interviewing each other about this demented shambling stumble toward a foregone conclusion.
Watching MSBC's coverage is highly entertainingly if you catch them at the right moment. Why? Because you have the world greatest mygonists in Cable TV(Chris Mathews) next to heir of Edward R Murrow(Keith Olbermann) which is fun enough in and of it self as Keith visibly restrains himself from verbally beating up on his fellow co-host.

Toss in the fun when they bring out their pannel, the Amazingly bland Blackman(And Woman!) WhityMcWhiteface, that other chick and of course the real drawl, Pat Buchanan and Rachel Maddow. It's like a Modern Abbot and Costello routine except it's live.

So yes, the coverage(Minus when the other addon's are talking) is not only useful but nearly as amusing as the Daily Show at times. Nothing says fun like people who are on the air for five hours in a row and don't like each other AND hold highly opposite viewpoints. It's even better since Pat Buchanan is an old school republic who tries to use these things called "logic" and "reason" from time to time and Rachael will go after him whenever he tries to revert to even the semblance of a talking poiint.


So there you have it, walking coverage is kinda of like watching NASCAR. You don't watch it for the racing, you watch it for the crashes. Or in MSNBC's case, Mathews crazy comments and the flare-ups between Rachel Maddow and Pat Buchanan.

Which is why I only watch coverage on a two hour delay, so via the science of TiVo, I can fast forward through all the boring bits and slow to listen in on the parts where the wreckage starts flying(metaphorically)

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Jesus Christ, this fucking woman just doesn't know how to take a hint. She reserves the right to take this to the convention? What, like all the supers are going to defect en masse to her?

At this point, it's not even worth comparing net gain in delegates. Obama's close enough that any net gains Hillary makes in remaining contests will be irrelevant. He's 66 delegates away from the nomination. Even being generous and saying that South Dakota and Montana will split even (they won't), Obama will pick up about 15 pledged delegates. So he'll need 51 delegates at that point.

Puerto Rico has 63 total delegates, and Obama's polling at about 38%. So he'll pick up about 24 pledged delegates there. That puts him 27 delegates away from the nomination. There are about 200 uncommitted super delegates, which means that he only needs about 13% of the remaining supers to go for him. Even if Clinton manages to convince 80% of the remaining supers that she's the One True Candidates, she still loses.
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Durandal wrote:Jesus Christ, this fucking woman just doesn't know how to take a hint. She reserves the right to take this to the convention? What, like all the supers are going to defect en masse to her?

At this point, it's not even worth comparing net gain in delegates. Obama's close enough that any net gains Hillary makes in remaining contests will be irrelevant. He's 66 delegates away from the nomination. Even being generous and saying that South Dakota and Montana will split even (they won't), Obama will pick up about 15 pledged delegates. So he'll need 51 delegates at that point.

Puerto Rico has 63 total delegates, and Obama's polling at about 38%. So he'll pick up about 24 pledged delegates there. That puts him 27 delegates away from the nomination. There are about 200 uncommitted super delegates, which means that he only needs about 13% of the remaining supers to go for him. Even if Clinton manages to convince 80% of the remaining supers that she's the One True Candidates, she still loses.
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Mr Bean wrote: Watching MSBC's coverage is highly entertainingly if you catch them at the right moment. Why? Because you have the world greatest mygonists in Cable TV(Chris Mathews)
Really? I got pissed out of my mind when I was watching the commentary on Obama's win in Iowa. He kept saying idiotic, racist, and sexist things along the lines of "What can we take away from today? Clearly, America is more open to a black president than a woman president."

The sheer racism on CNN regarding this election is incredible.
next to heir of Edward R Murrow(Keith Olbermann) which is fun enough in and of it self as Keith visibly restrains himself from verbally beating up on his fellow co-host.
Heard good things about him. I personally like CNN's election coverage. I know it's shallow and stupid, but I think its fun to see what new low Clinton is stooping to.
Toss in the fun when they bring out their pannel, the Amazingly bland Blackman(And Woman!) WhityMcWhiteface, that other chick and of course the real drawl, Pat Buchanan and Rachel Maddow. It's like a Modern Abbot and Costello routine except it's live.
Meet the press?
So yes, the coverage(Minus when the other addon's are talking) is not only useful but nearly as amusing as the Daily Show at times. Nothing says fun like people who are on the air for five hours in a row and don't like each other AND hold highly opposite viewpoints. It's even better since Pat Buchanan is an old school republic who tries to use these things called "logic" and "reason" from time to time and Rachael will go after him whenever he tries to revert to even the semblance of a talking poiint.
Pat uses logic?
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Hopefully this will wrap up in early June, with enough super-delegate choices to put Obama over the magical minimum majority number. I can't imagine Clinton actually choosing to contest the Rules Committee decision if that happened; the flack she and her followers would take in the press would be enormous.
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That's assuming Hillary actually cares about what other people say about her.

You'd think that graduating with some sort of education would leave her with some common sense.
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Mr Bean wrote:And had things been split 50/50 as it should have been in Michgan, you would have seen today be a net win for Hillary by... maybe two delegates. So it would have been 45 to win but the new number is 2118 instead of 2,026.

Three days left people, three days until we know the truth of things. Three days for that super-delegate flood. Any day now.
Couple thoughts:

Aside from the fact that he didn't campaign there (and campaigning has almost universally added 10-15% to Obama's margin versus Clinton) both the actual votes themselves and the exit polls pointed to voters selecting clinton by about the margin granted. i think I already posted some of the numebrs analysis but it would be silly to think that Obama actually had a tie based on the votes that were counted. Now this is not to say the votes counted represent the current will of Michigan but they do represent the will of those who voted on that day anyway so if you are going to seat delegates who are supposed to be approtioned by voting and you aren't going to revote then those are the votes you have to chose from. There is no language in the DNC that would allow a 50/50 split and even giving Obama the "uncommitted" delegation is iffy at best BUT the 69-59 split is both what the MDP put forth as an option AND the best statistical refleciton of the views held by the voters who took place in the Michigan primary.


Now that being said once we get past tomorrow and the 3rd we have a numbere that even Cltinton can' get away from. Before she may have been able to claim that 2026 wasn't "really" locking the nomination but now that the RBC has spoekn 2118 is fixed and unmoving so once Obama passes that threshold she will have exactly 0 arguments left so honeslty I'm glad A decision has been made.
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Darth Wong
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Post by Darth Wong »

I've said this before, but it bears repeating. Even when there are only 60 seconds left in a football game and you're trailing by 14 points, it is not technically impossible to win. Clinton is clinging to insanely remote possibilities. I don't really buy the idea that she's campaigning for the VP spot; if she were, she would not be doing so much damage to the party right now with her divisive rhetoric.

At this point, she doesn't care if she burns the house down, as long as she's in control of the ashes.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:Hopefully this will wrap up in early June, with enough super-delegate choices to put Obama over the magical minimum majority number. I can't imagine Clinton actually choosing to contest the Rules Committee decision if that happened; the flack she and her followers would take in the press would be enormous.
Are you kidding? The way she's been conducting herself, it is entirely likely that she will challenge the RBC unless it gives her exactly the result she expects. Anything else will be utterly unacceptable to her, and she's made it clear that she will see the party burn rather than accept the fact that destiny is not hers.
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