DNC gives, FL/MI delegates 1/2 vote (Obama Gets 47% of MI)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Are a lot of Hillary's supporters formerly Republican but went over because she is a female?

[D.Turtle]

Are you kidding? The way she's been conducting herself, it is entirely likely that she will challenge the RBC unless it gives her exactly the result she expects. Anything else will be utterly unacceptable to her, and she's made it clear that she will see the party burn rather than accept the fact that destiny is not hers.

So far, the Democratic party big wigs have kept mostly out of the fray, letting the nomination process take its course. Once all states have voted, this process will be effectively finished. At that time, either Hillary will concede the nomination, she will be forced to concede the nomination, or she will have effectively taken herself out of American politics.

Some interesting quotes on this matter:

In an interview with Sky News, Carter said he did not think Clinton was achieving anything by staying in the fight.

"I think not. But of course she has the perfect right to do so," he said while attending a literary festival in Britain.

"I'm a superdelegate ... I think a lot of the superdelegates will make a decision quite, announced quite rapidly, after the final primary on June 3," he told Sky News.

"I have not yet announced publicly, but I think at that point it will be time for her to give it up," Carter said.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she will step in if necessary to make sure the presidential nomination fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama does not reach the Democratic National Convention - though she believes it could be resolved as early as next week.

Pelosi predicted Wednesday that a presidential nominee will emerge in the week after the final Democratic primaries on June 3, but she said "I will step in" if there is no resolution by late June regarding the seating of delegates from Florida and Michigan, the two states that defied party rules by holding early primaries.

In addition, Obama has for the first time started to bank superdelegate endorsements, in order to clinch the nomination by the end of next week.

To prepare for that eventuality, the Obama campaign has, for the first time, really, begun to bank delegates. Sources close to the campaign estimate that as many as three dozen Democratic superdelegates have privately pledged to announce their support for Obama on June 4 or 5. The campaign is determined that Obama not end the first week in June without securing the support of delegates numbering 2026 -- or 2210, as the case may be.

So, one more week and this nomination thing is over. Then theres only 5 months general election stuff left ...

[irishmick79]

If Hillary's position on this whole matter wasn't so transparently self-serving, I might have a little bit of respect for her desire to see the delegations seated. But, since Hillary is essentially reneging on the agreement she made with the other candidates about the MI and FL delegations, she should just consider herself fortunate that she's getting anything out of those delegations at all.

The Michigan Democratic Party had their heads firmly planted up their ass when they moved their primary up regardless of the consequences. Those consequences were clear and unambiguous. The fact that Clinton is trying to reward them for their idiocy simply because they gave her the result she desired should disturb her supporters, not to mention anybody considering voting for her. It's frustrating that she's forced the committee into making an akward ruling on a matter that shouldn't even have been ruled upon in the first place, and now she's thinking about challenging that ruling because it didn't give her the result she wanted is just aggrivating. Just let the matter drop and live up to your damn agreements already! She's clearly undermining the rules process in the party for her own political interets and the bottom line is that Clinton is a poltician who is out for herself, and herself only.

Such a candidate should be approached with extreme caution. Through this whole process she's clearly revealed hersef to be an unreliable partner in negotiations and has clearly demonstrated that the only thing that she's really concerned about is feeding her own presidential ambitions. I hope Obama senses this and drops any discussion of her on the ticket or serving in his administration should he win in November.

[D.Turtle]

Michigan's reason for moving ahead their Primary were actually quite sound. They wanted to protest (and have been doing so for the last several elections IIRC) the special treatment of Iowa and New Hampshire. They moved their Primary ahead, because usually, by the time they can have their primary, the election has already been decided. Basically: Either wait and have their election be worthless because the nomination has been decided, or move ahead and take the chance that their Primary will be worth less or worthless. They knew what they were doing and what they were risking.

It was their bad luck that this is one of those extreme few primaries that wasn't over by the time the majority of states could have their primaries. And then Hillary got into this entire thing, which made it even worse.

[General Zod]

Michigan's reason for moving ahead their Primary were actually quite sound. They wanted to protest (and have been doing so for the last several elections IIRC) the special treatment of Iowa and New Hampshire. They moved their Primary ahead, because usually, by the time they can have their primary, the election has already been decided. Basically: Either wait and have their election be worthless because the nomination has been decided, or move ahead and take the chance that their Primary will be worth less or worthless. They knew what they were doing and what they were risking.

It was their bad luck that this is one of those extreme few primaries that wasn't over by the time the majority of states could have their primaries. And then Hillary got into this entire thing, which made it even worse.

If they wanted to legitimately protest, then why are they whining about being disenfranchised after the fact when they fully knew what the punishment was for voting early? It smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

[D.Turtle]

If they wanted to legitimately protest, then why are they whining about being disenfranchised after the fact when they fully knew what the punishment was for voting early? It smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

Look at who is doing the massive whining and protesting: The Clinton campaign. This entire thing was a relatively unimportant matter until Hillary decided that she could get a couple of delegates out of this entire thing (delegates she needed). However, it is way too little, too late in order to make a difference in the nomination.

The reason Michigan (and Florida) were punished to such a severe extent last year, was very simple: The DNC had to ensure that other states would not follow their example of ignoring the timetable. Once all (or most) of the states have had their primaries and the nomination is decided, they could have restored their delegations to a certain extent in order to have them at the convention. It would have been a relatively small issue, if Hillary hadn't interfered.

[SirNitram]

It's worth noting both Florida and Michigan kept putting out compromises but Clinton shot them all down. Michigan should still be publically shamed for it's stunt, which however you slice it, did in fact harm the representation of the will of those people. That being said, it should be noted that one of the most vocal proponents for slapping both states with no votes at all was Ickles.. Clinton's surrogate who raged yesterday.

[Feil]

Are a lot of Hillary's supporters formerly Republican but went over because Obama is black

Fixed it for you.

[Durandal]

Apparently Obama's camp had the votes to get Michigan to split 50-50, but they instead backed the Michigan Democratic Party's proposal for a 69-59 split as sort of an olive branch to the Clinton people. Naturally, the Clinton people didn't get the hint, and they kept pushing for their insane solution of "Obama doesn't get any delegates".

[Patrick Degan]

Apparently Obama's camp had the votes to get Michigan to split 50-50, but they instead backed the Michigan Democratic Party's proposal for a 69-59 split as sort of an olive branch to the Clinton people. Naturally, the Clinton people didn't get the hint, and they kept pushing for their insane solution of "Obama doesn't get any delegates".

And that will only help seal her fate. No way the supers look at that spectacle and decide to roll the dice on a Hillary ticket for November. If she ever had a chance to sway enough of them to back her, it went out the window with her trying to grab Michigan and Florida like some greedy kid reaching for the last two slices of apple pie off of somebody else's plate.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Are a lot of Hillary's supporters formerly Republican but went over because she is a female?

More likely, Operation Chaos. I've been seeing a lot of these slimy pieces of shits lately.

[sketerpot]

Are a lot of Hillary's supporters formerly Republican but went over because she is a female?

More likely, Operation Chaos. I've been seeing a lot of these slimy pieces of shits lately.

This is a big off-topic, but people really need to stop using such formulaic names. Either use something descriptive, like Operation Pretend Democrats, or take the typical try-to-sound-badass naming convention and run with it. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to participate in something called Operation Glorious Snorting Death Nostrils?

In any case, it'll be nice to see the primaries finally end. We need to get on to McCain bashing sometime before November.

[Durandal]

Looks like Clinton is set to deliver a major speech tomorrow night. The presumption is that she'll be suspending her campaign.

[Knife]

Oh good. I was worried she'd just pack it in and not be able to pay her bills. With a suspended campaign, she can still make and spend money on a snowballs chance in hell.

[Darth Wong]

Looks like Clinton is set to deliver a major speech tomorrow night. The presumption is that she'll be suspending her campaign.

I'll believe it when I see it. This bitch is like the T-800, but without the natural easy-going personality.

[CmdrWilkens]

Looks like Clinton is set to deliver a major speech tomorrow night. The presumption is that she'll be suspending her campaign.

I'll believe it when I see it. This bitch is like the T-800, but without the natural easy-going personality.

The ONLY thing that makes me believe this is that she went back to NY and basically suspended campaign operations anyway (she has almost nothing running in either Montana or South Dakota). Beyond things like her national campaign co-chair (Vilasick of Iowa) saying that she has all but conceded and staffers for both cmpaigns already working on how Obama coudl help her raise funds to pay off the debt (he can't pay it off directly) it comes down to her being in NY. The thing is that you always suspend campaigns at home, you don't give up on the road you do it at home and she has gone home.

[Gandalf]

Why hasn't someone from the inner party contacted Clinton and told her to give it up yet?

[CmdrWilkens]

Why hasn't someone from the inner party contacted Clinton and told her to give it up yet?

They probably have but are keeping it damn quite. I mean Carter, Pelosi, Reid, and Dean have basicaly been screaming to her that if she doesn't give up today then on June 4th they are going to lead every other superdelegate over to the Obama camp.

[SirNitram]

Every time someone publically implies she should drop out, her drooling legions of hardcore supporters have public freakouts about disenfranchisement.

[Darth Wong]

Every time someone publically implies she should drop out, her drooling legions of hardcore supporters have public freakouts about disenfranchisement.

It's ironic, because Obama is the only candidate in the race who seems to be interested in governing the entire population, not just the part which supports him. McCain is like Bush, and Clinton has already made her views clear about how she intends to be the standard-bearer for uneducated white people.

[SirNitram]

Every time someone publically implies she should drop out, her drooling legions of hardcore supporters have public freakouts about disenfranchisement.

It's ironic, because Obama is the only candidate in the race who seems to be interested in governing the entire population, not just the part which supports him. McCain is like Bush, and Clinton has already made her views clear about how she intends to be the standard-bearer for uneducated white people.

Not surprising, when you examine the only true difference between Clinton and Obama. The policies are so similar it's basically the DNC and it's insider cocktail circuit vs. grassroots out-of-towners. The DNC, groomed by the Clintons into the useless entity that dominated the party psyche from 1992 to 2006, is all about only fighting in a few states for a few demographics.

[Falkenhayn]

Every time someone publically implies she should drop out, her drooling legions of hardcore supporters have public freakouts about disenfranchisement.

Quiet Nitram. Only Obama has a slavering horde of wild-eyed zealots. Clinton works for the everyman and his sober, working class common sense.

[Patrick Degan]

Every time someone publically implies she should drop out, her drooling legions of hardcore supporters have public freakouts about disenfranchisement.

It's ironic, because Obama is the only candidate in the race who seems to be interested in governing the entire population, not just the part which supports him. McCain is like Bush, and Clinton has already made her views clear about how she intends to be the standard-bearer for uneducated white people.

Not surprising, when you examine the only true difference between Clinton and Obama. The policies are so similar it's basically the DNC and it's insider cocktail circuit vs. grassroots out-of-towners. The DNC, groomed by the Clintons into the useless entity that dominated the party psyche from 1992 to 2006, is all about only fighting in a few states for a few demographics.

I think you're talking about the DLC —Democratic Leadership Council. Y'know, the useless cunts who knew how to profit by losing elections.

[SirNitram]

It's ironic, because Obama is the only candidate in the race who seems to be interested in governing the entire population, not just the part which supports him. McCain is like Bush, and Clinton has already made her views clear about how she intends to be the standard-bearer for uneducated white people.

Not surprising, when you examine the only true difference between Clinton and Obama. The policies are so similar it's basically the DNC and it's insider cocktail circuit vs. grassroots out-of-towners. The DNC, groomed by the Clintons into the useless entity that dominated the party psyche from 1992 to 2006, is all about only fighting in a few states for a few demographics.

I think you're talking about the DLC —Democratic Leadership Council. Y'know, the useless cunts who knew how to profit by losing elections.

That is correct; darn similar sounding names.

Though to be fair, the Clinton's did have their operatives running the DNC into the ground prior to Dr. Dean's ascension into it as well. It's frankly amazing that the President who presided over the Republican Revolution was able to reshape the party to his desires so pliably. And now the chickens come home to roost, in the form of their blundering now in the national spotlight. See the Clinton pollster who thought the Dems used the GOP style 'winner take all' primaries, or Ickles who voted to strip Michigan and Florida and now has tantrums over his own actions.