nBSG 4.08 [spoilers]

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2008-05-31 02:45am

DrMckay wrote:How 'bout Gaeta, when he gets out of the surgery?

He did, and I quote "Put his life on hold to serve as an officer on a Battlestar. Gaeta as CO with Dee as XO wouldn;t be bad.

Also, did anyone find it odd that Anders blows the leg off of a superior officer-little to no punishment visible, free run of sickbay. Athena kills another Cylon-Brig. Shouldn't she just be punished with "unauthorized discharge of a firearm?" Irony!!!!

Also, "Husker getting back into the cockpit was pure awesome.

Saw president Lee a mile away, tho. Leland Adama, Really?

Anders was protecting his captain from a mutiny. Athena shot an unarmed women for looking at her daughter possibly destroying their alliance with the rebel faction.

skies · Post by **skies** » 2008-05-31 02:47am

DrMckay wrote:How 'bout Gaeta, when he gets out of the surgery?

He did, and I quote "Put his life on hold to serve as an officer on a Battlestar. Gaeta as CO with Dee as XO wouldn;t be bad.

Also, did anyone find it odd that Anders blows the leg off of a superior officer-little to no punishment visible, free run of sickbay. Athena kills another Cylon-Brig. Shouldn't she just be punished with "unauthorized discharge of a firearm?" Irony!!!!

Also, "Husker getting back into the cockpit was pure awesome.

Saw president Lee a mile away, tho. Leland Adama, Really?

Gaeta? You've got to be kidding. I don't get why people think Gaeta is some sort of Golden Boy. He's basically the Ensign Harry Kim of nBSG, technically a briliant and promising officer, but a joke in real life. I just can see Gaeta getting any real authority, he just doesn't command any respect.

[R_H] · Post by **[R_H]** » 2008-05-31 03:44am

MariusRoi wrote:What is up with that four barrel gun?

It's a derringer, in fact, it's a COP 357 derringer. The same type of derringer was used in Home Part II.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2008-05-31 05:58am

NeoGoomba wrote:Well who else is left, senior officer-wise? Tigh is all he really has left thats capable of actually commanding the ship with Helo and Apollo not available to him.

He could have asked his son to lead the fleet while he was "away". Remember, at that time Lee wasn't president yet...

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2008-05-31 07:49am

Rommie2006 wrote:
He could have asked his son to lead the fleet while he was "away". Remember, at that time Lee wasn't president yet...

Except Apollo has made it quite clear that he's done with military service, and I would guess that he would have used that fact against Adama Sr. in an attempt to dissuade him from stepping down.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2008-05-31 09:16am

DrMckay wrote:How 'bout Gaeta, when he gets out of the surgery?

Except he still is in surgery and injured.. have we ever seen Gaeta in a command position?

I did like the little call back to the last time Saul was in charge.

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2008-05-31 04:17pm

Speaking of available competent senior officers, I wonder what happened to Pegasus' original CAG, he should still be hanging around somewhere shouldn't he?

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2008-05-31 04:25pm

Aeolus wrote: Anders was protecting his captain from a mutiny. Athena shot an unarmed women for looking at her daughter possibly destroying their alliance with the rebel faction.

I thought Helo had already legally relieved Starbuck at that point, and not only that couldn't Anders have shot Gaeta in a manner that didn't have such 'devastating' results. And he shot Gaeta on his own volition, nobody ordered him to do so...

As for Athena, if that incident happened in real life, wouldn't the insanity or emotional disturbance defense hold (well maybe not in military court but in a civilian court)?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2008-05-31 06:45pm

Lord MJ wrote:As for Athena, if that incident happened in real life, wouldn't the insanity or emotional disturbance defense hold (well maybe not in military court but in a civilian court)?

Athena's clearly NOT insane. As for "emotional disturbance," who would care? People who shoot each other are often ticked off, but that doesn't insulate them from the consequences of their behavior. Severe emotional distress is also only a partial and not a complete defense, so even if she got it she'd be off to prison.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2008-05-31 10:29pm

Not a bad episode. But not perfect, either. Disliked the aftermath of the Tigh/Adama fight, but nice developments with Lee and Caprica Six.

3.5/5.

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2008-06-01 12:13am

[R_H] wrote:
MariusRoi wrote:What is up with that four barrel gun?
It's a derringer, in fact, it's a COP 357 derringer. The same type of derringer was used in Home Part II.

Ah HAH ! proof that the lawyer has been to earth !!!

or not.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2008-06-01 06:34am

Crap episode. Discontinuous story and character development. Sloppy writing. Writer's fiat, left, right and centre. Got bored halfway through the Lee and lawyer stand off.

This season blows.

[R_H] · Post by **[R_H]** » 2008-06-01 08:55am

xerex wrote: Ah HAH ! proof that the lawyer has been to earth !!!

or not.

In universe it's an outdated, non-military issue weapon (according to Tyrol). Zerak's henchman had one, and also gave one to Athena in "Home, Part II".

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2008-06-01 10:12am

Lord MJ wrote:Speaking of available competent senior officers, I wonder what happened to Pegasus' original CAG, he should still be hanging around somewhere shouldn't he?

Real world reason is they apparently havent' been able to get him back since "Resurrection Ship" pt 1.

I'd say they're cracking again. The past few episodes have been solid. I'm just worried what the writer's strike may have done to the writers pacing. Hard to get back into the zone writing-wise, when you fall out of it.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2008-06-01 01:39pm

I'm pretty sure the writers' strike occurred after the tenth or eleventh episode was written, and I could swear I heard somewhere that they've already written the script for the series finale.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2008-06-01 02:13pm

Lord MJ wrote:
Aeolus wrote: Anders was protecting his captain from a mutiny. Athena shot an unarmed women for looking at her daughter possibly destroying their alliance with the rebel faction.

I thought Helo had already legally relieved Starbuck at that point, and not only that couldn't Anders have shot Gaeta in a manner that didn't have such 'devastating' results. And he shot Gaeta on his own volition, nobody ordered him to do so...

As for Athena, if that incident happened in real life, wouldn't the insanity or emotional disturbance defense hold (well maybe not in military court but in a civilian court)?

Okay technically you never really legally relieve a senior officer. You have a mutiny and get away with it at the court marshal. If anything goes wrong or if the legal captain in anyway proves to have been right you hang. Anyone againt the mutiny even if it is sucessful is not going to get in trouble after the fact. Protecting the righful captain is always legal. As I said before Helo was way out on a limb when he relieved starbuck.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2008-06-01 07:52pm

Aeolus wrote: As I said before Helo was way out on a limb when he relieved starbuck.

"Way out on a limb"?

Lets say in the 80's theres a USAF captain who everyone knows is rather unstable, but her kill record allows her to stay. Said captain was also captured by the Soviet Union and subject to unknown psychological abuse before being rescued and (inexplicably) returned to the active roster. And then, a few months after that, the captain is presumed KIA in a dogfight with Soviet forces her jet destroyed. A few months after THAT, the same captain returns unharmed in a brand new USAF fighter jet, right as a US carrier group is about to be overwhelmed by a hostile Soviet battlegroup, who promptly withdraw upon her arrival. She is then (against the will of almost everyone in the chain of command) given command of a super secret recon mission (that will tip the balance of power in the Cold War) in a PT boat, and then she miraculously finds a damaged Soviet vessel adrift, containing the exact same Soviet political officer who psychologically tortured the captain. The captain then promptly orders the crew to abandon their recon mission and to change course to the location of a Soviet aircraft carrier, after which she spends all of her time alone with the Soviet political officer.

What would any US military officer placed under command of such an officer do with such a fantastic string of "coincedences" regarding the enemy, his/her captain, and the mission?

DrMckay · Post by **DrMckay** » 2008-06-01 09:14pm

Aaaahhh.. Logical comparisons. They feel soooo good...

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2008-06-01 09:35pm

NeoGoomba wrote: What would any US military officer placed under command of such an officer do with such a fantastic string of "coincedences" regarding the enemy, his/her captain, and the mission?

Follow their orders. An officer has an obligation to refuse illegal or immoral orders. Suicidal orders are still lawful and must be followed.

Post by **weemadando** » 2008-06-02 02:15am

Alex Moon wrote:
NeoGoomba wrote: What would any US military officer placed under command of such an officer do with such a fantastic string of "coincedences" regarding the enemy, his/her captain, and the mission?
Follow their orders. An officer has an obligation to refuse illegal or immoral orders. Suicidal orders are still lawful and must be followed.

Wouldn't such an order be illegal in nature, you know, being tantamount to treason and all? Especially if they are clearly doing these things (going to the carrier) AGAINST the previously stated mission objectives?

Gerald Tarrant · Post by **Gerald Tarrant** » 2008-06-02 04:47am

Don't know if it's been speculated on, but I'm wondering if the Athena arc will be in the mold of those Classic Greek tragedies whereby trying to prevent a prophecy brings the prophecy about.