NT_Utvol offers an apology

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-24 11:00am

Yes, Alyeska makes an important point: this board is filled with dissent. We argue constantly. We disagree heatedly. Denizens like MkSheppard scream at me to "shut the fuck up" and I scream right back.

If this is B5, we're the Shadows, not the Vorlons.

If this is "Chasing Amy", we're Bankie. EDIT (spoiler): except for the part about rampant homophobia caused by his own repressed homosexuality

We put ideas through a "survival of the fittest" wringer.

If this is biology, we're evolution, not design.

At the end of the day, I suppose we believe this works, and that stronger ideas are formed in the crucible than the consensus. So in other words, don't expect us to treat you any differently than we would treat any one of our own

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-24 11:22am

Alyeska wrote: However that doesn't mean they will agree with you.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, just as you wouldn't automatically expect me to agree with you on everything.

And MoS, I also look forward to future dealings with SDnet.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-24 01:27pm

I know I'm late on this and the appology seems to have been accepted by everyone but I'll put my two cents in anyways and add my voice to the concensus. It looks good to me.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-24 02:10pm

I suggest that he be warned not to double-cross us - or not to have given a false apology (IE talking behind our backs on another board.)

Or at least if he does - make sure not to get caught.

We do have a nasty sense of vengeance, after all.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-24 08:34pm

I'll believe it in time via observing there actions, if it's in fact genuine

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-24 08:41pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:I suggest that he be warned not to double-cross us - or not to have given a false apology (IE talking behind our backs on another board.)

Or at least if he does - make sure not to get caught.

We do have a nasty sense of vengeance, after all.

1. There is NO evidence that he is planning to "double cross" us.

2. If he were to double cross us, what would happen? Not a lot. The two boards might go to war with each other again, and not much would happen after that.

3. I'm quite sure he already knows what the consequences on this board might be if he does "double cross" us, but that is a moot point because I'm confident he knows what's going on, that his apology is genuine, and that we have no reason to doubt his veracity.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-24 10:27pm

Thank you for your support, MoS.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-24 10:37pm

And with that, boards once torn apart by war, are being reunited in peace.

Almost brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-24 10:39pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:I suggest that he be warned not to double-cross us - or not to have given a false apology (IE talking behind our backs on another board.)

Or at least if he does - make sure not to get caught.

We do have a nasty sense of vengeance, after all.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-24 10:54pm

Um, I think you forgot to type, Ender, that or something was lost...

Or were you just trying to emphasize that statement?

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-25 12:00am

Would anyone object if I changed my avatar back to the USAF logo? Or possible MSgt's stripes?

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-01-25 12:09am

That other avatar is already in use by another board member as part of his sig, and has been for some time.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-25 01:41am

but they aren't even the same image. Plus, when I first started using it, I wasn't even aware that the other existed. I mean, I am just showing support for the USAF. I admit, the way I acted originally was not appropriate, especially using the avatar of the USAF. But, I have apologized for that. I cannot erase past actions, only hopefully make up for them in the future, and I would like to think that I have started out on a good foot on that trip.

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » 2003-01-25 01:42am

well it seems to have ended well. Both boards are still in one piece. I could not stand to see another board war like GameCapitol vs IGN where one board starts its long spiral towards Oblivion afterwards.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-25 01:50am

Gonna have to catch me up on that one.

BTW, dreamcaster's unite! lol

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-25 01:53am

NF_Utvol wrote:but they aren't even the same image. Plus, when I first started using it, I wasn't even aware that the other existed. I mean, I am just showing support for the USAF. I admit, the way I acted originally was not appropriate, especially using the avatar of the USAF. But, I have apologized for that. I cannot erase past actions, only hopefully make up for them in the future, and I would like to think that I have started out on a good foot on that trip.

Ask WP what he thinks.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-25 02:26am

Already done, though I am yet to hear back from him.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2003-01-25 03:01am

NF_Utvol wrote:Now that you state it, taking into account the other unfortunate incident a few months back with my trolling, it was me who started that. It was very uncouth for me to say what I said, and it was very uncalled for. I attacked you when i was personally unprovoked, which is wrong.

As I stated, I cannot apologize for the entire board. That would be unsincere, as I have not consulted them on the matter. The most I can personally do is apologize for myself.

As concerning Bernd's email, I will leave that between you two. First off, it is none of my business. Secondly, I could not say anything concerning it that you 1) don't already know 2)haven't already heard. I agree, some remarks he made were uncalled for, but, I am going to stay out of the personal conflict between the two of you, as apparently, the conflict between you and Bernd goes alot deeper than our two boards, and has been going on alot longer than I have even been a member of SCN.

I am only a 'newbie' moderator, and this is only the 1st month I have even been a moderator, and I don't think I have the status to speak for the entire board.

As stated before, I am truly sorry for my own past actions. That is all I can do, and the most sincere I can possibly be. I don't believe that you would want to be held responsible for apologizing for anything your board members might do, just as I cannot be responsible for the actions of our other board members or apologize for them. That is something that they must do on their own volition, otherwise, as you stated, it would truly NOT be sincere if they were forced into apologizing or if someone apologized for them.

At this point, I am only trying to make peace between our respective forums. If that is not possible by me, then I would like to attempt to at least make amends between ME and SDnet forums.

You admitted that you coundn't apologize on behalf of the entire board, so there's no way in hell you could make peace between two forums. The only goal you can achieve is to make amends betwen yourself, and only yourself, and SDnet forum.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-25 03:09am

True; we're not talking about SCN any more not mostly because it's not worth the bother. My assessment of Schneider certainly hasn't changed. But individuals have the right to be treated as individuals, not tarred as a giant group.

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2003-01-25 05:17am

Darth Wong wrote:True; we're not talking about SCN any more not mostly because it's not worth the bother. My assessment of Schneider certainly hasn't changed. But individuals have the right to be treated as individuals, not tarred as a giant group.

It's ok, there's still plenty of "Warsuk-Hai" theorists *coughFeliscough* that we can take aim at

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