Primary is over. Obama has it/ Hillary won't concede

[NomAnor15]

If McCain wins, then God help us all. (note: just using that as an expression, no actual religious connotation intended, in case anyone cares)

[Soontir C'boath]

If McCain wins, then God help us all. (note: just using that as an expression, no actual religious connotation intended, in case anyone cares)

Eh, god didn't help us jack shit the past eight years anyway.

[NomAnor15]

True dat. Maybe 'he' owes us one now

[Patrick Degan]

But doesn't she like have no way of catching up even if she stays on until the convention? The TV news today had her at roughly 200 votes to get a nomination and there aren't that many votes left to even cast.

The delusional bitch is hanging on the hope that she can turn Obama's superdelegates to vote for her.

Precisely. From now through August, it's going to be a shadow campaign to cajole, trick, or bully delegates into turning, and she will keep harping the "I won the popular vote" line.

What stops this is if Carter, Pelosi, and the other prominent supers finally tell her outright to sit down and shut the fuck up.

[Gerald Tarrant]

Maybe she's waiting for the Super-Delegates to officially cast their votes? Couldn't Dean or some other DNC leader make an official accounting of outstanding super votes? I'm not sure that private or public statements by the supers will be sufficient.

[Ender]

If McCain wins, then God help us all. (note: just using that as an expression, no actual religious connotation intended, in case anyone cares)

At this point the guy has shown he will say and do anything to be elected, so much so that I don't even trust him to follow the Bush policies he is saying he will. Guy could tell me the sky was blue and I would still go the the window and check now.

[Galvatron]

She's just trying to make sure that all of her supporters will not vote for Obama. I used to think that the talk about her trying to deliberately sabotage Obama and ensure a Republican victory was a bit of a humourous exaggeration, but it seems more and more true. I do believe she is now trying to sabotage the Democrats in this election, not as an unintended side-effect of an acrimonious campaign but as a deliberate intention unless she gets the VP nod.

In effect, having failed to win the nomination, she now intends to effectively extort a VP appointment from the party by threatening to undermine them in the general election.

Indeed, I figure she now sees two possible roads ahead of her:

1) As Mike said, she extorts a VP nod by threatening to undermine the party in the general election, thereby increasing the chances of a GOP victory. If Obama loses, she runs again in four years.

2) She receives a willing VP nod and campaigns vigorously. Obama wins. Twice. She runs again in eight years.

Either way, she thinks she still has a good shot at being POTUS within a decade. And she's right. Don't hate her because she's beautiful.

[Mayabird]

Of all the things, a line from Dr. McNinja has been coming to mind when I think about Hillary being the VP.

"I shall kill the president, thereby becoming the president..."

[NomAnor15]

If McCain wins, then God help us all. (note: just using that as an expression, no actual religious connotation intended, in case anyone cares)

At this point the guy has shown he will say and do anything to be elected, so much so that I don't even trust him to follow the Bush policies he is saying he will. Guy could tell me the sky was blue and I would still go the the window and check now.

I honestly don't know if he's intelligent enough to follow Bush's policies. Not to say that Bush's shtick is intelligent, just that I don't know that McCain even grasps what's going on. I mean, he literally said in a speech "I don't know much about economics". Even if he doesn't become Bush mk. 2, is this the kind of guy we want running the country? I sure don't.

[Durandal]

She's just trying to make sure that all of her supporters will not vote for Obama. I used to think that the talk about her trying to deliberately sabotage Obama and ensure a Republican victory was a bit of a humourous exaggeration, but it seems more and more true. I do believe she is now trying to sabotage the Democrats in this election, not as an unintended side-effect of an acrimonious campaign but as a deliberate intention unless she gets the VP nod.

In effect, having failed to win the nomination, she now intends to effectively extort a VP appointment from the party by threatening to undermine them in the general election.

That's pretty much how I see it. Though I honestly don't know that her supporters would go and vote for a Clinton-less ticket, even if she told them to. She's done such a good job of painting Obama as an elitist to her base (old, white, uneducated Democrats) that I hardly think they'd suddenly change their minds just because she told them to. If Obama really wants the presidency, he might just have to suck it up and put her on the ticket. And the more I think about it, the more I think it's inevitable. It's sad, but them's the breaks.

Clinton's speech was the equivalent of the losing team at the Super Bowl getting in a huddle while the president of the NFL was handing the Vince Lombardi trophy to the winners. It was kind of pitiful.

[Yogi]

I remember a few months back, I suggested that she might decide to go third party if things don't go her way. The general response was "No, that would be an ultimately futile move that would wind up tearing the party apart. Therefore, she wouldn't do it." It doesn't sound so far-fetched now.

[Chris OFarrell]

What the Democrats need RIGHT now is for the higher ups, now with Obama having a clear mandate, to sit Clinton the fuck down and read the riot act. Tell her that she WILL concede gracefuly, she WILL support Obama, she WILL not try to sabotage this, she WILL work to fix the horrible mess she made of party unity and she WILL publicly push as hard as she can for Obama. That Obama might chose her as his VP, but it will be his choice.

OR they will make absoloutly sure that she will NEVER, EVER run for President. EVER.

Of course, the problem is that Clinton is just crazy enough to say that she is perfectly willing to become an outcast, to smash Obama's chances, to split the party publicly, if they don't give in to her demans. 'Take one for the team' has rather pointedtly been shown to NOT be something the Clintons understand.

Can we try to get an endorsement from Chelsy or something? Of course she 'won't matter' if she endorses Obama...

[Galvatron]

Of course, the problem is that Clinton is just crazy enough to say that she is perfectly willing to become an outcast, to smash Obama's chances, to split the party publicly, if they don't give in to her demans. 'Take one for the team' has rather pointedtly been shown to NOT be something the Clintons understand.

Hell hath no fury...

[Ender]

I remember a few months back, I suggested that she might decide to go third party if things don't go her way. The general response was "No, that would be an ultimately futile move that would wind up tearing the party apart. Therefore, she wouldn't do it." It doesn't sound so far-fetched now.

Yes it does. There are a number of requirements for getting your name on the ballot. Apparently a lot of those deadlines have passed.

[Patrick Degan]

Though the comparison's already been made...

A look at Hillary at the convention:


I AM INVINCIBLE
I AM WO-MAN

[Crossroads Inc.]

for those that did not listen to hillarys speech, I recmoend it as it gives insight into just how delusion she is as wel las her supporters/..

The few people in the crowd were NUTZ, you could hear individually people shierking "WE LOVE YOU!" "SCREW OBAMA" and "DENVER DENVER DENVER"

The big thin gform her speech, is that she is not quitting, this was not a speech form someone whose even THINKING about quitting... In fact. she eneded her speech byurging people to go to hillary.com and "pledge your support"

Shes washed up, and asking for donations at this point in the game... More then that, she also basically said "I have 18millon voters behind me, and Obam isn;t getting a SINGLE ONE unless I say so!"

She went on about her 18nmillllion "being heared. "and that the "wouldn't be ugnored" and best of all "that they ontrol the fate of the presidancy."

Yeah... shes Nucking Futz.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

She's just trying to make sure that all of her supporters will not vote for Obama. I used to think that the talk about her trying to deliberately sabotage Obama and ensure a Republican victory was a bit of a humourous exaggeration, but it seems more and more true. I do believe she is now trying to sabotage the Democrats in this election, not as an unintended side-effect of an acrimonious campaign but as a deliberate intention unless she gets the VP nod.

In effect, having failed to win the nomination, she now intends to effectively extort a VP appointment from the party by threatening to undermine them in the general election.

That's pretty much how I see it. Though I honestly don't know that her supporters would go and vote for a Clinton-less ticket, even if she told them to. She's done such a good job of painting Obama as an elitist to her base (old, white, uneducated Democrats) that I hardly think they'd suddenly change their minds just because she told them to. If Obama really wants the presidency, he might just have to suck it up and put her on the ticket. And the more I think about it, the more I think it's inevitable. It's sad, but them's the breaks.

Clinton's speech was the equivalent of the losing team at the Super Bowl getting in a huddle while the president of the NFL was handing the Vince Lombardi trophy to the winners. It was kind of pitiful.

Who the hell would vote for a ticket with Clinton on it after this?

[Dark Flame]

Who the hell would vote for a ticket with Clinton on it after this?

Didn't we say that after four years of Bush? Don't underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

I haven't paid much attention to the race until now, but I did know that Hillary was a wacko nutjob. The comparison to Hitler's last days seems especially fitting.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

I would probably vote if she were on the ticket. If i didn't, the alternative isn't appealing to me. I don't want McCain to win, and I don't think I want to stick it to Obama by not voting for him.

I would just hold my nose.

[Durandal]

That's pretty much how I see it. Though I honestly don't know that her supporters would go and vote for a Clinton-less ticket, even if she told them to. She's done such a good job of painting Obama as an elitist to her base (old, white, uneducated Democrats) that I hardly think they'd suddenly change their minds just because she told them to. If Obama really wants the presidency, he might just have to suck it up and put her on the ticket. And the more I think about it, the more I think it's inevitable. It's sad, but them's the breaks.

Clinton's speech was the equivalent of the losing team at the Super Bowl getting in a huddle while the president of the NFL was handing the Vince Lombardi trophy to the winners. It was kind of pitiful.

Who the hell would vote for a ticket with Clinton on it after this?

The people who voted for her in the primary. There will be those Democrats who refused to vote for Obama because he was black, and they won't for for him in November no matter who his running mate is. What Obama needs to go after is the union vote. He needs to drive turnout in states like Michigan. They're still sore from when the DNC partially-neutered their delegates, and having Clinton on the ticket would go a long way to assuring the unions that they're still (for better or worse) an important part of the party.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I mean, he literally said in a speech "I don't know much about economics". Even if he doesn't become Bush mk. 2, is this the kind of guy we want running the country? I sure don't.

Could be worse, he could decide not to be forthright and lie by omission.

[Fleet Admiral JD]

Clinton is now speaking after Obama at the AIPAC conference? Will she concede?

[CmdrWilkens]

Clinton is now speaking after Obama at the AIPAC conference? Will she concede?

I dn't think she is ever going to publicly "concede." She may suspend her campaing but she is, as folks over at kos pointed out, working her way through the stages of grief and she is somewhere around about bargaining. When she finally gets around to acceptance I think it will probably be January.

[Darth Wong]

She's just trying to make sure that all of her supporters will not vote for Obama. I used to think that the talk about her trying to deliberately sabotage Obama and ensure a Republican victory was a bit of a humourous exaggeration, but it seems more and more true. I do believe she is now trying to sabotage the Democrats in this election, not as an unintended side-effect of an acrimonious campaign but as a deliberate intention unless she gets the VP nod.

In effect, having failed to win the nomination, she now intends to effectively extort a VP appointment from the party by threatening to undermine them in the general election.

That's pretty much how I see it. Though I honestly don't know that her supporters would go and vote for a Clinton-less ticket, even if she told them to. She's done such a good job of painting Obama as an elitist to her base (old, white, uneducated Democrats) that I hardly think they'd suddenly change their minds just because she told them to. If Obama really wants the presidency, he might just have to suck it up and put her on the ticket. And the more I think about it, the more I think it's inevitable. It's sad, but them's the breaks.

Too much entrenched power to change overnight.

Clinton's speech was the equivalent of the losing team at the Super Bowl getting in a huddle while the president of the NFL was handing the Vince Lombardi trophy to the winners. It was kind of pitiful.

It was more like the losing team telling their fans that the league is trying to screw them out of their well-deserved victory. It's bound to encourage hostility and resentment. All of her long-winded bullshit boils down to "WE'RE BEING ROBBED!!!!!"

[Mr Bean]

Why won't Obama fucking call her on her bullshit lie, please Obama shut her up on that popular vote line your going to lose voters because you accept that line unless you put forward the fact that she needs to use ROVE MATH(TM) in order to claim that bullshit.