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NANCY CHEMTOB, a divorce lawyer in Manhattan, has found that her days have become crammed seeing clients, all worried about how an economic downturn will affect their marriages.

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They seem to have nothing to fret about: their net worths range from $5 million to $1 billion. A blip in the markets shouldn’t send their chateau-size Park Avenue co-ops to foreclosure or exile them to Payless Shoes.

But Ms. Chemtob’s clients are concerned all the same, she said, because their incomes have shrunk, say, to $2 million a year from $8 million, and they know that their 2008 bonus checks are likely to be much less impressive.

One of her clients recently confessed that his net worth had decreased to $8 million from more than $20 million, and he thinks that his wife will leave him. He has hidden their fall in fortune by taking on debt to pay for her extravagant clothes and vacations.

“I literally had to sit there and tell him that he had to tell his wife that she had to stop spending,” she said. “He was actually scared she would leave him because their financial situation changed so drastically.”

The wealthy don’t generally speak publicly about their finances, in good times or bad. It’s in poor taste, for one, and their employers could fire them for talking even a little. But people who provide services to the wealthy — lawyers, art advisers, personal trainers and hairstylists — say they are getting an earful about their clients’ financial anxieties.

Interviews with the people who actually see the bank statements, like divorce lawyers and lenders, say their clients are definitely living on less than they did a year ago, regardless of how expansive the definition of “less” may be. Hairstylists and private jet rental companies say the wealthy are cutting back on luxuries like $350 highlights and $10,000-an-hour jet rentals. Even nutritionists and personal trainers notice a problem. The wealthy are eating more and gaining weight because of the stress.

These financial problems — if they can be called that — will hardly elicit tears from the rest of us. But in those gilded living rooms, there is a quiet nervousness about keeping up appearances.

“Even if they’re not in danger of not paying their mortgage, there’s still a psychological change,” said Chris Del Gatto, chief executive of Circa, which has watched its business jump by 50 percent in the last year as wealthy clients sell their spare diamonds and Rolexes. “The economy is an issue even for people who don’t need the money.”

THEIR spouses could leave them when they discover that their net worth has collapsed to eight figures from nine. Friends and business associates could avoid them as they pass their lunchtime tables at Barney’s or the Four Seasons. And these snubs could trickle down to their children.

“They fear their kids won’t get invited to the right birthday parties,” said Michele Kleier, an Upper East Side-based real estate broker. “If they have to give up things that are invisible, they’re O.K. as long as they don’t have give up things visible to the outside world.”

So New York’s very wealthy are addressing their distress in discreet and often awkward ways. They try to move their $165 sessions with personal trainers to a time slot that they know is already taken. They agree to tour multimillion-dollar apartments and then say the spaces don’t match their specifications. They apply for a line of credit before art auctions, supposedly to buy a painting or a sculpture, but use that borrowed money to pay other debts.

“Most people won’t go to their banker and say: ‘You know I’m in desperate trouble. I need funds,’ ” said Andy Augenblick, president of Emigrant Bank Fine Art Finance, which allows clients to borrow against art collections worth more than $2 million. Mr. Augenblick said that the number of requests for these types of loans is five times higher than a year ago. He said that while these borrowers claim that they don’t need the money, their latest financial statements show that their net worth has withered in the past year.

Other wealthy clients are cutting luxuries that they think their friends and relatives won’t notice, according to Mr. Del Gatto of Circa. At Circa’s midtown offices, he said, the seven consultation rooms have been busy with customers selling their precious gems. Some older couples, he said, are selling estate jewelry to help support their children who have lost Wall Street jobs. Bankers are paring down their collections of Patek Philippe watches. Wives from Greenwich and Scarsdale are selling 2-carat to 35-carat single-stone diamond rings. One recent client explained to Mr. Del Gatto that she was selling $2 million in diamonds she rarely wore, because her friends wouldn’t notice that they were gone.

“She said, ‘If I sold my Bentley or my important art, they would notice,’ ” he said. “That we hear, in differing examples, every day.”

Art consultants find that the very wealthy are more receptive to parting with their precious works. Cassie Rosenthal, an owner of the Chelsea gallery Goff & Rosenthal, said that since the subprime crisis hit in the fall, and especially since the new year, some collectors are willing to sell pieces that were off limits in the past. She said that when the deals close quickly, they’re happy.

“Most people will just sort of say: ‘Will you sell this for me? When you can get me payment?’ ” Ms. Rosenthal said. “It’s more about the urgency of getting paid.”

Justin Sullivan, managing director of Regent Jet, which leases private airplanes, said most clients in real estate and on Wall Street are switching to chartered jets over private jets, and cutting their flight budgets by about 25 percent. One New York real estate developer cut his budget to less than $250,000 a year from $1.5 million a year.

“A year ago, he would have only flown Gulfstreams,” Mr. Sullivan said. “Now it’s moving to the point where he’s flying Beech jets and Learjets.”

Some wealthy New Yorkers are even cutting back on relatively smaller things. At J Sisters, a midtown Manhattan salon where celebrities like Naomi Campbell and Gwyneth Paltrow mingle with Wall Street clients, stylists and colorists say they hear about money worries all day. On a spring afternoon, a half-dozen hairstylists to the very wealthy talked about how customers are stretching their $350 highlights and $150 haircuts to every eight weeks instead of six weeks. Some women are cutting out highlights entirely, saying they would “rather be brunettes.”

Jean-François Pilon, a stylist at J Sisters, has seen many women come less frequently and tip less generously. During the subprime crisis last summer, and the collapse of Bear Stearns last March, he said, many clients tried to stretch out their visits. He interprets these changes in behavior as signs that they need to watch their spending.

“You pick up on it very quickly,” he said. “People don’t beg.”

The drop in wealth has also exposed other personal problems, like bad marriages. Money — which bought jewelry or extravagant vacations — helped smooth over many of these difficulties, said Kenneth Mueller, a psychotherapist in the East Village who works with many Wall Street bankers and real estate developers. Now, he said, his clients “catastrophize” smaller bonuses or shriveling stock portfolios. “You have to remind them that there’s something that has always been there,” he said. “All the money helped mask the anxiety.”

The very wealthy can’t hide anything from their nutritionists and personal trainers, because they see the weight gain. Heather Bauer, a dietitian who works with many Wall Street executives who pay $600 to $800 a month for her services, says her clients have been eating and drinking more in the last six months. She sees results of this indulging each time they step on a scale, and in their journals that record what they’ve eaten.

ONE Wall Street executive, Ms. Bauer said, snacks on nuts in her office all day to manage the stress of potentially losing her position, while another confesses to inhaling four bowls of cereal at 10 p.m. Even their sex lives are suffering, Ms. Bauer said, because of the stress or because the weight gain makes them feel unattractive.

Her clients blame the economy for their out-of-control waistlines.

“The number one concern that they have is the state of the financial market,” she said. “There definitely is a correlation between the stock market and weight gain.”

Clay Burwell, a personal trainer to many Wall Street executives, said that his clients were also feeling the toll. A year of eating more, drinking more and working longer hours has started to hurt their health.

“They come into the gym with a dark storm cloud over their head,” he said. “They look like hell.”
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Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine but..... if your wife leaves you because you can't pay her expenses.... what exactly makes her different from a prostitute? Well, yes, extremely more expensive, and you might not be having as much sex with her anymore. True love, indeed.

Anyway, I agree with the previous comment about their "troubles".
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How is this a bad thing? I don't see why the rich would be stressing so much about their lives, when people who make less than them are doing reletively okay.
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I notice most of the people listed are people in the low millions, rather than the huge millions, or the super billionaires. This could have the effect of putting more people out of the upper-middle and lower-upper classes into the middle class. This could leave an even smaller group of super-wealthy versus a group of have-nots that's growing and growing in size.
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*blinks*

Oh, it's not an Onion article. That's funny and sad at the same time.
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I find the idea of status-obsessed assholes falling into a depression over dropping from 8 figures to 7 figures to be absolutely hilarious. My only misgiving is that there are still rich people who are feeling good about themselves.

I also have to laugh at the idea of guys whose wives leave them over this drop from 8 figures to 7. True love, eh guys? Serves you right for marrying a gold-digging trophy wife bitch, morons.
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I wonder when the suicides ala "Black Friday" 1929 will start. :roll:
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Kronos wrote:I don't see why the rich would be stressing so much about their lives, when people who make less than them are doing reletively okay.
Much of human psychology is calibrated on relative perception, not absolutes. Remember that it all evolved in hunter-gatherer tribes where status made a huge difference to your reproductive chances. People stress about any decline from what they think they deserve, and about any failure to match up to what they consider their peers. After all, even the American poor have it very easy compared to families in say contemporary Somalia or Dark Ages Europe - but we don't (normally) go around saying 'oh, be quiet Broomstick, your hardships are nothing compared to Joe Peasant living in 1132'.
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So New York’s very wealthy are addressing their distress in discreet and often awkward ways. They try to move their $165 sessions with personal trainers to a time slot that they know is already taken. They agree to tour multimillion-dollar apartments and then say the spaces don’t match their specifications. They apply for a line of credit before art auctions, supposedly to buy a painting or a sculpture, but use that borrowed money to pay other debts.
My favourite part of the article :)

and this:
One of her clients recently confessed that his net worth had decreased to $8 million from more than $20 million, and he thinks that his wife will leave him. He has hidden their fall in fortune by taking on debt to pay for her extravagant clothes and vacations.

“I literally had to sit there and tell him that he had to tell his wife that she had to stop spending,” she said. “He was actually scared she would leave him because their financial situation changed so drastically.”


Pathetic assholes. Finally the sham they call a life is being revealed to them.
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Darth Wong wrote:I find the idea of status-obsessed assholes falling into a depression over dropping from 8 figures to 7 figures to be absolutely hilarious. My only misgiving is that there are still rich people who are feeling good about themselves.
Hell theres even less of an issue the only guy who complained there was a drop from 9 figures to 8 figures. They can't make a violin small enought to show how much I care.
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One of her clients recently confessed that his net worth had decreased to $8 million from more than $20 million, and he thinks that his wife will leave him. He has hidden their fall in fortune by taking on debt to pay for her extravagant clothes and vacations.

“I literally had to sit there and tell him that he had to tell his wife that she had to stop spending,” she said. “He was actually scared she would leave him because their financial situation changed so drastically.”


Hmm... Clearly you are going through a situation of no small distress for you. This is my perspective on your troubles:

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Master of Cards wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I find the idea of status-obsessed assholes falling into a depression over dropping from 8 figures to 7 figures to be absolutely hilarious. My only misgiving is that there are still rich people who are feeling good about themselves.
Hell theres even less of an issue the only guy who complained there was a drop from 9 figures to 8 figures. They can't make a violin small enought to show how much I care.
Well, the Japanese did make that one micron ramen bowl...

But yes, this is rather sad and pathetic. I can understand the mentality behind wives leaving (greedy whores), but people ashamedly paying off their debts and reducing ridiculas spending. Is purchasing new crap really the center of their lives?
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Pulp Hero wrote:Is purchasing new crap really the center of their lives?
The funny thing about guys who make shitloads of money: the majority of them say catch phrases like "I work to live, I don't live to work." Or "I intend to build up my fortune and then retire early so I can enjoy life." But when push comes to shove, very few of them can follow through. Once you've been a greedy unprincipled SOB for too long, it's just what you are. You don't know how to do anything else. The only way out is to marry someone who can pull you back down to Earth, but these guys apparently didn't make that choice.
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Mmm...

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The only way out is to marry someone who can pull you back down to Earth, but these guys apparently didn't make that choice.
It seems their wives share the "greedy asshole" psychology full well if they consider dropping them over a spending cut. :lol:
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Darth Wong wrote:
Pulp Hero wrote:Is purchasing new crap really the center of their lives?
The funny thing about guys who make shitloads of money: the majority of them say catch phrases like "I work to live, I don't live to work." Or "I intend to build up my fortune and then retire early so I can enjoy life." But when push comes to shove, very few of them can follow through. Once you've been a greedy unprincipled SOB for too long, it's just what you are. You don't know how to do anything else. The only way out is to marry someone who can pull you back down to Earth, but these guys apparently didn't make that choice.
They're so eager to max-out their efficiency at increasing the bottom line, at being really good at the means to an end that when the end was in sight, the can't even take it. Transforming yourself into a singleminded engine for producing profit or political power tends to leave not much room for enjoying life, love, family, or friends. Everything else is long been burned out to max room for maximization along the way. And at the end of the road, you're Hillary Clinton.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:*blinks*

Oh, it's not an Onion article. That's funny and sad at the same time.
I know, I kept scrolling up to see if it was satire.

Still, I bet whomever wrote that article must have just been giggling themselves silly over their word processors. I know I was reading it. Seriously, it's articles like this and shows like "My Super Sweet Sixteen" that make me understand why the French invented the guillotine.
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Puts me in mind of a great line from the movie The Lady From Shanghai, in which the Orson Welles character, Black Mike Riley, finds himself on a yacht with a bunch of bored asshole rich people and says with no small amount of pride, "I've always found it more sanitary to be poor."
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Thing is, if my net worth went from 9 figures to 8, it would be going from "more money than I know what to do with" to "enough money to last me my foreseeable lifetime with plenty left over".

Granted, I still have a "make every penny count" mindset of me as a college student with very little discretionary income, and I'm just starting to build up my net worth now that I'm a part of the real world. But still, I'm not even sure how I could spend that much money without going out of my way to spend it. Sure, $350 haircuts, but I have a guy who cuts my hair for less than a tenth of that, and the only reason I spend that much is that the guy's a good friend of mine. And the conspicuous consumption of a million cars and a McMansion would be just as repulsive to me if I were a multi-millionaire without making my entire fortune consist of crazy demon mind-control money.

But I guess it's like Mike said. Some people just have that mindset.
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But where will the wives go then?

The oligarchs and oil sheiks only have so much time for so many mistresses.
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Civil War Man wrote:I'm not even sure how I could spend that much money without going out of my way to spend it.
It's easy to spend a lot of money if you, like me, have a thing for buying up industry and infrastructure. Do you know how much a steel mill costs? I think it runs at a few milliards. The guys that confuse me are the ones who spend all their wealth on luxury. I mean shit, $1000 for a bottle of wine? For that price tag I'd expect it to give me multiple orgasms and make my excrement smell like grapes for a week.
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I know it's probably unlikely, but what's the chance of these fucks being knocked down into the lower middle/lower class? I'm sure it'd be a sobering experience. I think the concept that there are people who live at a meager level successfully would be horrifically frightening to them.
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Where is that South Park video clip with the Detective screaming 'NOT A BIG DEAL!' to how file sharing makes the uber rich, slightly less rich...

Cause that would fit this so frigen well...
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The rich are losing money? Quick! More tax breaks! Before the evil Democrats get the White House and try to use our hoards of cash for national benefit!!
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