Intel's next-gen processor (Nehalem) benchmarked

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Intel's next-gen processor (Nehalem) benchmarked

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Anandtech wrote:First keep in mind that these performance numbers are early, and they were run on a partly crippled, very early platform. With that preface, the fact that Nehalem is still able to post these 20 - 50% performance gains says only one thing about Intel's tick-tock cadence: they did it.

We've been told to expect a 20 - 30% overall advantage over Penryn and it looks like Intel is on track to delivering just that in Q4. At 2.66GHz, Nehalem is already faster than the fastest 3.2GHz Penryns on the market today. At 3.2GHz, I'd feel comfortable calling it baby Skulltrail in all but the most heavily threaded benchmarks. This thing is fast and this is on a very early platform, keep in mind that Nehalem doesn't launch until Q4 of this year.

Over six years ago I had dinner with Intel's Pat Gelsinger (back when he was Intel's CTO), and I asked him the same question I always do: "what are you excited about?" Back then his response was "threading", Intel was about to launch Hyper Threading and Pat was convinced that it was absolutely necessary for the future of microprocessors.

It was at the same dinner that Pat mentioned Intel may do a chip with an integrated memory controller much like AMD, but that an IMC wouldn't solve the problem of idle execution units - only indirectly mitigate it. With Nehalem, Intel managed to combine both - and it only took 6 years to pull it off.

Pat also brought up another very good point at that dinner. He turned to me and said that you can only integrate a memory controller once, what do you do next to improve performance? Intel has managed to keep increasing performance, but what I really want to see is what happens at the next tock. Intel proved its ability with Conroe and with Nehalem it shows that the tick-tock model can work, but more than anything looking at Nehalem today makes me excited at what Sandy Bridge will bring.

The fact that we're able to see these sorts of performance improvements despite being faced with a dormant AMD says a lot. In many ways Intel is doing more to improve performance today than when AMD was on top during the Pentium 4 days.

AMD never really caught up to the performance of Conroe, through some aggressive pricing we got competition in the low end but it could never touch the upper echelon of Core 2 performance. With Penryn, Intel widened the gap. And now with Nehalem it's going to be even tougher to envision a competitive high-end AMD CPU at the end of this year. 2009 should hold a new architecture for AMD, which is the only thing that could possibly come close to achieving competition here. It's months before Nehalem's launch and there's already no equal in sight, it will take far more than Phenom to make this thing sweat.
These performance numbers put Intel's new processor family somewhere around 30%-50% increased performance over Penryn with only a 10% bump in power, and that's on an alpha platform with driver issues.

Needless to say, this is an even bigger jolt to the CPU industry than Core 2 was. Not only is this thing insanely powerful on the desktop, but with its QPI interconnects, IMC and improved hyper-threading, it's going to scale masterfully in servers.

Congrats Intel, you just made your competition a non-entity.
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Hot damn.

EDIT: I really would've liked to see more single-thread benchmarks (yes, I know some are in there) but that certainly looks to be an impressive design by Intel. Sucks to be AMD.
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Congrats Intel, you just made your competition a non-entity.
Well, AMD could be secretly developing a super-chip, derived from inscrutable artifacts recovered from alien technowizard ruins found on Mars and covered up by the US government.

Unfortunately, this isn't at all likely, for the obvious reason that Intel has already done so. :P
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Psychic_Sandwich wrote:Well, AMD could be secretly developing a super-chip, derived from inscrutable artifacts recovered from alien technowizard ruins found on Mars and covered up by the US government.

Unfortunately, this isn't at all likely, for the obvious reason that Intel has already done so. :P

I'm pretty sure Intel owns AMD now anyways.
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Stormin wrote:I'm pretty sure Intel owns AMD now anyways.
What?
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Psychic_Sandwich wrote:
Congrats Intel, you just made your competition a non-entity.
Well, AMD could be secretly developing a super-chip, derived from inscrutable artifacts recovered from alien technowizard ruins found on Mars and covered up by the US government.

Unfortunately, this isn't at all likely, for the obvious reason that Intel has already done so. :P
South America, actually. Intel Processors are based on crystal skull technology.

More seriously, though, this is awesome news. Faster computers for all!
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All I can say about this is, "Crap, I just built a computer around a Q6600."

Welcome to the wonderful world of technology!
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Jaevric wrote:All I can say about this is, "Crap, I just built a computer around a Q6600."

Welcome to the wonderful world of technology!
You aren't alone. Though, you could work around the problem with a better graphic card.
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phongn wrote:
Stormin wrote:I'm pretty sure Intel owns AMD now anyways.
What?

My mistake entirely. The article was in PC gamer and it treated Intel's buying a bunch of AMD stock as an actual merging. :/
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AnandTech's updated some scores - looks like single-threaded performance hasn't really changed since Penryn. The L2 cache looks weirdly small,though.
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I am of course looking forward to Nehalem, which finally combines AMD-style system architecture with Intel manufacturing process and core logic leadership. In fact since I got an 8-core Xeon machine to tide me over, I am now looking at getting a couple of Nehalem workstations in mid 2009.

The main thing Sandy Bridge promises is a truly decent 256-bit vector unit (SSE2 is mediocre - MMX was abysmal). That'll be useful for many AI-related things I do, plus encoding, servers that process a lot of SSL streams, various scientific apps and ray tracing. However most of those are steadily migrating off the CPU anyway, so I imagine the performance impact will be underwhelming, plus there's the usual delay for everything to be optimised and recompiled for the new arch.

That said I would not completely write off Bulldozer yet. If AMD are actually serious about 'design a new core from the ground up', then there's still the potential for it to be awesome. If that's a smokescreen for 'another set of tweaks to the tired old K8 architecture' then they're screwed.
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Bulldozer isn't likely to come till 2009 or later though. A lot of ground to recover which may be irrecoverable.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Bulldozer isn't likely to come till 2009
Nehalem won't be out in volume until early 2009. Bulldozer is supposed to be out mid-2009, though yeah, AMD's execution record has been pretty awful recently.
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Starglider wrote:The main thing Sandy Bridge promises is a truly decent 256-bit vector unit (SSE2 is mediocre - MMX was abysmal). That'll be useful for many AI-related things I do, plus encoding, servers that process a lot of SSL streams, various scientific apps and ray tracing. However most of those are steadily migrating off the CPU anyway, so I imagine the performance impact will be underwhelming, plus there's the usual delay for everything to be optimised and recompiled for the new arch.
They're also bringing in hardware AES crypto for all the server guys. AVX brings in some instructions that PPC's AltiVec had for a long time, too. And while MMX was pretty poor, it did have some useful utility and it was a first attempt by Intel without the ridiculously huge transistor budget CPU designers have now.

And then there's the whole damned vector-extension fragmentation x86 suffers from. SSE4, 4.1, 4.2, 4a (AMD), 5 (AMD), AVX ...
That said I would not completely write off Bulldozer yet. If AMD are actually serious about 'design a new core from the ground up', then there's still the potential for it to be awesome. If that's a smokescreen for 'another set of tweaks to the tired old K8 architecture' then they're screwed.
Rumour has it they tried that already ... several times for a K9 design, and they were forced to come out with K10 when they couldn't deliver. That, and their CEO hasn't had the best history of semiconductor leadership, even if he clearly is a smart guy.
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Kudos to intel for yet another technological breakthrough. But would this new amazing chip be wasted again like it's predecessors ? From 486 to the entire pentium run to current multi cores it seems software developers have shown an amazing ability to create ever more inefficient code. It's like a reverse moore's law. No matter how fast CPUs get software will always become slower. So yeah look forward to 2016 waiting 2 minutes to boot up and send an email on a then obsolete PC using this CPU.
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Software becomes slower, yes, but it also becomes more complex. It does more. All that extra RAM and CPU time can be put to use now - we can get things like complete searches of filesystem content, for example. So what if we pay the price? You can still use older software, after all.
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