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SURPRISE! McCain tax cuts favor rich people

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McCain's Tax Plan Favors Wealthiest, Analysis Says
By Deborah Solomon
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Both John McCain and Barack Obama promise to cut taxes for the majority of Americans. But an Obama administration would redistribute income toward lower- and middle-class households, while a McCain White House would steer the bulk of the benefits to the wealthiest families, according to a nonpartisan analysis of the still-evolving tax plans of the presidential candidates.

Both plans risk causing more economic damage than improvement, according to the detailed study by the Washington-based Tax Policy Center. While some of Sen. McCain's tax cuts could lift economic activity, the "adverse effects of the resulting increased deficits may make the net ...
The rest of the article goes on to say that the study concludes McCain's tax plan favors the wealthy (big surprise there), while Obama's favors the middle class. There are questions about how the campaigns will pay for the tax cuts -- Obama says he'll end Bush's tax cuts, tax hedge fund managers, and raise the tax on capital gains and divident incomes, while McCain says he'll cut extra spending and roll back oil company tax breaks -- but there's no as-yet quantitative analysis of how that'll play out.

The article mentions that Obama is projected to get 18.4% of GDP as tax, while McCain is projected to get 17.8% of GDP as tax revenue. It also projects that the debt will increase by $3.3 trillion under Obama and $4.5 trillion under McCain.

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Average change in annual taxes under the presidential candidates' plans measured against current tax law.  (Bush Tax Cuts expire in 2010)
                               2009                                            2012
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Income              Change in After-Tax Income             Change in After-Tax Income
                      Obama          McCain                   Obama       McCain

$111,646+              -2%             3%                      1.5%         6.4%

$66,355-
$111,646               1.8%            1.4%                    4.4%         4.1%

$37,596-
$66,355                2.4%            0.7%                    4.6%         3.1%

$18,982-
$37,595                3.6%            0.5%                    5.9%         2.8%

$0-18,592              5.5%            0.2%                    6.2%         0.9%

Source: WSJ, who used the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center
The article also mentions that, by McCain's plan, those making more than $2.8 million will have an after-tax income increase of 4.4%, while under Obama's plan they would see their after-tax income increase by a whopping -11.4%. McCain also wants to drop the corporate income-tax rate to 25% from 30% by 2015 (that's why the study notes his policy would probably be better for business than Obama's), and Obama wants to exempt some senior citizens from all taxes.

Here's an indicator of how large the gap between wealthy and poor is: McCain's tax cut, on average, increases after-tax income by 2%. Obama's, on average, increases after-tax income by 0.3%. Even though Obama favors middle-and lower-income voters, so much income is concentrated in the stratospherically wealthy, they skew the averages.

Here is the study the article's talking about.
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I know Americans love to hear they have a "right" to their tax money, but its time to stop fucking around; the Bush tax cuts need to be rolled back and the marginal rate increased (and new rates added), and the middle class cut reduced.
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I heard McSame saying the other day how raising taxes on the wealthy durring a recession/depression was a bad idea. I say go ahead John, you stick with that line, let all the dumb ass rednecks that vote Republican against their own self interest see who your real constituents are. That should be a bang up campaign strategy.
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More Trickle Down bullshit.

30 years. 30 years they've been foisting that shit on us and no will learn. No one will call them on how during that 30 years the wage gap continues to grow and grow. The rich get richer, the middle class shrinks and the poor get fucked as always.
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The Spartan wrote: 30 years. 30 years they've been foisting that shit on us and no will learn. No one will call them on how during that 30 years the wage gap continues to grow and grow. The rich get richer, the middle class shrinks and the poor get fucked as always.
I've always figured that the shrinking of the middle class was due to a greater demand for highly skilled labor and a lower demand for unskilled labor.

It seems like with the US losing a lot of its traditional manufacturing jobs, unskilled laborers have been brought down into the lower class, while skilled laborers make more and more, moving them into the upper class.

I'm not sure if our labor getting divided into skilled and unskilled groups is something that you can avoid with any kind of tax policy or government action.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:
I've always figured that the shrinking of the middle class was due to a greater demand for highly skilled labor and a lower demand for unskilled labor.

It seems like with the US losing a lot of its traditional manufacturing jobs, unskilled laborers have been brought down into the lower class, while skilled laborers make more and more, moving them into the upper class.

I'm not sure if our labor getting divided into skilled and unskilled groups is something that you can avoid with any kind of tax policy or government action.
Skilled Labor is doing that well either, labor in general is failing. If you're a CEO or a drunk, anorexic heiress, you're fine, if you actually PRODUCE something, fuck you.
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mingo wrote: Skilled Labor is doing that well either, labor in general is failing. If you're a CEO or a drunk, anorexic heiress, you're fine, if you actually PRODUCE something, fuck you.
My point isn't so much that skilled labor is doing well, it's that higher education requirements might explain the decline of the middle class better than tax policy.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote: My point isn't so much that skilled labor is doing well, it's that higher education requirements might explain the decline of the middle class better than tax policy.
When the amount of jobs rapidly decreases thanks to companies exporting their work and closing plants, there's naturally going to be a lot of people looking for new ones. Which means in order to stay competitive and get hired they have to have a greater amount of education and experience than the next guy. So it's not a "one or the other" thing but a host of different factors.
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The Spartan wrote:More Trickle Down bullshit.

30 years. 30 years they've been foisting that shit on us and no will learn. No one will call them on how during that 30 years the wage gap continues to grow and grow. The rich get richer, the middle class shrinks and the poor get fucked as always.
EDIT: I'd like to see a source for the implicit claim that the middle class is getting poorer. I've seen it claimed (George Will article, probably can't find it) that the middle class is shrinking because more people are becoming rich.
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Surlethe wrote:
The Spartan wrote:More Trickle Down bullshit.

30 years. 30 years they've been foisting that shit on us and no will learn. No one will call them on how during that 30 years the wage gap continues to grow and grow. The rich get richer, the middle class shrinks and the poor get fucked as always.
EDIT: I'd like to see a source for the implicit claim that the middle class is getting poorer. I've seen it claimed (George Will article, probably can't find it) that the middle class is shrinking because more people are becoming rich.
Nitpick: Actually, they don't contradict, you can have the middle class getting poorer as more people leave the middle class and become rich.
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Surlethe wrote:
The Spartan wrote:More Trickle Down bullshit.

30 years. 30 years they've been foisting that shit on us and no will learn. No one will call them on how during that 30 years the wage gap continues to grow and grow. The rich get richer, the middle class shrinks and the poor get fucked as always.
EDIT: I'd like to see a source for the implicit claim that the middle class is getting poorer. I've seen it claimed (George Will article, probably can't find it) that the middle class is shrinking because more people are becoming rich.
The general thing that I see written is that the rich get richer, the poor gets poorer and the middle class stagnates.
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