Luke raised by the Sand People

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-06-12 04:58pm

Because George thinks his audience is stupid and thought "easy recognition" was more important than logic. That, and he got excessively in love with the idea of the Jedi as monks, not knights.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2008-06-12 05:03pm

Galvatron wrote:I'm therefore left wondering why Obi-Wan continued to wear his traditional Jedi robes when he was hiding from the Empire. Can you explain that to me?

Maybe guys in the Tatooine outback frequently wear brown hooded robes?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-06-12 05:05pm

That's the irritating bit, if you read Robert Brown's old site, its clear that Obi-Wan was just wearing hermit robes on Tatooine. Yoda was a bit similar, but he was a hermit too and his outfit was not the same.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2008-06-12 05:05pm

I don't mind the Jedi wearing robes, but I think they should look more like Shinigami uniforms from the anime Bleach than Obi-Wan's desert attire. And give them some battlearmor for the fuck's sake (EDIT: I guess they did that in the Clone Wars cartoon, but it was never seen again that I know of).

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » 2008-06-12 08:34pm

Okay, now may I ask that we get back to the topic at hand which is Luke being raised by the Sand People and not the four separate topics this degenerated into.

A note that struck me from the Episode II Visual Dictionary:

It seems age 15 is the age of Majority and Luke would no doubt be married shortly after that, if tribal patterns here on earth are any indication, which raises a whole range of issues should he have children and whether he still comes across R2 and Threepio.

Hmm. Perhaps I should explore this further in a draft study. I will of course still take input here.

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2008-06-12 08:58pm

Galvatron wrote:I'm therefore left wondering why Obi-Wan continued to wear his traditional Jedi robes when he was hiding from the Empire. Can you explain that to me?

Well, on the bright side the rest of his appearance positively screamed hobo recluse, and the faded dirty brown robes only added to that.

Galvatron wrote:I don't mind the Jedi wearing robes, but I think they should look more like Shinigami uniforms from the anime Bleach than Obi-Wan's desert attire. And give them some battlearmor for the fuck's sake (EDIT: I guess they did that in the Clone Wars cartoon, but it was never seen again that I know of).

Meh, I don't think that Lucas should have gone overboard with the samurai/feudal Japanese influence.

The Imperial Knights of the Legacy comics have armor, but stupidly not helmets.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2008-06-12 09:14pm

Wanderer wrote:It seems age 15 is the age of Majority and Luke would no doubt be married shortly after that, if tribal patterns here on earth are any indication, which raises a whole range of issues should he have children and whether he still comes across R2 and Threepio.

Looking at Wookiepedia, Sand People are supposed to be "biologically incompatible" with humans (not absolutely certain but probably means they can't interbreed). Unless there are any human women among them he could hook up with he probably wouldn't be having any kids.

Assuming this representation is accurate (which is in some dispute as it's from a dream) they don't exactly look very "doable" to me either if you get my drift, but I suppose if you'd been raised among them your standards might be different. The human mind can be surprisingly plastic, after all.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-06-12 09:20pm

Well, there could be another Sand Person raised female human captive (Tahiri and Hett's mom comes to mind), though the chances of them being in the vicinity for Luke to start a family with is rather slim at best.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2008-06-12 09:29pm

Well, if you buy the theory about Tatooine being the original human planet of origin then they're probably still related species and they might be able to produce a sterile hybrid, like horses and donkeys.

If they're true aliens ... apparently this isn't Star Trek.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2008-06-13 12:57am

Junghalli wrote:Assuming this representation is accurate (which is in some dispute as it's from a dream) they don't exactly look very "doable" to me either if you get my drift, but I suppose if you'd been raised among them your standards might be different. The human mind can be surprisingly plastic, after all.

Holy shit, is that what they look like?
I've been wondering for well over a decade, now (and I suppose for many others, two or three times that long)!

They're completely alien!
Being a specieist bastard, I thought the name Sand "People" meant they were human.. though I guess other sapient beings would be "people" too, after all.

That's pretty much the only source, whether canon or merely official, of what an unmasked Tusken looks like, right?

Desdinova · Post by **Desdinova** » 2008-06-13 01:09am

In a rare blow to the Star Wars writers' concept of "species", Hett straight out says that they're not genetically compatible with humans.

Pity no one researched what a species actually IS when KJA was coming up with the ideas for the old Sith.

Interbreeding with humans... heh.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2008-06-13 01:28am

Desdinova wrote:In a rare blow to the Star Wars writers' concept of "species", Hett straight out says that they're not genetically compatible with humans.

Pity no one researched what a species actually IS when KJA was coming up with the ideas for the old Sith. Interbreeding with humans... heh.

Yeah, total retardation there.
Even ignoring the direct contradiction of the very definition of the term, creatures that evolved on different planets shouldn't even be able to have infertile offspring in the first place, much less fertile ones.

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2008-06-13 01:51am

Saxton's stuff about near-human species (such as twi'leks) aside, is there some sort of semi-official policy to make sure that Star Wars doesn't do the Trek thing regarding interspecies reproduction?

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2008-06-13 02:10am

Given that there are supposedly people with "alien ancestry", and the bit about the early Dark Jedi interbreeding with the Sith, I doubt it. This is probably just one example of a particular author realizing how ridiculous the concept it.

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2008-06-13 02:22am

I would rationalize it away as saying that somewhere along the line, near-human species decided to sort of tweak their bodies around to be able to have offspring with humans. Or at least some of them decided to.

And that Sith and Dark Jedi thing? Well, Sith Alchemy might be used there?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-06-13 02:37am

The quasihumans and pseudohumans must have evolved or modified in proximity to baselines for quite some time, fortunately, we know that pre-FTL interstellar colonization and travel by humans spread across the entire galaxy before the invention of FTL drives; we know that they got as far as Csilla, isolated in the Unknown Regions until the film era. We know that the Mandalorian race's ancestors, the quasihuman Taung, were interstellar refugees from a war on ancient Coruscant.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-06-13 03:04am

Yeah, and while official literature and in-universe lore says that humans are the descendants of the Coruscanti Zhell, that's not quite ancient enough. The theory that humans are the descendants of the Celestials and colonized the galaxy from Corellia seems more plausible. But then, I suppose the two are by no means mutually exclusive.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2008-06-13 03:58am

Darth Ruinus wrote:I would rationalize it away as saying that somewhere along the line, near-human species decided to sort of tweak their bodies around to be able to have offspring with humans. Or at least some of them decided to.

Or a lot of the "near humans" are actually human offshoots that have experienced divergent evolution due to local conditions, or genetically modified themselves for some reason.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2008-06-13 10:51am

Junghalli wrote:
Wanderer wrote:It seems age 15 is the age of Majority and Luke would no doubt be married shortly after that, if tribal patterns here on earth are any indication, which raises a whole range of issues should he have children and whether he still comes across R2 and Threepio.
Looking at Wookiepedia, Sand People are supposed to be "biologically incompatible" with humans (not absolutely certain but probably means they can't interbreed). Unless there are any human women among them he could hook up with he probably wouldn't be having any kids.

Assuming this representation is accurate (which is in some dispute as it's from a dream) they don't exactly look very "doable" to me either if you get my drift, but I suppose if you'd been raised among them your standards might be different. The human mind can be surprisingly plastic, after all.

Damn it, I liked the idea that Tusken Raiders were actually biologically human under those wrappings, and alien strictly in mentality.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-06-13 03:46pm

Darth Raptor wrote:Yeah, and while official literature and in-universe lore says that humans are the descendants of the Coruscanti Zhell, that's not quite ancient enough. The theory that humans are the descendants of the Celestials and colonized the galaxy from Corellia seems more plausible. But then, I suppose the two are by no means mutually exclusive.

No, you have no idea what you're talking about. The Zhell were just one civilization/race of humans; there is no established planet of origin for humans.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-06-14 02:19am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, you have no idea what you're talking about. The Zhell were just one civilization/race of humans; there is no established planet of origin for humans.

Please forgive me, but I thought it was a subject of speculation/debate in-universe which is reported in official literature. No, that is far from established and our concurrence on the relevant point cannot excuse this most egregious mistake. I know nothing.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-06-14 04:00am

Darth Raptor wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, you have no idea what you're talking about. The Zhell were just one civilization/race of humans; there is no established planet of origin for humans.
Please forgive me, but I thought it was a subject of speculation/debate in-universe which is reported in official literature. No, that is far from established and our concurrence on the relevant point cannot excuse this most egregious mistake. I know nothing.

While there is some idle speculation in sources I've seen that humanity originated on Coruscant, it is always qualified as unsubstantiated and nowhere are the Zhell identified as prospective ancestors.

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2008-06-15 10:53pm

Junghalli wrote:Given that there are supposedly people with "alien ancestry", and the bit about the early Dark Jedi interbreeding with the Sith, I doubt it. This is probably just one example of a particular author realizing how ridiculous the concept it.

Are you referring to Nazi analogue GADM Pitta? At least the Etti and Bornecks, which he is supposed to be a descendant of, are human-looking enough to be possibly human off-shoot species.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-06-16 11:07am

If they have fertile offspring with humans, they're not true species anyway.