Dr Who Season Finale SPOILERS

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2008-06-13 03:48pm

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Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2008-06-13 04:27pm

You owe me for this travesty. Stark does, too. I thought he was joking.

LOLDAVROS McSTAVROS

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2008-06-13 04:41pm

Well, fuck.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-06-13 04:58pm

Davros.

I knew it. I just fucking knew it.

Worse than the Master. No matter how many times you spray, Davros always pops back up somehow.

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-06-13 06:05pm

Oh for fucks sake
They could have used Davros in Bad Wolf/Parting of Ways in place of that lame ass emperor but no instead they drag his ass out way after the dalek cool factor has been abraded away, especially with that Daleks in Manhatten abortion

The Daleks may have been the #1 classic Dr Who villain but they were used sparingly back then, just piling them in like this cheapens them, deprives them of their menace

Between Lucas & Davies my childhood is being raped faster than a choirboy and a Catholic priest

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-06-13 06:47pm

I've got a confession to make...

The Red Dalek actually looks visually interesting. That third light on his head, though, could look very stupid. I wonder if it will have a plunger or something else.

Incidentally, I much preffered the Dalek Emperor. The notion of a dalek Emperor goes back to Evil of the Daleks. And perhaps you have to have listened to Nick Briggs' Dalek Empire series to get the most out of the Dalek Emperor (there, built up very nicely, and played by the same actor)...

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-06-13 07:00pm

NecronLord wrote:I've got a confession to make...

The Red Dalek actually looks visually interesting. That third light on his head, though, could look very stupid. I wonder if it will have a plunger or something else.

Incidentally, I much preffered the Dalek Emperor. The notion of a dalek Emperor goes back to Evil of the Daleks. And perhaps you have to have listened to Nick Briggs' Dalek Empire series to get the most out of the Dalek Emperor (there, built up very nicely, and played by the same actor)...

That just makes it worse. Red Daleks have a vintage, the design looks at least interesting... mentally cover up Davros (we've all been doing it for decades) and the Red Dalek really fulfills all his plot elements except the part where he sucks and made the Daleks into fail. Having the Red Dalek PLUS Davros is just ...

The Dalek Emperor was cool, and for me, made utterly hilarious by people on Wiki deciding that it was the same Dalek Emperor as in Evil. Because clearly, His name is D. Emperor, it's not a title right?

So remember, no matter how much the next episode sucks, you can always say to yourself 'at least Davros isn't in it'.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2008-06-13 07:12pm

What gets me is why the Daleks, a super race of cyborgs that have mastery over time and space conquered thousands of galaxies and fought in pitch battle against the almost godlike Time Lords scaring away the even more godlike Eternals in the process, would have anything to do with a disabled elderly fart in a glorified wheelchair? He served his purpose in "Genesis of the Daleks" by painting himself into a corner by helping the Daleks to be as vicious and ambitious as possible, they killed him, and the only way for the Daleks was right up to the top of the Kardashev Scale with no need for inferior beings such as a disabled Kaled crank (who was last seen as a head in a deodorant ball).

I wouldn't say the Dalek Emperor from "The Parting of the Ways" was lame at all (delusional religious rantings aside) and neither was Dalek Sec really (up untill he turned into Octopus Man in Spats at least), since both characters demonstate that the Daleks can be their own monsters as originally intended, as self-reliant warrior scientists who see no need to be drones for a deformed shouty man (I hope Davros is more henchman than overlord).

Anyway Davies is likely doing this as a proper send off for the Daleks for the next half decade or so (hopefully) and Moffat is most likely not going to use them as a crutch when he's in charge.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-06-13 07:15pm

You can bet the explanation will be deeply stupid. As you say, the fail of Davros is that he turns the Daleks from cybernetic nazi evil geniuses into bland robot slaves. The depowering may sadly involve a Destiny-esque brain-raping of the Daleks.

Unless it's 'oh look Pete's World had a Davros'. Anything with Pete's World is bosso.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-06-13 07:27pm

Russell T Davies sucks.

Post by **Vympel** » 2008-06-13 08:32pm

Obviously the Daleks are going to be in Rose's adopted universe. I'm sure everyone's figured that out by now.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2008-06-13 08:39pm

I like that Davros isn't much more convincing than he was in old DW. He still looks rubbery as all hell. We need some more of that.

Stark wrote:Unless it's 'oh look Pete's World had a Davros'. Anything with Pete's World is bosso.

Davros in a zeppelin!

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2008-06-13 09:26pm

Bah, this as good as place as any to show you this spoiler(ish) image of the stupid old bugger. Hmmm, the production crew recyled the ancient prosthetic mask worn by Tennant in "The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords".

And I actually think the florrid red Dalek Supreme is actually pretty good in retro camp kinda of way (wouldn't look out of place in one of the two Cushing movies) and I bet serious money it is Dalek Caan. Davros' base is identical to the base for that black Dalek Supreme featured in "Remembrance of the Daleks" and the controls look 1970s.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2008-06-14 01:22am

Judging from the pic, it looks like the Red Dalek didn't bother to keep itself well maintained. It looked also like it has been recently rust-proofed.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2008-06-14 03:16pm

I just rewatched 'Genesis of the Daleks' to remind myself how great Davros was then. Its a pity that his character was rubbished in Destiny/Resurrection/Revelation/Rememberance of the Daleks. Terry Malloy does a fantastic job of making him terrifiying again in the Big Finish audios.

Perosnally I think he looks great in this new who form, but then again I was over-joyed with the return of the Master & that ended in awful soul-eating-wife-beating shite, so I'll reserve judgement until I see the finale.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2008-06-14 03:27pm

The trailer for the finale didn't look that bad, to be honest. It's all recycled from the last three finales, so there probably won't be any fresh ideas worth mentioning, but there was enough interesting titbits to make me think that it could at least be entertaining after all.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2008-06-15 12:43am

I just can't imagine how Davros could be used effectively after Genesis. I mean the Daleks had advanced technologically, so what could Davros (plot wise) bring to the table. I suppose he could have remembered bits and pieces of the Doctor's conversation (where he tortured Tom Baker's doctor to get info about the Daleks future defeats).

However it was Terry Nation's fiat, that Davros was so bad ass brilliant that he could still help the Daleks just be his technological know how.

That being said, if this Davros is as speculated from another universe, events may have very well turned out differently, eg the daleks may not have turned against him and he could have picked up knowledge over the years as the daleks advanced.

So I will withhold judgment until I see the finale.

Oh, whats the betting there will now be red dalek toys coming out. Since I already have the white daleks (rememberance), Dark Grey dalek (genesis), black dalek (throughout the classic series), classic daleks, and the new time war era dalek, as well as dalek sec and another small time war dalek, I guess another dalek toy can't hurt. Unfortunately I don't have much space left to put it.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2008-06-15 01:24am

Frankly, I have never seen this kind of Dalek before without the plunger implement. This is just one of many different Dalek toys out there now.

The amount of Doctor Who merchandise out there is so ridiculous humongous it's not funny. That red Dalek will be coming and so will Davros for sure.

FFS, they made three different action figures of the Scarecrows and other one-off characters like Toby and Brannigan to name some.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2008-06-15 03:47am

The best toy you can possibly buy is Cassandra's frame. yes, for a small amount of money, you can own an empty frame!

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2008-06-15 09:51am

Damaged Cassandra

Oh, should I mention that they have a Dalek Voice Changer helmet? That's a Dalek toy you most likely don't have yet, mfg.

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2008-06-15 09:58am

Soontir C'boath wrote:Damaged Cassandra

Oh, should I mention that they have a Dalek Voice Changer helmet? That's a Dalek toy you most likely don't have yet, mfg.

I have seen the Cybermen voice changer, but not the Dalek one. I want one.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-06-15 11:04am

mr friendly guy wrote:I just can't imagine how Davros could be used effectively after Genesis.

Have you not seen Rememberance? That's a very good one.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-06-15 06:08pm

NecronLord wrote:Have you not seen Rememberance? That's a very good one.

You just proved his point; Rememberance would have been 95% exactly the same without Davros. Davros' presence - after the terrible previous 3 Dalek stories - gave us a single scene about a minute long. Remove him and the Doctor's plan would still work, the story would be the same, and you'd even still have McCoy ranting at Dalek Leader#77 in the same way.

And it's not 'a very good one'. It's pretty much the only good post-Genesis Dalek story, and it's nowhere near as good as I had remembered. The novelisation made it WAY better, but the episodes themselves are somewhat clumsy for all their excellent subject matter. Some of it is just embarrassing.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2008-06-15 06:55pm

mr friendly guy wrote:I just can't imagine how Davros could be used effectively after Genesis. I mean the Daleks had advanced technologically, so what could Davros (plot wise) bring to the table. I suppose he could have remembered bits and pieces of the Doctor's conversation (where he tortured Tom Baker's doctor to get info about the Daleks future defeats).

Or he could create a race of non-time-war Daleks that won't have to be wiped out at the end of each and every episode that they appear, only to be brought back the following season via increasingly contrived methods.

Having a group of Daleks that can be left alone for a little while without having to worry about them conquering the universe over the weekend would be a big plus in my books.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-06-15 07:00pm

That's pretty much what I've expected since I hear of Davies' fannish swansong. However, depowering the Daleks is pretty easy to do, and doesn't require Davros. But the fans apparently love Davros (all fans are idiots) and thus bringing him back in his final story when he won't have to deal with any of the later bullshit is a double win for him.

Frankly, Daleks in Manhatten could've been used to depower the Daleks. Shame Helen Dumbcunt is literate only to a fourth grade level, I guess.