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4 Marines die in Afghanistan; 870 inmates escape

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Now remember this is strategically insignificant :roll:

By NOOR KHAN and JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writers 41 minutes ago

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - About 870 prisoners escaped during a Taliban bomb and rocket attack on the main prison in southern Afghanistan that knocked down the front gate and demolished a prison floor, Afghan officials said Saturday. And in western Afghanistan on Saturday, a roadside bomb exploded near a U.S. military vehicle, killing four Americans in the deadliest attack against U.S. troops in the country this year, officials said.

The bomb in the western province of Farah targeted Marines helping to train Afghanistan's fledgling police force, said U.S. spokesman Lt. Col. David Johnson. One other Marine was wounded in the attack.

Marines from the 2nd Battalion, 7th Regiment based in Twentynine Palms, California, arrived in Afghanistan earlier this year and were sent to southern and western Afghanistan to train police.

The bombing comes one day after U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates told his counterparts in Europe that for the first time, the monthly total of American and allied combat deaths in Afghanistan exceeded the toll in Iraq during May.

The four deaths bring to at least 44 the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan this year, according to an Associated Press count. No more than two U.S. personnel had been killed in any one attack in Afghanistan this year, according to the AP tally.

In the prison escape, the police chief of Kandahar province, Sayed Agha Saqib, said 390 Taliban inmates were among those who fled the prison during the attack late Friday.

NATO's International Security Assistance Force put the number of escapees slightly higher, at around 1,100, according to spokesman Brig. Gen. Carlos Branco. He conceded that the assault was a success.

"We admit it," Branco said. "Their guys did the job properly in that sense, but it does not have a strategic impact. We should not draw any conclusion about the deterioration of the military operations in the area. We should not draw any conclusion about the strength of the Taliban."

The complex attack included a truck bombing at the main gate, a suicide bomber who struck a back wall and rockets fired from inside the prison courtyard, setting off a series of explosions that rattled Kandahar, the country's second biggest city.

The rockets demolished an upper prison floor, said Mohammad Qasim Hashimzai, a deputy minister at the Justice Ministry. Nine police were killed in the attack, said Interior Ministry spokesman Zemeri Bashary.

There were no indications that the militants received help from the inside, but as a precaution the prison's chief official, Abdul Qabir, was placed under investigation for possible involvement, Hashimzai said.

A Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, said 30 insurgents on motorbikes and two suicide bombers attacked Sarposa Prison.

NATO was providing intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets to help track fleeing militants, Branco said.

Afghan officials warned that the Taliban essentially boosted its force by 400 fighters because of the prison break, but Branco said NATO officials didn't think it would change the military situation.

"OK, they got some more fighters, more shooters," Branco said. "These guys who escaped from the prison are not going to change the operational tempo and they do not provide the Taliban with operational initiative."

A man who claimed to be one of the militants who escaped, Abdul Nafai, called an Associated Press reporter and said the insurgents had minibuses waiting outside the prison during the attack and that dozens of militants fled in the vehicles. Other witnesses and officials said the militants fled on foot into pomegranate and grape groves behind the prison.

Hashimzai said the jail did not meet international minimum standards for a prison. The Kandahar facility was not built as a prison but had been modified into one, he said.

A delegation of deputy ministers from the Justice and Interior ministries left for Kandahar early Saturday.

"Plans are under way to renovate all the prisons around the country," said Hashimzai. "Kandahar was one of them, but unfortunately what happened last night is cause for concern."

Kandahar was the Taliban's former stronghold and its province has been the scene of fierce fighting in the past two years between insurgents and NATO troops, primarily from Canada and the United States.

Qabir, the chief of Kandahar's Sarposa Prison, said the assault began when a tanker truck full of explosives detonated at the prison's main entrance, wrecking the gate and a police post, killing all the officers inside.

Soon after, a suicide bomber on foot blasted a hole in the back of the prison, Qabir said.

Ahmadi, the Taliban spokesman, said militants had been planning the assault for two months.

Canadian soldiers with NATO's International Security Assistance Force helped provide a security cordon after the attack.

Last month, some 200 Taliban suspects at the prison ended a weeklong hunger strike after a parliamentary delegation promised that their cases would be reviewed.
"We admit it," Branco said. "Their guys did the job properly in that sense, but it does not have a strategic impact. We should not draw any conclusion about the deterioration of the military operations in the area. We should not draw any conclusion about the strength of the Taliban."
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That is a pretty impressive operation, there is a reason that place is considered a graveyard for invading armies.
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To bad they were not locked up at Gitmo, then they would still be behind bars.
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Is this the largest POW escape in modern history? There was a 400 prisoner break-out in Cowra (Australia) during WW2, but I'm not sure if there was anything larger... Most of the other mass escapes were only 150 - 200 that I'm aware of.

That said, this was a nice exclamation point on the statements of the week from many world leaders that Afghanistan needs more attention.
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The story in the paper today told of a truck bomb that blew up the gate, followed by at least 30 motorcycles that carried men armed with RPGs, machine guns, and AK-47s, leading to a 20 minute fire fight.

It sounded pretty spectacular, like out of a movie.
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One does have to wonder about the Taliban's motivations for this. It's certainly a very risky stunt to pull, and one which could've gone very bad very quickly. Have we actually been making a real impact to the point that they were that desperate for more fighters to bolster their ranks, or did they intend this as just some kind of show of strength, with the prisoners being free to rejoin them just a bonus?
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Archaic` wrote:One does have to wonder about the Taliban's motivations for this. It's certainly a very risky stunt to pull, and one which could've gone very bad very quickly. Have we actually been making a real impact to the point that they were that desperate for more fighters to bolster their ranks, or did they intend this as just some kind of show of strength, with the prisoners being free to rejoin them just a bonus?
Why the hell wouldn't they?

There's a big international focus on the fact that the coalition is lagging behind in A'stan and suddenly the Taliban are able to blow open a prison, hold off local and QRF forces and bust out 1000 prisoners?

It's a risky stunt, but on every level it was a brilliant. Planning, execution and outcome... Seriously, as a show of force this was perfect, it showed that they could achieve a massive victory in the heart of supposedly coalition territory.

Now, imagine that you're a small chieftain/tribal leader who has to chose between the coalition and the Taliban. After the past few months, and especially this, who would you chose? Especially given all the other "incentives" (ie, we don't kill your whole fucking family) that the Taliban would be offering.
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I remember recently me and Pezook mentioned the islamic insurgents not being able to openly attack and bust prison camps like the WWII partisans.

Well, that's changing then.
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I salute those brave freedom fighters and Mujahadeen for liberating their valiant comrades from the Soviet torture camps!

Perhaps they had an incoherently-speaking American special forces man with exploding arrows and a big machinegun aiding them.

Oh wait -

Damn, that is impressive though. Nice one, Taliban.
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weemadando wrote:Is this the largest POW escape in modern history? There was a 400 prisoner break-out in Cowra (Australia) during WW2, but I'm not sure if there was anything larger... Most of the other mass escapes were only 150 - 200 that I'm aware of.
It seems that only about 1/3 of the people who got out are Talaban, most are just common criminals. This was a major propaganda coup, but its worth noting that the attacking force wasn’t able to fully liberate the place or destroy its defending force, only pin them in place while people ran out a big hole in the wall. Even the Danish resistance pulled stuff like this off a couple times in WW2.
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weemadando wrote:Is this the largest POW escape in modern history? There was a 400 prisoner break-out in Cowra (Australia) during WW2, but I'm not sure if there was anything larger... Most of the other mass escapes were only 150 - 200 that I'm aware of.
It seems that only about 1/3 of the people who got out are Talaban, most are just common criminals. This was a major propaganda coup, but its worth noting that the attacking force wasn’t able to fully liberate the place or destroy its defending force, only pin them in place while people ran out a big hole in the wall. Even the Danish resistance pulled stuff like this off a couple times in WW2.
On the scale of the 400 POW escapee though?

And I know that they didn't fully liberate the place, but I don't think that that was the objective... I mean, it was in goddamn Kandahar so sticking around for the long fight was never that smart.
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The Globe and Mail wrote:Military assess damage from Afghan prison break

ALEXANDER PANETTA
The Canadian Press
June 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM EDT

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Canadian soldiers are participating in a massive manhunt for hundreds of pro-Taliban detainees who escaped from a prison that is now a cratered, rubble-filled blast site.

They will seek out intelligence about the rebels' whereabouts and pass the information along to Afghan authorities, Canada's top soldier in Afghanistan said Saturday.

Canadian officials said the interior of Kandahar's biggest prison remained solid enough that future captives could again be sent to the facility before too long.

But the mounds of carnage at the entrance illustrated a disheartening reality for NATO troops: Almost 400 of the prisoners they've already captured are on the loose. At least six police officers are dead.

Works crews sifted through debris for body parts. Bits of barbed wire lay strewn in the street. Empty shoes lay scattered about. The mangled, scorched remains of police vehicles were overturned.

Hydraulic shovels gathered heaps of brown rubble in front of a gaping hole that was once the wall of Sarposa prison.

All were evidence of a multi-pronged assault that saw the prison pounded by an explosive-laden truck, a suicide bomber, a series rocket-propelled grenades and finally gun-wielding intruders.

Canadian military engineers and police officers twice visited the prison Saturday to help Afghan officials assess the damage and restore the facility to functional capacity.

The Canadian commander said Afghan security forces would play the lead role in hunting down inmates. But he said Canadian troops would seek out and share tips with their Afghan counterparts.

"We have — as they do — multiple eyes on this province," said Brigadier-General Denis Thompson.

"We will cue Afghan National Forces to help them capture the fugitives."

The Afghan government announced that 870 of the jail's 1,005 inmates had escaped — including the vast majority of its 398 suspected rebels, the ones they call "political prisoners."

As for the impact on Canadian troops, Brig.-Gen. Thompson held out hope that the influx of insurgents would not come back to haunt Canadian soldiers on the battlefield.

He also expressed optimism over news that Afghan authorities had received 22 tips from civilians and had discovered five roadside bombs with their help.

While he called that public assistance an encouraging sign for the international mission, Thompson was blunt when asked about the impact of the previous night's events.

"Typically, you have good days and bad days," he said of the mission. "Clearly, yesterday was a bad day."

Privately, soldiers muttered that the attack would be a public-relations bonanza for the Taliban; thousands of inmates' family members and friends will credit them for freeing their loved ones.

"This is a big win for them," one soldier said.

A neighbour of the prison declared the brazen assault a demonstration of strength by the insurgency.


Mohammad Aiwaiz said he heard a huge blast around 9:30 p.m. Friday night, then saw flames spewing out from the building. Finally, he heard an exchange of gunfire inside.

"I was very scared and worried. I told my family not to leave," he said.

"The Taliban have managed to demonstrate that they can still take control of Kandahar city."

While the international coalition has been engaged in fierce battles with insurgents in chaotic rural areas of Kandahar province, the city was seen as an oasis of calm by comparison. With one of the city's most secure spots in smouldering ruins locals may be unconvinced momentum is building toward a stable, democratic Afghanistan.

Afghan authorities said the prisoners quickly vanished Friday night into large fruit orchards surrounding the jail.

The prison is about 30 kilometres from the main NATO base at Kandahar Airfield, but far closer to the small Canadian reconstruction facility near the downtown core.

Afghanistan's deputy minister of the interior told a news conference Saturday that six people believed to be escapees had been recaptured. Munir Mangal said the situation was stable.

He said so under heavy protection at the provincial governor's compound, which was guarded by tanks and soldiers from several countries including Canada.

A deputy minister at the Justice Ministry told The Associated Press that the rockets demolished an upper prison floor.

Mohammad Qasim Hashimzai said there was no proof militants received help from the inside. But as a precaution the prison's chief official, Abdul Qabir, was placed under investigation for possible involvement, Mr. Hashimzai said.

Back at the Kandahar military base, the regular weekly bazaar was cancelled.

Every Saturday, the base is abuzz with local merchants peddling clothes, jewellery and electronics and bargaining with soldiers as children tug at their arms to lead them to other stalls.

Not this Saturday. Soldiers were informed in a terse morning announcement over base loudspeakers that the weekly event was cancelled.

The Taliban said 30 insurgents on motorbikes and two suicide bombers attacked the prison.

Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi told The Associated Press that militants had been planning the assault for the last two months "to release our Taliban friends."

Just months ago, the Canadian government resumed prisoner transfers after suspending them because of documented abuse of detainees by Afghan officials.

Inmates at Sarposa described having been whipped, choked and electrocuted in separate detention facilities run by Afghanistan's feared intelligence police.


"Today we succeeded," he said. The escaped prisoners "are safe in town and they are going to their homes."
Not quite the "don't worry, everything is OK" tone that some people are trying to promote. The fact is that this looks bad for us on every conceivable level. At least some people are exhibiting some candor about it.
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