Obsession - Islam's dangerous fanatacism

[Justforfun000]

This is a very disturbing look at Islam's equivalent of our Christian fundies. Unfortunately they are a lot more dangerous to us in the long run and very difficult to reach as they are beyond our communication scope. How frustrating to have to deal with this kind of mass brainwashing and not be able to counter the propoganda at all.

What can we do to deal with this? It's watching clips like this that make me more and more concerned about places like Iran attaining the potential for nuclear weapons.

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php

[cosmicalstorm]

Why are you worried about Iran and nuclear weapons?
If im not mistaken the Mullahs refused to use WMD's even when their own country was running a very real risk of being overrun by Saddams forces during the Iran-Iraq war.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

Why are you worried about Iran and nuclear weapons?
If im not mistaken the Mullahs refused to use WMD's even when their own country was running a very real risk of being overrun by Saddams forces during the Iran-Iraq war.

Haven't you heard? Why those evil MUZ-LIMS seek to corrupt the innocent minds of our God-fearing Christian chill'uns and contaminate our precious bodily fluids!

A cursory glance shows the film in question to be the typical right-wing knee-jerk "ZOMG, TEH EVIL MUZ-LIMS ARE COMING TO GET US!" (This is a film that is financed entirely by neoconservative interests, so this should come as no real surprise.)

Of course, the OP seems to nurse the equally idiotic notion that a nuclear Iran would promptly seek to blow up Jerusalem and unleash a horde of rabid Jihad-zombies on the West (removing the only things the Iranian populace dislikes more than the current regime. That'd be what we like to call a "career-limiting move" on their part.)

[Kanastrous]

Right now the only crew of religious whack-jobs with nukes that I know of, is in Washington, D.C...

[SirNitram]

This is a very disturbing look at Islam's equivalent of our Christian fundies. Unfortunately they are a lot more dangerous to us in the long run and very difficult to reach as they are beyond our communication scope. How frustrating to have to deal with this kind of mass brainwashing and not be able to counter the propoganda at all.

What can we do to deal with this? It's watching clips like this that make me more and more concerned about places like Iran attaining the potential for nuclear weapons.

The irony of the above is striking. Mass brainwashing, access to nukes, fanaticism, fundies, very difficult to reach from outside their 'world', not being able to counter the propaganda...

What you've described, in fact, is the modern Evangelical movement, right down to their self-insulating bubble against outside influences. Yet you claim 'They are alot more dangerous'. Why? What reason? Do you have any?

Islamic extremists are rare even in Islamic governments, as evidenced by the popularity of uprising against the local government by extremists. Christian extremists are presently in the White House. Why should we take your claim that a potential threat is more pressing than a manifest threat?

[Justforfun000]

Sir Nitram Wrote:

The irony of the above is striking. Mass brainwashing, access to nukes, fanaticism, fundies, very difficult to reach from outside their 'world', not being able to counter the propaganda...

What you've described, in fact, is the modern Evangelical movement, right down to their self-insulating bubble against outside influences. Yet you claim 'They are alot more dangerous'. Why? What reason? Do you have any?

Islamic extremists are rare even in Islamic governments, as evidenced by the popularity of uprising against the local government by extremists. Christian extremists are presently in the White House. Why should we take your claim that a potential threat is more pressing than a manifest threat?

While watching the video they had as the preview, I saw the great majority of it being actual newscasts on regular TV stations in Arab countries. Kindergarden students doing school shows advocating suicidal bombings, military leaders condemning America, Christians, atheists.

I'm certainly not defending our own more common Christian evangelical movements, but they simply don't compare in criteria to the sheer malevolence and direct call to arms that Islam does in these cases. I mean how many Christian leaders have been caught recently on top literally calling for DEATH to unbelievers, homosexuals, etc. This is far more intense and pervasive as a movement from what I see. It'd be one thing if this video was all commentary and opinion, but these are actual NEWSCASTS. Commonly played in the Islamic world and this is undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg.

I dearly hope that Iran is not going to be a serious problem, and maybe they are simply being caught up in the negative propoganda. I admit I'm not educated well enough to definitely say.

But don't any of you find these video images truly disturbing enough to warrant serious concern? I really can't disagree with the people commenting that this looks eerily similar to Nazi Germany.

Of course moderates will never be a serious problem. I thought I divided the line between those people and the fanaticals in the OP.

[Justforfun000]

Oh and I suppose I should have looked at the source of this video so I at least was aware. I just assumed for some reason this was some kind of new blockbuster flick they were previewing. Although to be fair, it's been mentioned here before that it's an Appeal to Motive Fallacy to point out something like the reason behind these people and their film. If their arguments and footage is accurate, then their axe to grind shouldn't really matter.

[SirNitram]

While watching the video they had as the preview, I saw the great majority of it being actual newscasts on regular TV stations in Arab countries. Kindergarden students doing school shows advocating suicidal bombings, military leaders condemning America, Christians, atheists.

I've seen videos of entire churches singing 'God Damn America', people weeping and touching a cutout of President Bush and praying to it. I've seen, with my own eyes, young children told abortion bombers are heros.

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I'm certainly not defending our own more common Christian evangelical movements, but they simply don't compare in criteria to the sheer malevolence and direct call to arms that Islam does in these cases. I mean how many Christian leaders have been caught recently on top literally calling for DEATH to unbelievers, homosexuals, etc. This is far more intense and pervasive as a movement from what I see. It'd be one thing if this video was all commentary and opinion, but these are actual NEWSCASTS. Commonly played in the Islamic world and this is undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg.

You are either a bald-faced liar or so amazingly uninformed about the present Evangelical movement that you have no credibility. I have, again, seen regular cries for death to atheists, Islamics, homosexuals, and the entire state of Israel so that Hagee can go to Heaven early.

I dearly hope that Iran is not going to be a serious problem, and maybe they are simply being caught up in the negative propoganda. I admit I'm not educated well enough to definitely say.

No, you aren't. You're woefully uninformed about every aspect of this, and merrily drank the neocon/evangelical kool-aid.

But don't any of you find these video images truly disturbing enough to warrant serious concern? I really can't disagree with the people commenting that this looks eerily similar to Nazi Germany.

Funny. Have they declared the Nazis were agents of 'God's Love' and that they were openly seeking to cause a second, bigger, 'magnificent' holocaust? Guess which religion did.

Of course moderates will never be a serious problem. I thought I divided the line between those people and the fanaticals in the OP.

Then you chugged down the 'EVAL MUSSLEMEN' propaganda like a twelve inch cock.

[Sea Skimmer]

Why are you worried about Iran and nuclear weapons?
If im not mistaken the Mullahs refused to use WMD's even when their own country was running a very real risk of being overrun by Saddams forces during the Iran-Iraq war.

Saddam never even came close to overrunning Iran, are you fucking nuts? The Iraqi offensive bogged down within 50 miles of the boarder in the first year of an eight year war, and when faced with only part of the Iranian peacetime military. Iraq its self didn’t use chemical weapons until after it had pulled back onto its own territory under pressure from Iran’s repeated counter offensive, and after one serious attempt at peace negotiations. Iran had a real good reason not to use chemical weapons, with almost no protective gear for its own troops they couldn’t be used without risking massive fratricide. They did however feel quite free to use waves of children to clear minefields around Basra, in some cases even roping them together into groups, clearly the strategy of a wise and caring government.

[cosmicalstorm]

Ok, that was a bad example, thanks for the heads up.

[Death from the Sea]

That movie refers to EXTREMIST Muslims, not your average Muslims. There is a large margin on difference between the two.

[Kanastrous]

Although it admittedly does seem easier, to find footage of large crowds in Muslim nations, screaming for blood over a depiction of Muhammad, than to find Christian mobs shrieking for payback over Buddy Jesus...

[Buddha]

I find Islamic Fundamentalism disturbing, but the praying to a cardboard cutout of Gerorge Bush is a little too weird. It is ironic that their "brothers and sisters" in South Korea constantly try to pray down Buddhist temples. The problem? Idolotry or so say the fundies in South Korea. I did however see the movie Obsession and noticed somthing. The whole movie is obsessed with giving it's own opinions and does not reflect the opposition. That's obssesed as far as I care to know.

[General Zod]

I find Islamic Fundamentalism disturbing, but the praying to a cardboard cutout of Gerorge Bush is a little too weird.

What makes praying to a cardboard cutout of Dubya any more weird than praying to the statue of a crucified 2,000 year old Jewish zombie?

[Kanastrous]

We have incontrovertible evidence that George W. Bush and his Works, are (alas) real?

[General Zod]

We have incontrovertible evidence that George W. Bush and his Works, are (alas) real?

So, according to your logic praying to someone who's proven to be real is weirder than praying to something that's completely imaginary? How exactly does this work?

[Justforfun000]

Ok. I concede. I guess it did bamboozle me with propoganda. I just found it really disturbing to see young children saying the things they were saying. I've never seen quite the same level in Christians or Jews personally, but maybe I just don't know where to look...

[Kanastrous]

We have incontrovertible evidence that George W. Bush and his Works, are (alas) real?

So, according to your logic praying to someone who's proven to be real is weirder than praying to something that's completely imaginary? How exactly does this work?

The mechanism is called "poor reading comprehension."

[wautd]

Why are you worried about Iran and nuclear weapons?
If im not mistaken the Mullahs refused to use WMD's even when their own country was running a very real risk of being overrun by Saddams forces during the Iran-Iraq war.

They did however feel quite free to use waves of children to clear minefields around Basra, in some cases even roping them together into groups, clearly the strategy of a wise and caring government.

Do you have a scource of that? Not that I have high esteem of fundies, but this sounds to me like a propaganda piece

[wautd]

I find Islamic Fundamentalism disturbing, but the praying to a cardboard cutout of Gerorge Bush is a little too weird.

Weird? When it happens in a country that has the arsenal to turn other countries into radioactive parking lots it gets fucking scary.

[Darth Wong]

While watching the video they had as the preview, I saw the great majority of it being actual newscasts on regular TV stations in Arab countries. Kindergarden students doing school shows advocating suicidal bombings, military leaders condemning America, Christians, atheists.

How many Americans display an almost fetishistic love of the military, and rally behind every offensive military action of the United States?

[Justforfun000]

Darth Wong Wrote:

How many Americans display an almost fetishistic love of the military, and rally behind every offensive military action of the United States?

This is true. Probably the only major difference between Christian fundamentalism and Islam is the the Christians are prominent in mostly secular based countries. Islam is flourishing under many theocratic regimes and this is undoubtedly bringing out the worst to the foreground. Still this thread reassures me that it's not necessarily as severe as people are painting it to be.