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Ten years ago I could never have imagined I’d be doing this,” says Greg Pal, 33, a former software executive, as he squints into the late afternoon Californian sun. “I mean, this is essentially agriculture, right? But the people I talk to – especially the ones coming out of business school – this is the one hot area everyone wants to get into.”

He means bugs. To be more precise: the genetic alteration of bugs – very, very small ones – so that when they feed on agricultural waste such as woodchips or wheat straw, they do something extraordinary. They excrete crude oil.

Unbelievably, this is not science fiction. Mr Pal holds up a small beaker of bug excretion that could, theoretically, be poured into the tank of the giant Lexus SUV next to us. Not that Mr Pal is willing to risk it just yet. He gives it a month before the first vehicle is filled up on what he calls “renewable petroleum”. After that, he grins, “it’s a brave new world”.

Mr Pal is a senior director of LS9, one of several companies in or near Silicon Valley that have spurned traditional high-tech activities such as software and networking and embarked instead on an extraordinary race to make $140-a-barrel oil (£70) from Saudi Arabia obsolete. “All of us here – everyone in this company and in this industry, are aware of the urgency,” Mr Pal says.
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What is most remarkable about what they are doing is that instead of trying to reengineer the global economy – as is required, for example, for the use of hydrogen fuel – they are trying to make a product that is interchangeable with oil. The company claims that this “Oil 2.0” will not only be renewable but also carbon negative – meaning that the carbon it emits will be less than that sucked from the atmosphere by the raw materials from which it is made.

LS9 has already convinced one oil industry veteran of its plan: Bob Walsh, 50, who now serves as the firm’s president after a 26-year career at Shell, most recently running European supply operations in London. “How many times in your life do you get the opportunity to grow a multi-billion-dollar company?” he asks. It is a bold statement from a man who works in a glorified cubicle in a San Francisco industrial estate for a company that describes itself as being “prerevenue”.

Inside LS9’s cluttered laboratory – funded by $20 million of start-up capital from investors including Vinod Khosla, the Indian-American entrepreneur who co-founded Sun Micro-systems – Mr Pal explains that LS9’s bugs are single-cell organisms, each a fraction of a billionth the size of an ant. They start out as industrial yeast or nonpathogenic strains of E. coli, but LS9 modifies them by custom-de-signing their DNA. “Five to seven years ago, that process would have taken months and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars,” he says. “Now it can take weeks and cost maybe $20,000.”

Because crude oil (which can be refined into other products, such as petroleum or jet fuel) is only a few molecular stages removed from the fatty acids normally excreted by yeast or E. coli during fermentation, it does not take much fiddling to get the desired result.

For fermentation to take place you need raw material, or feedstock, as it is known in the biofuels industry. Anything will do as long as it can be broken down into sugars, with the byproduct ideally burnt to produce electricity to run the plant.

The company is not interested in using corn as feedstock, given the much-publicised problems created by using food crops for fuel, such as the tortilla inflation that recently caused food riots in Mexico City. Instead, different types of agricultural waste will be used according to whatever makes sense for the local climate and economy: wheat straw in California, for example, or woodchips in the South.

Using genetically modified bugs for fermentation is essentially the same as using natural bacteria to produce ethanol, although the energy-intensive final process of distillation is virtually eliminated because the bugs excrete a substance that is almost pump-ready.

The closest that LS9 has come to mass production is a 1,000-litre fermenting machine, which looks like a large stainless-steel jar, next to a wardrobe-sized computer connected by a tangle of cables and tubes. It has not yet been plugged in. The machine produces the equivalent of one barrel a week and takes up 40 sq ft of floor space.

However, to substitute America’s weekly oil consumption of 143 million barrels, you would need a facility that covered about 205 square miles, an area roughly the size of Chicago.

That is the main problem: although LS9 can produce its bug fuel in laboratory beakers, it has no idea whether it will be able produce the same results on a nationwide or even global scale.

“Our plan is to have a demonstration-scale plant operational by 2010 and, in parallel, we’ll be working on the design and construction of a commercial-scale facility to open in 2011,” says Mr Pal, adding that if LS9 used Brazilian sugar cane as its feedstock, its fuel would probably cost about $50 a barrel.

Are Americans ready to be putting genetically modified bug excretion in their cars? “It’s not the same as with food,” Mr Pal says. “We’re putting these bacteria in a very isolated container: their entire universe is in that tank. When we’re done with them, they’re destroyed.”

Besides, he says, there is greater good being served. “I have two children, and climate change is something that they are going to face. The energy crisis is something that they are going to face. We have a collective responsibility to do this.”
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*can consume anything, from sugar cane to garbage

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Hah, if that works, that's great. Also, I would not want to be in the same room as the smugness from the lolbertarians if it turns out that the free market really did lead the way out of peak oil and climate change (well, they don't believe in anthropogenic global warming as a rule, but you get the idea). :lol:
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I'll believe it when I see it, and while this is good news it could also cause people to start slacking off on the steps necessary to adapt to climate change.
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Fascinating. I wonder if there's enough agricultural waste to make sufficient quantities of oil on a large scale.
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Carbon negative? I believe I speak for all when I say holy shit.
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SirNitram wrote:Carbon negative? I believe I speak for all when I say holy shit.
I totally missed that first time around. That's INSANE! Of course, 100 years from now we'll have people bemoaning that CO2 levels are too low.

It would be nice, though, if we could use a carbon-negative fuel to get us back into balance while we're switching over to an electric or hydrogen-powered automobile paradigm.
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SirNitram wrote:Carbon negative? I believe I speak for all when I say holy shit.
I know. This is up there with "oh hey, we found aliens" on my "Fuck yeah!" scale. Only way this could rock harder would be if it was playing "Ironman" with its teeth while the guitar was on fire.
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This looks to be a very exciting area to watch. I wish it success, but I just can't help but think that all this environmentalism awareness is going to evaporate when this becomes successful. After all, who cares about burning gas when we can just make more?
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Yeah, if this isn't a bunch of overblown hype.
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I expect this'll be the last time we ever hear of this.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Fascinating. I wonder if there's enough agricultural waste to make sufficient quantities of oil on a large scale.
If they can do it with Kudzu feed that to them. Short of napalming the area that stuff's almost impossible to get rid of.
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Ahh, I so adore breathless stories about spunky start-ups that are long on enthusiastic masturbation and short on critical thinking. It's all very nice, but they're currently at the stage where they're lucky to get 0.14 barrels of oil per day, and don't even know if what they're doing will even be able to begin delivering on all this breathlessly optimistic speculation about its capabilities.

And, at the moment, all we have is breathless speculation. What will be of greater interest is if they can succeed in scaling up to industrial scales in the promised timeframe (2010 - 2011,) and if the technology can be scaled up quickly enough to soften the landing post-Peak Oil. And there is that small problem of this process competing with other users of biomass (If you're using cultivatable land to grow cellulose to make oil out of, you're not using it for other things, like growing food, or leaving it alone to preserve habitat.)

Also, doing some quick BOTE math by their quoted numbers, this stuff will have a much higher EROI than biodiesel, but will still be a bit less competitive than ethanol from sugarcane, and oil from palms. That means that it, like every other scheme to produce liquid fuels from biomass, is not a silver bullet that will magically fix all our energy problems. The best it could do is make the coming energy crunch hurt less.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Yeah, if this isn't a bunch of overblown hype.
Why do I get the feeling that if this pans out you'll almost be disappointed? Turning garbage to oil with bacteria isn't a new idea, it just hasn't been made practical yet. It's not an enormous stretch that someone may have figured out how to do it.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Yeah, if this isn't a bunch of overblown hype.
Why do I get the feeling that if this pans out you'll almost be disappointed?
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
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Gil Hamilton wrote:Why do I get the feeling that if this pans out you'll almost be disappointed?
Which brings me to my next point: where's the admiral?
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Galvatron wrote:
Gil Hamilton wrote:Why do I get the feeling that if this pans out you'll almost be disappointed?
Which brings me to my next point: where's the admiral?
Sneeking into the facility to execute the scientists and blow up their work? :wink:

Though IIRC he is in the biotech industry, he might be able to shed some light on this.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Also, doing some quick BOTE math by their quoted numbers, this stuff will have a much higher EROI than biodiesel, but will still be a bit less competitive than ethanol from sugarcane, and oil from palms.
Given that it says nothing about how much feedstock goes in to produce a given volume of oil and the fact it extracts some of the carbon from air precludes it from being 1:1, I am interested in how you made that EROI calculation. And seeing as how ethanol requires a whole new transport infrastructure and this an unspecified scale up, I am really curious as to how you were able to figure out how competitive it would be relative to the other two.
Chris OFarrell wrote:Though IIRC he is in the biotech industry, he might be able to shed some light on this.
I thought he was a teacher. Or is that RI?
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Funny I recall reading about a simular trick with using bacterium to eat crude in the event of oil spills getting axed by ADM, back in the 80s. fear the biotech companies that don't pay off your politicians.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Yeah, if this isn't a bunch of overblown hype.
Why do I get the feeling that if this pans out you'll almost be disappointed?
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
No, it means that I'll get to raise a family, get to help my friends who need it, and get to have a full and normal life with those I love. So I sure as shit am not going to be disappointed if the world averts a complete crisis.
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Ender wrote:I thought he was a teacher. Or is that RI?
RI is a teacher. As far as I know Valdemar's ejumacation was in Biology. I believe he works in the BioTech industry as well.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Gil Hamilton wrote: Why do I get the feeling that if this pans out you'll almost be disappointed?
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
No, it means that I'll get to raise a family, get to help my friends who need it, and get to have a full and normal life with those I love. So I sure as shit am not going to be disappointed if the world averts a complete crisis.
Glad to know I was wrong. :)
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Chris OFarrell wrote:Sneeking into the facility to execute the scientists and blow up their work? :wink:
He'll have to kill Aerius/J first to do it.
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In fact that would make a great comedic fanfic...

Someone somewhere has invented a car that actually burns water, causing several assassination squads to converge onto the hapless inventor's house:

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-The Saudi Aramco Squad.
-The Aerius/J Squad
-The Valdemar Special Squad
-The Zeonic Squad

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. :D
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Sounds almost too good to be true.

However, even with the assumption it's all true, there's still going to be quite a time gap from this newly discovered capability to mass production/implementation of it.
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I think implementation of this isn't going to be in gigantic centralized vats producing black gold, but more like a small machine in every household that you feed grass clippings and kitchen scraps and whatnot, and fill up your own gas tanks with.

That is, of course, if it can actually produce gasoline, and not crude oil, using these bacteria.
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