Doctor Who SE30E10: "Midnight"
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Sky's girlfriend jumped out at me too, but only because I thought they were setting up lame "your flirting won't work" joke - which, this being RTD, wouldn't surprise me at all.
I still don't understand how you can take that remark and think it's some sort of sign that the Secret Gay Agenda is trying to brainwash you. It's not like we haven't had LBGT characters in Who before, it's not like we haven't seen them on TV before, it's certainly not like they're rare in real life.
I still don't understand how you can take that remark and think it's some sort of sign that the Secret Gay Agenda is trying to brainwash you. It's not like we haven't had LBGT characters in Who before, it's not like we haven't seen them on TV before, it's certainly not like they're rare in real life.
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Part of it may also be that every time the Doctor does his usual schtick of "trust me, I know what I'm doing" tings get worse.Zixinus wrote:The strange thing would have been if people DID act perfectly calm and rational. I mean, first the bus's side is knocked against from a landscape that is supposedly completely inhabitable for almost any lifeform. Then one of them is apparently possessed in a pretty frightening way. Then there is this strange guy who doesn't give his own fucking name and might be an alien.
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It is my considered opinion that only homophobic wankers give a fuck about how other homophobic wankers might react.Tychu wrote: You guys didn't take my meaning of the whole homosexual thing correctly. What I was talking about was that just like in every other RTD story he throws in a homosexual reference just for sh*ts and giggles. The fact that Skye was a lesbian played no other role. As Plekhanov mentions, the purpose was to show that she was fragile at the time is correct. All I was saying was that saying that she was a homosexual didn't matter and that in all of RTD's stories he does something similar along those lines. Thats all I was getting at with the homosexual references made by RTD. Maybe in Britain the fact that characters are gay makes the episodes more exciting but dosen't do that for some Americans and others will just be plain mad
The only possible way your post makes any sense is if you make the assumption that homosexualism is less savoury than heterosexualism. Personally, I was greatly fucking offended that RTD showed his blatant heterosexual bias by having a heterosexual couple on board the ship, for no great reason. He's obviously a closet heterosexual.
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But that's fine, as long as they don't ram it down our throats by, you know, doing normal stuff that other couples do.Bounty wrote: I still don't understand how you can take that remark and think it's some sort of sign that the Secret Gay Agenda is trying to brainwash you. It's not like we haven't had LBGT characters in Who before, it's not like we haven't seen them on TV before, it's certainly not like they're rare in real life.
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I liked the episode, just because it gave the actors more room to play instead of a bombastic acoustic/FX wank-fest people act before. Sometimes reduction is good.
And, as a gay, I think it is a sign of normalcy to have a character that just happens to be gay. What could possibly be bad about it? This is just ridiculous.
Should I feel offended just because almost all people in TV shows are straight?
And, as a gay, I think it is a sign of normalcy to have a character that just happens to be gay. What could possibly be bad about it? This is just ridiculous.
Should I feel offended just because almost all people in TV shows are straight?
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Indeed. The homosexual reference didn't strike me as a problem at all. It seems surprising because of our culture, not because there's anything logically wrong with it. I should hope it's completely accepted in society by the year 3xxx...
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I didn't even notice the gay thing. Just sort of a non-note. "Oh, she's a lesbian. File that under 'not really all that important'".
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Well RTD acknowledges that David Troughton's character is something of a pompous fraud, while Dee Dee Blasco is likely the real brains out of the two, showing more insight and initiative in the situation, but she just had a weaker personality than Prof. Hobbes (who ended up scoffing her when she tried to correct him and defend the possessed Doctor). Also I don't mind the Doctor for time to time bumping into the complete unknown, like he did with Satan or even the Weeping Angels, since he probably got all their info just from Sparrow's notes (the Time Lords very likely heard about the Midnight solar system but not of what dwelled there).mr friendly guy wrote: Keep in mind it was the professor who kept on mentioning that. It seemed that he was a foil for the doctor, making claims based on his limited scientific knowledge. In fact he seemed to be the stereotypical scientist as potrayed in tv, and not like a real one - ie unlike real scientist he refuses to change his views despite the evidence.
I didn't bat an eyelid at Sky recently breaking up with a female lover, making much more of the hybrid meat she was eating (and besides sexual orientation and sexual organs could likely be changed at the flip of a switch in this future era).
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Having finished watching this episode, I came out of it feeling more aggravated than actually enjoying it. Suffering from idiots in real life is enough for me, thank you.mr friendly guy wrote:2) Why the complaints against the stupid passengers? It was obvious they were either stupid or panicking or both. If a main character of a show acted stupid just for plot contrivance (Star trek I am looking at you) then its a let down. Having average joes act stupid like, oh I don't know, 99% of the population seems normal to me.
Maybe I have become jaded being on this board and hearing about the stupidity in the world board members encounter in real life or hear about, but frankly seeing people do stupid things instead of the smart things seems quite realistic to me.
Even then, the main scene I truly enjoyed is when the Doctor became the enemy after he wouldn't give up his name and all. That was a good turnaround of the usual fare.
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I've been away for the last three weeks, so I've only just been catching up with my sister's recordings of the series. Just watched this and the library two parter.
This was pretty much a great episode. Clearly written as an elevator episode to save effects money. (the whole thing was what, two sets, and three exterior shots?)
Yes, the getting freaked at the repeating thing went on a bit long but it wasn't near so grating as the Doc's future girl in the library episodes.
Well scripted and neat look at people's paranoia getting the better off them.
I'm still not clear, was the creature supposed to be making them more aggravated? Or was that just good old human nature?
This was pretty much a great episode. Clearly written as an elevator episode to save effects money. (the whole thing was what, two sets, and three exterior shots?)
Yes, the getting freaked at the repeating thing went on a bit long but it wasn't near so grating as the Doc's future girl in the library episodes.
Well scripted and neat look at people's paranoia getting the better off them.
I'm still not clear, was the creature supposed to be making them more aggravated? Or was that just good old human nature?
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As usual, I'm a couple weeks late in seeing this episode where I live.
Actually, for some of us Americans it came across as "Oh dear - she ended a personal relationship and ho-hum, she's a lesbian as well as a blonde and she speaks with an accent and is Caucasian." In other words, no big deal, no more startling than her height or ethnicity or clothes or any other characteristic.
And for all we know, she's not homosexual - she could be bi-sexual or even pan-sexual like Captain Jack. We've seen episodes where humans marry and mate with other species, compared to that you'd think a little homosexual activity would be a non-event. C'mon, the hostess keeps saying "Ladies and gentlemen and variations of same" or some such. Vanilla homosexuality is probably as of much significance in the portrayed society as whether or not someone is right or left handed.
Back to the actual story --
I liked the bit about the Doctor taking the "tourist bus". We've heard on other episodes about him and his companions playing tourist but we don't really get to see it. I see nothing incongruous with him taking the tourist trip. The Doctor travels to combat loneliness and to experience the universe, he can't do that if he hides in the TARDIS.
Yeah, I thought the lack of means to see outside was weird. The lack of vision for the drivers didn't bother me - "blind" navigation is routine for aircraft in our world, using computers and instruments to navigate a set route on a hostile alien planet does not strike me as far-fetched.
I started getting a little annoyed with the repetition. Yeah, I get it, the alien repeats. I did, however, enjoy that there was mystery left at the end of the episode. The Doctor is uber-powerful, but he's also still vulnerable to physical harm. He's powerful, but mortal.
Over all, a change of pace and pretty tightly written.
Maybe in the UK it's just not an issue the way it is in the US? I mean, they do have gay marriage in the UK, they're much more sensible about this than the US.Tychu wrote:Maybe in Britain the fact that characters are gay makes the episodes more exciting but dosen't do that for some Americans and others will just be plain mad
Actually, for some of us Americans it came across as "Oh dear - she ended a personal relationship and ho-hum, she's a lesbian as well as a blonde and she speaks with an accent and is Caucasian." In other words, no big deal, no more startling than her height or ethnicity or clothes or any other characteristic.
And for all we know, she's not homosexual - she could be bi-sexual or even pan-sexual like Captain Jack. We've seen episodes where humans marry and mate with other species, compared to that you'd think a little homosexual activity would be a non-event. C'mon, the hostess keeps saying "Ladies and gentlemen and variations of same" or some such. Vanilla homosexuality is probably as of much significance in the portrayed society as whether or not someone is right or left handed.
Back to the actual story --
I liked the bit about the Doctor taking the "tourist bus". We've heard on other episodes about him and his companions playing tourist but we don't really get to see it. I see nothing incongruous with him taking the tourist trip. The Doctor travels to combat loneliness and to experience the universe, he can't do that if he hides in the TARDIS.
Yeah, I thought the lack of means to see outside was weird. The lack of vision for the drivers didn't bother me - "blind" navigation is routine for aircraft in our world, using computers and instruments to navigate a set route on a hostile alien planet does not strike me as far-fetched.
I started getting a little annoyed with the repetition. Yeah, I get it, the alien repeats. I did, however, enjoy that there was mystery left at the end of the episode. The Doctor is uber-powerful, but he's also still vulnerable to physical harm. He's powerful, but mortal.
Over all, a change of pace and pretty tightly written.
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I agree. Donna's an insensitive idiot, and the Doctor's haunted look just sells the whole episode over again.Admiral Valdemar wrote:I find the ending did it for me. It shows you a whole different Doctor to what you normally see, like at the end of Moffat's library two-parter.
The whole silliness about a single pronoun in a single unimportant line makes me laugh. That anyone even really noticed surprises me; it's just a bit of background fluff.