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80% of Americans Belive we are heading in wrong direction

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WASHINGTON — Wherever the nation should be headed, this isn't it.

The number of Americans who believe the country is moving in the wrong direction has risen sharply, to nearly eight in ten, amid soaring food and gas prices, falling home values and unending war. Just 17 percent say the country is going in the right direction, according to an AP-Ipsos poll.

The right-direction number is the lowest ever recorded by the survey, which began in 2003. When other surveys are taken into account, the general level of pessimism is the worst in almost 30 years.

And it's getting worse. The 17 percent positive reading was down from 24 percent just since April.


Those who said the country was on the wrong track totaled 76 percent of the people contacted in the survey, which was taken from June 12-16. That's up from 71 percent in April and 66 percent near the end of 2007.

Six in ten of those who chose wrong track blamed the struggling economy, with gasoline prices hovering above $4 a primary reason. "Poor leadership" accounted for 23 percent, while 20 percent said the war in Iraq.

Robert Ovitt, 57, of Derby, Vt., who describes himself as a political independent, was among those who selected "wrong track."

"It scares me, the way things are going now," said Ovitt, who is facing retirement in the next five years from his job as a correctional officer.


"Ten years ago, we had a Democratic president, Clinton," and the worst that happened was his affairs, Ovitt said. Back then, gas prices, interest rates, unemployment and the federal budget deficit were low, he said. "Now that we have a Republican, everything is sky high. ... I mean I don't know how we're going to survive."


Shirley J. Bailey, 70, of Las Vegas, is already retired. The former Los Angeles dentist, who worked as a precinct captain for Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, said, "People are struggling to live and educate their children." Married with four children and 11 grandchildren, Bailey said, "Just look around us. In my entire lifetime, I never paid $4.23 for a gallon of gas. The foreclosures are among the highest here in Las Vegas."

President Bush's approval rating was 29 percent in the poll, near his all-time low of 28 percent in April, while 67 percent said they disapproved of the way he was handling his job.

Congress, under Democratic control since January 2007, drew even lower approval ratings: 23 percent approved, 72 percent disapproved, roughly the same levels as in the April survey.

Asked about their party affiliation, 37 percent identified themselves as Democrats, 23 percent said they were Republicans and 23 percent said independents. That breakdown underscores the importance of independents in the presidential contest as both Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama court their support.

Software consultant April Dolan, 40, of Scottsdale, Ariz., is a Republican who believes the country is heading in the right direction. "I'm optimistic in general, and I do believe that the economic situation will probably get better in the next 12 to 18 months. I believe it's going to turn around, it's just going to take some time," she said. "Not that everything I think is great. I mean, the oil prices are a nightmare."

She said she has two sons, one already in college and the other due to enter next year. She said she supports Bush and "I don't blame him for the state of the economy."

Many others appear to, however.


Asked about Bush's handling of the economy, 72 percent said they disapproved, 48 percent strongly so; 24 percent said they approved, 7 percent strongly.


The survey reinforces the notion that consumers are particularly gloomy _ possibly more than economic statistics justify. Despite record energy costs, slumping stock prices and the housing and credit crunch, reports show the economy to be still growing, if slowly. Inflation and interest rates remain at relatively tame levels. And the unemployment rate is lower than it was during the past two recessions, in 1990 and 2001.

Still, "For the average American, everything's going wrong. I think there's a lot of reasons for households to be pessimistic. I think things have gotten tougher for most," said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Economy.com.

The survey results also parallel the drop in a consumer confidence index to the lowest level since June 1980, when Jimmy Carter was in the White House and consumers were being battered by a recession and soaring gasoline prices.

Among the findings of the AP-Ipsos survey:

_Men were more likely than women to think that the U.S. is headed in the right direction _ 20 percent to 14 percent.


_Just one in 10 Americans with household incomes below $25,000 feel the country is headed the right way compared with 21 percent of those with household incomes of $50,000 to $75,000.


_One-quarter of Republicans (including those who said they were leaning Republican) believe the country is headed in the right direction, compared with 11 percent of Democrats (including those leaning Democratic).

_People with lower incomes were more likely to frame the economic situation as their own "cost of living," while wealthier people listed the economy more abstractly _ a sign that those hurting the most personalize the issue a bit more.

People in the AP-Ipsos survey were asked: "Generally speaking, would you say things in this country are heading in the right direction, or are they off on the wrong track?" The survey entailed interviews with 1,000 adults, 785 of them registered voters. It had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points for all respondents, 3.5 percent for registered voters.

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Associated Press Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson, and AP Writer Christine Simmons contributed to this report.
They broke 22%! The Blind 22% who vote Republican or Democrat regardless of it's Xenu VS Jesus, ladies and gentlemen, to all non-American residents that is huge.

There exists a good 22%-25% of the US population(On both sides) who unless they will lining people up and shooting them in the street would still vote Republican. The so called "base" of the party,

It's within the margine of error of the poll but we might just have cracked the unthinking portion of the population on the Republican side. What's also illunimating is how people percieve the Congress, IE lower approval than Bush, which should be a fucking clue to the Democrats(Who hold power in both houses) to stop fucking giving Bush everything he asks for.

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Potentially stupid question: Are the members of the "22%" that are disapproving because of tWat and his utter fuck ups or because they realize that Obama is going to president and they think that's the wrong direction?

The reason I ask is that, well, I live in Texas so I get exposed to all kinds of bullshit like hearing a co-worker tell another about something Charles Barkley said. Something to the effect of, "The poor have been voting Democrat for 50 years and they're still poor," with the response being, "Oh, that's sooo true!" These are the same jackasses that complain about gas prices and how people are going to be voting for Obama (who is apparently an idiot and totally unqualified because he said something they felt was stupid about economics).

You see where I'm coming from though?
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Somehow, the polls smack of political idiocy.

Right, gas prices would be fixed by a "new" government, this despite it being regulated by world supply and demand. Ditto for food prices.
Clinton was lucky, in the sense that he got in when the recession was begining to correct itself, and through hard work and policy, lifted America up, although his and Greenspan policies led to the biggest bubble in US history.
Somehow, I don't think the next US president is going to be on the upswing of the business cycle, at least, not until his term is half over.
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Unfortunately, just because people don't like Bush, doesn't mean they won't vote McCain. Some people in this country are so god-damned stupid they don't see the consequences of voting Republican in this election. Take these numbers with a grain of salt.
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PainRack wrote:Somehow, the polls smack of political idiocy.

Right, gas prices would be fixed by a "new" government, this despite it being regulated by world supply and demand. Ditto for food prices.
Clinton was lucky, in the sense that he got in when the recession was begining to correct itself, and through hard work and policy, lifted America up, although his and Greenspan policies led to the biggest bubble in US history.
Somehow, I don't think the next US president is going to be on the upswing of the business cycle, at least, not until his term is half over.
What country doesn't currently have hoardes of morons calling for the guv'mint to fix dem gas prices right now gosh-darnit? People just don't "get" that the price is up because supply hasn't gone up but demand has. I mean clearly it must be those damn oil cartels, the government should put them in their place! I've tried explaining supply and demand to people whenever this bullshit gets brought up lately but just get a wall of "your wrong, those damn oil company's are ripping us off!" It's not just stupidity, it's willful ignorance, far more dangerous.

A large percentage of people are expecting the government to "fix" oil prices "any day now" rather than face reality. It's not surprising that they also think a new government would do a better job of putting the oil cartel in their place. Honestly, I used to be a big supporter of pure democracy, but after seeing the sheer stupidity of the average voter it now seems more like a nightmare.
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I find that unintelligent people always think a PERSON or PEOPLE are to blame rather than natural factors.
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I don't think the swing in the polls was so much "people finally realizing what Bush and the republicans are about" as much as "AARP is dying off and younger voters are not happy with the country they are being left."
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To go with Xeriar, I think a lot of Baby Boomers are going to be very upset when they are pushed out of the scene and their children and grandchildren tell them to fuck off because of the problems their lack of responsibility has caused for us. I have been able to vote for 5 years. I voted democrat in the last election. For 8 years we have been fucked over by the poor choices of others. Everyone under 26 really didn't have a say for Bush. And we are going to pay 10 years down the line when we are trying to raise our families, figure out how to put our kids through college. And when the baby boomers who took out loans to buy stupid houses, cringe at the gas prices their SUVs created, and whine about how the politicians they raised are idiots, their rightly deserved Fuck You! will come.
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Shinova wrote:I find that unintelligent people always think a PERSON or PEOPLE are to blame rather than natural factors.
Individuals and groups responsible for crafting policy, can certainly be to legitimate objects of blame when they craft poor policy concerning resources whose availability is constrained by natural factors.
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Shinova wrote:I find that unintelligent people always think a PERSON or PEOPLE are to blame rather than natural factors.
They need a face they can hate. Complex socio-political situation causing violent outbursts ? No ! Put the face of Bin Laden to it and you can have something as retarded as a military invasion against an idea. I am pretty sure if you assign similar faces you can have wars on recession, price hikes, bad video games or anything no matter how absurd it might be.
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Besides, it's easier to put a mark on a piece of paper or punch a button at a voting machine once every 2-4 years and then blame someone else for all the problems resulting than actually do anything yourself. My father voted for Bush in both elections and is going to vote for McCain because he absolutely cannot wrap his mind around the possibility that a Democrat might actually be right. The closest he's come to questioning the Republican Party is telling them that he's not going to donate money to them anymore...because they aren't supporting Bush enough.

He blames everything on those "damned commie pinko fags" in the Democratic party, despite the Republicans having been in the Presidency for 8 years and the House and Senate for quite a while as well.

Global warming? Utter fiction. After all, we aren't experiencing notable temperature increases (a mere one or two degrees farenheit doesn't matter after all) so global warming must be a nonissue.

Peak oil? "Bah, do you know what the Texas oil reserves are like? We have more than enough for..."

The hilarious part is when I mention an issue to him like people trying to prevent the teaching of evolution in schools, he starts getting mad and ranting about the damned Democrats, then when I point out the people responsible for that particular insanity are all ultra-conservatives he just kind of tapers off and changes the subject.
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Jaevric wrote:<snip>
I don't think there's any nice way to put this: Your dad's a fucking idiot.

Course he fits right in with a good sized chunk of the population... not that that's a good thing.
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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:I don't think there's any nice way to put this: Your dad's a fucking idiot.

Course he fits right in with a good sized chunk of the population... not that that's a good thing.
No argument from me, at least when it comes to politics. Which is why I don't talk politics when I'm around him; it just pisses both of us off. Him because he can't grasp why anyone would disagree with him about anything and me because I know he's not stupid in the sense of being unintelligent, he's stupid in the sense of being completely unwilling to use his intelligence to question his own beliefs.
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Jaevric wrote:
Oni Koneko Damien wrote:I don't think there's any nice way to put this: Your dad's a fucking idiot.

Course he fits right in with a good sized chunk of the population... not that that's a good thing.
No argument from me, at least when it comes to politics. Which is why I don't talk politics when I'm around him; it just pisses both of us off. Him because he can't grasp why anyone would disagree with him about anything and me because I know he's not stupid in the sense of being unintelligent, he's stupid in the sense of being completely unwilling to use his intelligence to question his own beliefs.
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If you have ever met a truly religious person who manages to function above the level of a McDonald's grill-wiper (no offense intended, to McDonald's grill-wipers), then you have met a religious person with intelligence (and at this point, faith in Bush's ability to lead or manage, is about as much of a stretch as faith in transubstantiation).

Religious and Intelligent are miscible, so long as there's also a good proportion of Crazy.
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Kanastrous wrote:If you have ever met a truly religious person who manages to function above the level of a McDonald's grill-wiper (no offense intended, to McDonald's grill-wipers), then you have met a religious person with intelligence (and at this point, faith in Bush's ability to lead or manage, is about as much of a stretch as faith in transubstantiation).

Religious and Intelligent are miscible, so long as there's also a good proportion of Crazy.
In my own experience, religiosity and intelligence are miscible only when religion is kept out of the conversation. Bring up the believer's religion and almost and semblance of the rational person you think you know goes out the window, "How do you know you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ", "I just know it in my heart". I have a few friend's who are for the most part perfectly rational (expect one doesn't believe in Quantum Theory. . .), but when it comes to their faith, they go bonkers.
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It's possible to be both intelligent, and irrational. Hell, it's not just possible, it's common.
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Kanastrous wrote:It's possible to be both intelligent, and irrational. Hell, it's not just possible, it's common.
What seems to be uncommon is people realizing, or admitting, even to themselves, that they are being irrational. Some do it, I've seen it on this board, and I do it all the time, but not many. Also, based on personal experience, people don't believe it when you say that you are fully aware that a particular course of action is self-defeating/irrational/stupid, if you engage in it anyway.
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Count Dooku wrote:I have a few friend's who are for the most part perfectly rational (expect one doesn't believe in Quantum Theory. . .),
Just let them know that this means that they don't believe in lasers.
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Or cellular telephones, or microprocessors, ad nauseum. What an imbecile.
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