Amazing fan edit of ANH

[Kurgan]

Which "head bumping" stormtrooper are you referring to? I don't quite recall that one.

When Luke & friends are in the trash compacter, a squad of stormtroopers bursts through the door to the control room where R2 and 3PO are hiding.

As they walk in, in the right of the frame, a taller stormtrooper extra quite obviously bumps his head on the top edge of the door frame. It just so happens that as this occurs the center trooper says "see to him" leading to an accidentally comical moment.

Fans have pointed out this gaffe for years, so much so, that in 2004, Lucas added an extra "bong" sound effect to the moment and "canonized" it by claiming, in the same audio commentary, that this was a genetic defect inherited from Jango Fett. In Episode II's DVD audio commentary (released in Nov 2002), during the scene where the Slave I is taking off from Kamino after the fight between Obi-Wan and Jango, we see Jango bump his head on the top of the door in the ship as he gets inside... and Lucas mentions this as well.

As far as the "incoherence" I wouldn't say that the voice was ever that big a deal. Lucas created this inconsistency when he decided to do the backstory and presentation of Boba, invent Jango, and the Clones-Stormtroopers connection. Now we've got people asking when Lucas is going to dub over the stormtrooper voices and other vigorously defending that they're not all Jango clones, or clones of anyone for that matter (to save the extensive EU materials that clearly never considered this possibility). It just sounds stupid now, and slaps you in the face with a reminder that Episode II and III exist now, every time you watch those scenes.

As for me, I dislike both the contradictions introduced by the Prequels AND shoddy presentation. The movie shouldn't have to suffer because Lucas made the story up as he went along.

[Kurgan]

Okay, I actually forgot to check this. The ultimate fan edit of Star Wars EVER, adywan's Star Wars Revisited DVD9 has been released.


Find it now on your favorite t0rrent site (PS: it's 7.6 gb in size, and don't let any mislabeled "purist" tags fool you).

adywan wrote:
Only a DVD-5 NTSC was released of the Purist and there won't be a PAL or DVD-9 versions I'm afraid

So get that?

You want:
DVD9 NTSC

Also available, but different:
-Xvid version (very OLD! many changes since this edition)

-"Purist" DVD5 (same as below, but with fewer audio changes, no extras, not even a menu, and no PAL version)

-NTSC/PAL DVD5 (this is the same as the DVD9, with a couple new tweaks, and far superior visuals, and NEW and improved extras)

-Xvid of the Purist edition, obviously much lower quality (apparently there's a 1 and 2 cd version of this)

-soundtrack (I haven't checked this out myself)



The DVD9 is listed as being posted "2 days ago" (it's after midnight here), and as a result it currently has few seeds. Good luck!

[Kurgan]

SPOILER:

Jar Jar gets blown up in the Alderaan explosion... on the extras

[Galvatron]

Where the hell can I download a working ISO of the DVD9??

[Elfdart]

Are they going to restore Sheilagh Fraser's voice for Aunt Beru? When they overdubbed Fraser's scenes, a little piece of my childhood died.

[Galvatron]

I thought it was a little weird too, but Adywan said that's the original voice dub from the monomix (whatever that means). Care to shed some light on that, Kurgan?

[Kurgan]

Are they going to restore Sheilagh Fraser's voice for Aunt Beru? When they overdubbed Fraser's scenes, a little piece of my childhood died.

I never know the actress's name to be honest (or the name of the woman who was used to dub over her lines).

I am a little confused, because originally I thought it was just a straight overdub, and that's why her lips don't quite match up with the lines. Then I thought I heard someone say that she was dubbed twice (as in, the original actress's lines are never heard in any version of the film).

Whatever the case is (I don't really know and it's late), I know that Adywan's SWR uses the voice that's on the monomix, which is one that most people haven't heard in over thirty years (and it does match up with the lip movements better).


As far as where to get it, the thread at OT.com has all the info you need (the commonly found plainfiles torrent is apparently glitched up and so there's a whole page of instructions on fixing it... the iso is supposedly perfect, but if you downloaded it already you don't have to get it again, just apply the fixes). I'm told that the PAL version had no such issues, and the newsgroups versions are glitch free (the problem occured because negativeone, the guy who first torrented it, messed with the files by accident).


As far as posting links, I wasn't sure that was allowed, but if you google it, you'll find it on the two main torrent sites. I don't use newsgroups, so I can't help you there, but again, originaltrilogy.com's Star wars Fan edit forum has a HUGE thread and if you ask there or go back a few pages you'll see all the info. Just keep in mind it's 7.6 gigs (7.8 when fixed) so it'll take awhile...

Very soon this one's going on the shelf next to my 2004 sad editions and my original so-good-have-been-better 2006ers (once I'm done watching it, that is!).

[Kurgan]

Oh yes, just in case I didn't really answer the question:

Three sound "mixes" came out for the film back in '77... the first being the 72mm six channel stereo, which not many theaters supported back then, followed soon after by the 35mm stereo and the mono mix.

The mono is rather unique compared to many of the others. It has the "shotgun" sounding blasters (which were used in the 1997 Special Edition, if you remember, for example in the "extend the bridge" scene), I forget which, but one of the sound mixes has Luke say "Blast it WEDGE" instead of "Blast it BIGGS" (I always get them switched around). There's various differences between the three.

When Star Wars finally came to home video, we didn't get any of these soundtracks, but a brand new one which (I think) Ben Burtt put together by mixing all three together. That was the default soundtrack most people got used to until 1997 (the THX enhanced versions in 1992-1995 were digitally remastered, back when that meant something, and I thought there were some differences, but now I'm not so sure, and without them all in front of me to compare, I can't say) when we got a bunch of changes. 2004, it changes again.

Interestingly enough, while the 2004 soundtracks are messed up (at least ANH is, with reversed channels and quieter music vs. sound effects for example in the Trench run scenes), you can tell that the different language versions are using different soundtracks. The Spanish and English tracks you can barely hear the force theme in the Trench assault, but on the French track you can here it just fine (like you always could).

I noticed too that on the 2006 bonus (GOUT) discs, although it's the usual home version mix, if you switch to the non-english tracks you get different soundtracks here too. For example, in the english version Greedo falls dead, done. But on I think the Spanish track, you hear his flesh sizzling on the table, just like the 1997 Special Edition.

Ideally, I'd like to see a fan edit that lets you pick any of the three original tracks. Apparently they're super hard to find, but fans have tried to reconstruct them from various recordings (including one where a guy took his big tape recorder into the theater when he was young).

This is pretty well documented elsewhere on the 'net (sites like starwarz.com iirc), so feel free to point out any errors or oversights in what I said.

[Kurgan]

I haven't burned the disc yet to test, but how to get to the easter eggs (on the DVD9) has been revealed by the author (edited out the riddles and reworded for clarity):

1. Go to the section on trailers, move down to trailer "number 1" and press "left" at the panel.

2. Go to special features mainpage with the fly by TIEs, highlight the Deleted scenes. Press right at the stormtrooper. His helmet will highlight.

[Galvatron]

SPOILER:

Jar Jar gets blown up in the Alderaan explosion... on the extras

I just saw it.

[Kurgan]

Can anyone recommend a reliable brand of DVD DL media (that hopefully doesn't cost an arm & a leg)?

[Kurgan]

Well, I ended up going with memorex (not the cheapest, but generally have been reliable for me).

Worked fine on my pc until I got to the layer break and then there was an awful 10 second pause followed but stuttering (had to fast forward or skip to fix it). I'm told that there's some editing that is recommended for the plainfiles version to fix the seamless layer break (this is all new to me since I've never burned a DL movie before). Certain older or cheap players can expect a slight pause. Hopefully I'll get it right on the second or third try.


Supposedly though this is all avoided if you download the pre-packed ISO and burn it with imageburn, instead of the plainfiles torrent.

But otherwise the movie looks and sound amazing. I love the isolated score (I wish more movies had that as a feature). The comparison effects angles of the Yavin battle are amazing (compare 1977, 2004 and 2008 versions). I need to track down some red & blue glasses to see Jabba in 3-D!

[Galvatron]

Are you joining me in my hopeless campaign to make this version the new canon?

[Kurgan]

First I've got to get the thing working... I got a disc, but it only plays on my pc. That's no good!

[Edit: It works now, see below!]

[Kurgan]

Okay, I finally got the DVD9 working.

See, the old "plain files" version that was posted was messed up. The author posted some complicated instructions for fixing it (including setting the layer break), that I tried to get to work without success. Two coasters later, I found that there was an ISO version floating around the torrent sites. This version works much more easily.

(Link removed, PM me if you need help find it, but it's really easy to locate on google)

Here is how I got it to work (using Memorex DVD+RL media, but it's up to you what you use).

1) Downloaded the ISO

2) Using Nero 5, I used the "Image Recorder" feature and created a Nero (NRG format) image from the ISO file.

3) Opened the NRG file and burned it to disc. I had it "verify" the image, and the burn was fine (verification failed and produced numerous errors, but the disc itself appears fine).

Note: I tested this with a cheap region-free Toshiba player and an old JVC player and neither could read the disc. However a Pioneer region free player played it flawlessly. Of course it played on all the PC DVD-ROM drives I tested it on, but your set top play may vary.

This was of course the NTSC version. On a small TV screen, the 3D Jabba deleted scene didn't look right (looks like it might only work on a PC monitor or maybe an HD-TV; and of course you need the red/blue glasses regardless).

[Kurgan]

Regarding ESBR (for anyone who missed it):

adywan wrote: Well Pre-production has started on ESB:Revisited. I'm just doing basic colour correction for now and then in a few months i will be starting the FX tests

Some changes that are planned so far for this edit:

Complete colour correction
New Emperor hologram so he looks more like he does in ROTJ than he does in the ROTS
Boba Fett's original voice restored
Shortened Wampa scene
Removed SE elements of Vaders shuttle leaving Bespin & docking with the Stardestroyer
More AT-AT's


Here's the Teaser trailer. please note that all elements are just concept ideas and are not finished FX

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK REVISITED TEASER TRAILER v2. MPEG APPROX 50MB


Here's a visual comparison between the basic colour correction (not final) for Revisited and the horrible colours in the 2004 DVD

Click here for pics


***New Clips***

Some clips to demonstrate the colour correction so far:
HOTH BATTLE COLOUR CORRECTION FIRST PASS VISUAL COMPARISON XVID 25mb Approx

NEW YODA CLIP- xvid

SPEEDER COCKPIT TRANSPARENCY TEST FIX

2 MINUTE OPENING SCENES PREVIEW

[Kurgan]

Watched all the clips... they're pretty cool. I recommend checking 'em out (though rapidshare's limits are annoying as crap).


I just grabbed the Purist Edition and am about to check it out (pity it's not available in DVD9 quality though!).

[Kurgan]

Sadly, it turns out what I thought was the Purist edition was actually just the regular DVD5 that someone mislabeled.

Demonoid claims to have it (the Purist DVD5), but requires an "invitation" to access it. If anyone has such information and would be happy to share, please send me a PM.

PS: Another site has it, but nobody is seeding.

[Kurgan]

Uh oh... Adywan plans to turn all the TIE fighters in ESB to GRAY (to match ANH).

Will someone please go over there and (respectfully) let him know this is a bad idea? I thought the point was that the gray TIEs were designated for the Death Star complement?

ESB Revisited Feedback Thread


So far nobody else has brought it up yet... and he won't respond to it if he thinks nobody cares. This decision will also affect ROTJ Revisited down the road, so it's important. Act now before he stops taking suggestions!

Thanks!

[Manus Celer Dei]

Fans have pointed out this gaffe for years, so much so, that in 2004, Lucas added an extra "bong" sound effect to the moment and "canonized" it by claiming, in the same audio commentary, that this was a genetic defect inherited from Jango Fett. In Episode II's DVD audio commentary (released in Nov 2002), during the scene where the Slave I is taking off from Kamino after the fight between Obi-Wan and Jango, we see Jango bump his head on the top of the door in the ship as he gets inside... and Lucas mentions this as well.

Bumping your head into doors is a genetic defect? What?

[Kurgan]

Apparently Lucas thinks so!

PS: Regarding ESB:R:

anyway here's a much longer preview (just under 9 mins & just under 80mb). Again its split screen and this contains 4 of the scenes that show just how horrible the 2004 colours actually are, plus some new tweaks (see if you can spot them ). the problem with doing these split screens is that the blue tint to the 2004 dvds seems to eliminate the blue tones in the revisited version a bit. oh well.

NEW 9MIN PREVIEW

I'm slowly but surely getting the Purist Edition off rapidshare (pity that, but it's better than nothing!).

Now I just wish some other people agreed with me that the blue TIE Fighters in ROTJ/ESB should stay!

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Can't you bring it up to him on your own?

Though honestly if he's the type who'd seriously decide it'd be a good idea to make TIE fighters in ESB white (the TIEs in SW are white only to resolve technical issues with blue screen photography: the fighters were originally supposed to be blue) then maybe he's not entirely the best sort of person to be helming a project like this. You'd think he would have done the research to prove him wrong.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Ugh, I have my doubts too, if his close fans are suggesting that you need Star Destroyer flying through the atmosphere in the background like on page 52. I mean Jesus, that was one of the painfully unrealistic and silly things in the PT, and what is the point? "Tie-in" contrivances for the sake of contrivance?

[Illuminatus Primus]

I also fail to see references to a gray vs. blue TIE debate on the page linked. What are you talking about?

[Kurgan]

Can't you bring it up to him on your own?

Spanky, long time no see! How are you? I just now remembered you are a fellow CRer. Did you make it through the flooding okay? My family only had minor issues, so that's a blessing.

As for the fan edit issue:

Seriously, I could, but I'm having problems with my account on that forum, and honestly, I'm just one guy... I was kinda hoping I wasn't the only person on the internet who thought it shouldn't be changed. If you'd like 'em to be gray though there's no reason to bother him, since that's his plan right now and nobody has yet challenged it in the thread. Btw, there's apparently a second thread just for suggestions to ESB.

Though honestly if he's the type who'd seriously decide it'd be a good idea to make TIE fighters in ESB white (the TIEs in SW are white only to resolve technical issues with blue screen photography: the fighters were originally supposed to be blue) then maybe he's not entirely the best sort of person to be helming a project like this. You'd think he would have done the research to prove him wrong.

Interesting point, I actually didn't know that, but it makes a lot of sense. I wonder if that's the reason we have green matte boxes around the TIEs in ROTJ? (then again I could be wrong, I vaguely remember seeing a green matte box in another of the movies as well, but maybe it wasn't ANH).

Someone was telling me the other day that because the TIEs are gray in all the games (I don't recall ever seeing a blue TIE in a video game, but then I haven't played every SW game known to man), that to them blue TIEs just looked wrong (I countered with the green crossbow bolt and blue ion cannon examples).

I also fail to see references to a gray vs. blue TIE debate on the page linked. What are you talking about?

IP, that IS the problem... there is no debate (yet). He just announced he was going to change it for the sake of continuity and nobody seemed to have a problem with it... now that info is buried. But he had no problem with the Walrusman flipper thing until someone (*cough*) complained and eventually it got changed for the better. That's why I'd appreciate someone pointing it out to him, and the more someones, the better (especially now at this early stage when he's still open to suggestions)!