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After all, it's some kind of target practice for the strategic aviation.
I have, but I didn't know Sparks was responsible for those webpages until I saw the "info" he posted on YouTube regarding submarine aircraft carriers, which reminded me of something I read about in Air-Mech-Strike. (I thought some of his ideas were cool, e.g., the M1 "pedestal tank" with an unmanned turret, but the added details on his webpage showed that he's hopelessly deluded about the feasibility of his proposed wank-tanks and wank-birds.)[R_H] wrote:Take a look at his (horribly organized and formatted) "Combat Reform" webpages.
I think Mr. Slade is trying to distinguish Julius Caesar from the Roman emperors who used "Caesar" as their title, e.g., Octavius/Augustus.Stas Bush wrote:Yeah, I think people can just use "caesar" most of the time.
IIRC, the US military has FAR MORE experience basing their aircraft outside of the continental United States, so they have the planning and logistic support systems in place to launch aircraft from airbases closer to the targets, e.g., in Iraq or Free Hell.And why do the Russians not send our bomber fleets to do some bombing in Hell?
I seriously doubt there are airfields capable of taking in the strategic bombers in Free Hell. Most of the flighst are done from the portal, at range, and as I understood, we can open them.IIRC, the US military has FAR MORE experience basing their aircraft outside of the continental United States
Humans can open very small, limited, and short-lived portals, which puts a heavy strain on the human creating it. The portals are only big enough to deliver small infantry teams or supplies, which is how Free Hell keeps supplied. If a bomber has to launch a strike, it has to go through the Hellmouth, though IIRC the humans are trying to open one in Hell's oceans to deploy carrier groups.Stas Bush wrote:I seriously doubt there are airfields capable of taking in the strategic bombers in Free Hell. Most of the flighst are done from the portal, at range, and as I understood, we can open them.IIRC, the US military has FAR MORE experience basing their aircraft outside of the continental United States
Ah, I see. That is a vulnerability quite surely... humans will need to be able to open more portalsIf a bomber has to launch a strike, it has to go through the Hellmouth
Umm, well put Mr Wong. On reflection the questions I asked of Stuart Mackey and my criticisms of him were utterly unfounded so I withdraw them unconditionally. The "wanker" tag I'll have to cop on the chin Mr Mackey as deserved in the circumstances.Darth Wong wrote:Methinks someone has a reading comprehension problem. The statement and your response to it did not match.JBG wrote:Why is Ceasar the "legitimate" ruler of free hell?Stuart Mackey wrote:Caesar is the 'legitimate' ruler of 2 million people in hell ...
In any case, this is a COALITION, and this Colonel undoubtedly realizes that in the absence of instructions to the contrary, human factions are all assumed to be on the same side. Caesar is the leader of a large human faction. Ergo, he should be considered part of the human coalition. Ergo, other coalition members are expected to work with him.
I enquired about OOBs and TOEs some time ago but I admit that such don't match the pace of this story. TBO or TLW or FFO, for instance, are better situations for such fascinating detail.Michael Garrity wrote:Greetings, all:
It would be most informative if comparative orders of battle for the Human and Infernal forces were to be listed. By this, I mean any and all forces engaged in the Hell campaign, to include those units performing airstrikes through the Hellmouth, and those humans operating in and from Free Hell.
The information could be further expanded to list KIA on both sides.
Mike Garrity
Well, i could write out these detailed orders of battle but then I'd have to stop writing the story while I did it. The human forces in hell OOB is changing hourly anyway as more forces pour in, the US and Iranians were first on the scene since they were closest and aircraft are arriving as fast as airbases capable of handlling them arrive (the Humans have everything from MiG-17s and F-105s to Typhoons, Rafales and F-22s flying in). Now, Indian, Chinese Japanese and SouthA merican units are beginning to show up.Michael Garrity wrote: It would be most informative if comparative orders of battle for the Human and Infernal forces were to be listed. By this, I mean any and all forces engaged in the Hell campaign, to include those units performing airstrikes through the Hellmouth, and those humans operating in and from Free Hell. The information could be further expanded to list KIA on both sides.
Hell is a huge area, arms dropped at random would fall into demon hands and that would be a very bad thing. Once humans have escaped and are out, they can be contacted, and a portal opened to them which then allows arms to be handed directly to them. Also, like everything else, its a question of available resources. Helciopters aren't really usable unless ahrpies are cleared out of the way first and transport aircraft are all tied down keeping the forces deployed in hell supplied. It's a massive undertaking; the human forces in hell are entirely mechanized and just keeping fuel flowing to them is a real problem.Kie99 wrote:Now there's a heavy human presence in Hell, could there not be an arms drop of some kind into Free Hell?
I'm seeing the growing problem for fighting heaven isn't going to be finding them, but rather keeping our guys supplied for the fight with heaven.Stuart wrote:Hell is a huge area, arms dropped at random would fall into demon hands and that would be a very bad thing. Once humans have escaped and are out, they can be contacted, and a portal opened to them which then allows arms to be handed directly to them. Also, like everything else, its a question of available resources. Helciopters aren't really usable unless ahrpies are cleared out of the way first and transport aircraft are all tied down keeping the forces deployed in hell supplied. It's a massive undertaking; the human forces in hell are entirely mechanized and just keeping fuel flowing to them is a real problem.Kie99 wrote:Now there's a heavy human presence in Hell, could there not be an arms drop of some kind into Free Hell?
" - bcoogler on this
One line already exists, the Berlin to Bagdad railroad was completed in 1918, and rail traffic can now cross the Bosporus by bridge along the way (they used to use a ferry). The Turkish railway system also connected into Syria, which has an additional connection into Iraq. IIRC a railway connection into the Turkish system also comes from Russia. However with such great distances, and mostly single track railroads most stuff is going to have to go by sea; though the existing railroads of Iraq could then be used to move it relatively close to the hellmouth. Far as I can tell that’s what the ‘highway to hell’ was for, connecting the gap from the closest Iraqi railroad to the hellmouth.Stas Bush wrote:Rail traffic into Hell might be advantageous if the campaign is long (which it certainly would be).
How possible it is to lay down rail from Baghdad into Europe?
It's too bad they can't liberate hundreds of thousands of targeted individuals (like deceased soldiers from the past wars of a given country, like America or Russia) en masse and then arm them, because they would probably be fairly controllable from a single chain of command, and their supply requirements would be greatly decreased because they don't need maintenance, food, spare parts, etc.Stuart wrote:Hell is a huge area, arms dropped at random would fall into demon hands and that would be a very bad thing. Once humans have escaped and are out, they can be contacted, and a portal opened to them which then allows arms to be handed directly to them. Also, like everything else, its a question of available resources. Helciopters aren't really usable unless ahrpies are cleared out of the way first and transport aircraft are all tied down keeping the forces deployed in hell supplied. It's a massive undertaking; the human forces in hell are entirely mechanized and just keeping fuel flowing to them is a real problem.Kie99 wrote:Now there's a heavy human presence in Hell, could there not be an arms drop of some kind into Free Hell?
Unless you are talking about something I am not aware of, or I missed part of the story, but, I thought Hell had no real waterways, and the only ocean is around the entire continent of Hell, so, where could naval stuff be used?Stas Bush wrote: Usual firearms could be shipped en masse by naval bulk traffic.
It might, but Mikhail will have to upgrade it from 7.62x39mm to something that'd actually kill Baldricks rather than just piss them off, like the 5.56mm M16 round did.I won't be amazed if AK-47 makes it's way to the emblem of Free Hell
I'm talking about getting containers full of guns, guns and more automatic guns into Iraq, where they'd be then transported in massive trains and cargo cars to Hellmouth.Unless you are talking about something I am not aware of
There are large-caliber AK-derived modifications. With Baldricks, I presume accuracy is less important than firepower - they are a good but sturgy target, much like a beast. The .458 is designed to kill the largest beasts of Africa; should workAn AK variant chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum, perhaps?
