Defiants vs. an ISD

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-26 01:06pm

Would a group of Defiant class starships be able to take on an ISD? It is shown that the DCS is highly maneverable, and it has been stated that turbolasers have problems targeting fast moving maneuverable craft. Would this give a group of, say, 5 Defiants any type of advantage over the ISD?

For the sake of argument, we will say that all ships have equal command capabilities.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-26 01:08pm

They'd die rather quickly. 200 gigaton heavy guns would shred the Defiants with a single shot and they have no hope of breaching the ISD's sheilds before they're dead themselves.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-26 01:09pm

The Quantum Torpedoes lack the firepower to penetrate any of the ISD's shield sections.

The ISD launches TIEs. The Bombers w/ proton torpedoes obliterate the Defiants if the ISD can't hit them.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2003-01-26 01:09pm

The ISD has a one hit one kill on those Defiants. All it needs to do is fire five times and the Defiants are clouds of gas.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2003-01-26 01:10pm

Their weapons would be virtually useless against an ISD, which is designed to handle gigaton-level weapons. Their maneuverability is OK, but a Star Destroyer's point-defense guns can reliably bracket the 40m long Falcon, and the Defiant is three times longer. They would be lucky to last one minute.

They could be dangerous if there were a lot more of them and they were being supported by another capship which pounds down the ISD's shields from a distance so that they can get in there and do some surgical strikes, but against a full-powered ISD they're toast.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2003-01-26 01:11pm

Nope, the firepower and sheilding discrepencies are still to overblown, and while ISD's have some trouble with fast, small, manuverable targets like fighters... DCS's are still 100 plus meters long, and ISD's rarely miss starfighters by more than a handful of meters.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-01-26 01:17pm

Alrighty, lets say there are 10 Defiants, Peregrine-Class Fighters for support and protection against fighters, and a large capship sitting off at a distance using phasers and torps at long range

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2003-01-26 01:31pm

Still not enough firepower by a huge margin... and the peregrines are about the size of the Falcon and relatively easy targets.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-26 01:46pm

You'd need a Rebel Star Cruiser to disable the shields, then maybe the Defiants could sweep in a knockout sensor towers, guns, etc w/ Q-torps. Not a good bet though.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-26 01:49pm

NF_Utvol wrote:Alrighty, lets say there are 10 Defiants, Peregrine-Class Fighters for support and protection against fighters, and a large capship sitting off at a distance using phasers and torps at long range

A Federation capship's phasers and torps would be a waste of time. You need a capship with Imperial technology.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-26 01:52pm

A single capship? That won't fly at all, the ISDs got range far beyond that of a Fed capship, so it's dead anyways.

The Deifants still pose big targets, and the point defense guns shouldn't have much trouble dealing with them.

Exactly how many Peregrines are we talking about here? There'd have to be plenty to deal with 36 TIE fighter, and 24 Interceptors, plus 12 bombers. Not that it really matters, ISDs have been shown to be capable of killing ships moving as fast as X-Wings (ANH, ROTJ), so hitting those fighters wouldn't be too difficult.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-26 03:37pm

A very short battle. Defiants may be small but if an ISD can hit the falcon it can hit a Defiant. One shot and it's bye bye Defiant.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-26 04:21pm

The defiants need to be lucky several million times in a row. The ISD only needs to be lucky five times.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-01-26 04:22pm

AdmiralKanos wrote:Their weapons would be virtually useless against an ISD, which is designed to handle gigaton-level weapons. Their maneuverability is OK, but a Star Destroyer's point-defense guns can reliably bracket the 40m long Falcon, and the Defiant is three times longer. They would be lucky to last one minute.

They could be dangerous if there were a lot more of them and they were being supported by another capship which pounds down the ISD's shields from a distance so that they can get in there and do some surgical strikes, but against a full-powered ISD they're toast.

Heh heh

I remember back in the old days, like late '98 or so, I rated an ISD's
shield strength by how long they were in the asteroid field during
TESB and came up with around 6E19J, IIRC. The Defiant
wing had its 128 megaton quantum torpedoes with a total inventory
of about 100/ship. In those circumstances three DCSs could
*maybe* topple an ISD before they themselves were toasted.

Fast-forward to now, and I think maybe, oh, three thousand or
so Defiants might be lucky to drain the shields to any
measurable degree

Hitch Hiker · Post by **Hitch Hiker** » 2003-01-26 04:54pm

I may be about to state the bleedin obvious but does the person who posted this realize that no matter how many defiant classes there are you seem to have foggoten that an ISD carries a large compliment of tie wings and a large amount of turbo lasers. also defiants only have foward fireing phsaer cannons and maby antimatter mines but i say the ISD would sweep them away like a brush swepping dust under the carpet!!

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-01-26 05:38pm

I think this fight can be easily stated in one single word:

SQUISH!!!

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 05:41pm

Allow me to add the following example....

bug ------> truck
bug ----> truck
bug --> truck
truck.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-01-26 05:42pm

See, here's the thing:
Not only would the Defiants have to worry about Turbolasers, the ISD would almost certainly send out it's fighters.
There's no way in hell the Defiants live.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-26 05:47pm

Let's do a generous estimate, say their torps are 540MT as per the TM and that they can fire 10 or so a second, and that the ISD's shields are rated at 7e22w like an Acclamator, then we see that we'd require 2962 Defiants firing simoultaneously at the ISD.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-26 06:36pm

That's not a generous estimate, that's a taking it up the ass in the name of fairness estimate.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-01-26 07:08pm

Five defiants with Janeway™ class character shields and an infinite supply of torpedoes might stand a chance. (at least they could just reboot the universe if it went wrong)

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-01-26 07:55pm

How about, how many X-Wings do you think it'd take to reduce a single Defiant to scrap? Assume a ST-average competence Captain of the Defiant vs average X-Wing pilots (not Rogue Squadron or something like that).

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-26 08:02pm

Defiant get's its ass kicked. The Q-torps are maxed at 128 megatons, and Slave I's missile was 191 megatons. The Defiant's weapons are all fixed-axis emplacements, and the X-Wings are more manuverable. They simply stay in the Defiant's six and fire a salvo of torpedoes.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-01-26 08:12pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Defiant get's its ass kicked. The Q-torps are maxed at 128 megatons, and Slave I's missile was 191 megatons. The Defiant's weapons are all fixed-axis emplacements, and the X-Wings are more manuverable. They simply stay in the Defiant's six and fire a salvo of torpedoes.

The Defiant does have rear facing torp launchers and a dorsal phaser turret.

Admittedly, the rear torps are usually the first thing to go wrong in any given combat scenarion, but they're there, and would cause trouble for six ships all jostling for place in the ship's rear profile. (especially to ships that die from fairly low rated (by SW standards) TIE lasers.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-01-26 08:13pm

How about, how many X-Wings do you think it'd take to reduce a single Defiant to scrap? Assume a ST-average competence Captain of the Defiant vs average X-Wing pilots (not Rogue Squadron or something like that).

Assuming the X-wings get at least moderate missiles, then a single squadron of X-wings could do it easily. Half a squadron, even. The Defiant is no faster or maneuverable than an X-wing, and it's ten times the size (well, ten times the length, anyway).

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