Teen Pregnancy pact

[Desdinova]

I loled at this:

Nancy Redd: "Teenagers are really smart."

[Isolder74]

Aerosmith's "Jenny's got a Gun"

Janie, dude... Janie's Got a Gun





Oh, and before you fuck it up as well, it's Big Old jet airliner, NOT Bingo jet had a light on

I thought it was the Homecoming Queen Has a Gun....

[Schuyler Colfax]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16 ... etail.html

BOSTON -- A Gloucester teenager who is five months pregnant said Tuesday morning there was no pact among girls in the North Shore fishing community's high school to get pregnant and raise their babies together.
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The school principal unleashed a national controversy last week when he told Time magazine that a spike in teen pregnancies at the high school this spring was traced to such a pact, but pregnant teen Lindsey Oliver told "Good Morning America" Tuesday morning that wasn't the case.

"No. There was definitely no pact. There was a group of girls who decided that they were gonna ... they were already pregnant before they decided this. That they were gonna help each other with their kids so they could finish school and raise their kids together, to do the right thing was their decision. Not, let's get pregnant, like, as a group," said Oliver, 17, whose baby is due Nov. 12.

Oliver appeared on the morning news program with her baby's father, Andrew Psalidas, 20, who said he thinks the spike in teen pregnancies at the high school, which may be as many as 17 this year, is just a coincidence.
"I would just guess to say that girls are just ... getting unlucky, maybe," he said.
The couple said they were not planning to have a child.
"Lindsey was on birth control. She was very careful with it, you know, because, obviously, we, at 17 and 20, we're not ready for a kid. But we're trying a lot harder now to get ready, that's for sure," Psalidas said.
They said they weren't sure why four times the normal amount of girls became pregnant at the high school this year. Oliver said claims that movies like "Juno" are glamorizing pregnancy don't make sense because the character couldn't care for her own baby and had to give the child away.
She said there's more of a problem with schools not providing contraceptives to teens.
"Well, I think that they sit there and they say that they want to make a difference and it's awful that all these kids are getting pregnant, but they don't want to do anything to help them. They won't put contraceptives in the nurse's office or anything and no kid wants to go into the store and buy them, or like, ask them mom to help them get birth control. Like, it's embarrassing. So, instead of, like, making them make the decision not to use any of them, they should be giving them out in the nurse's office so you can get it anonymously," Oliver said.
She said the argument that providing contraceptives encourages teens to have sex doesn't make sense.
"The kids are obviously having it anyway. There are 17 pregnant girls. I mean, they're not going to stop it by not giving them anything. They're only going to make matters worse," she said.
Psalidas, who is working and going to community college full time, said the pregnancy controversy in the town has definitely made their own situation more difficult.
"It was definitely hard to begin with," he said. "Now, we have to deal with everybody knowing that she is having a baby ... now it's like, she's 'one of those Gloucester girls having a baby,' so it's like we're doing something wrong when we're trying to do everything we can to make it right for the mistake that we made," Psalidas said.

[Coyote]

It seems that overall, these young girls are given to believe that their identities, self-worth, and value (as well as the source of love) all is based on their bodies and reproductive abilities. It seems kind of head-smacking to say that, after years of hearing things like that, but stuff like this really hits it home.

For most of history, women actually were valued primarily for their bodies and reproductive abilities. For many chronically poor women raising children may be the only thing of note (good or bad) they ever accomplish in their lives. If you don't have any money to put into a retirement account children may still be your only option for your old age.

"Start fucking and have lots of kids" is actually a basic, biological drive in human beings. We can certainly rise above it, do things in addition to it, and use our intelligence and ambition to either delay that or, if we don't have children, to find other compensating things in life, but people left in ignorant poverty seldom have the tools to bootstrap themselves out of that mindset.

Well, I was kinda wondering about it, because it seems so obvious, and yet it just seems stuff like this isn't directly talked about.

Anecdotal case-- I was up at a local resort town on a lake (lake McCall, for the curious), where I got the chance to take a boat trip around the lake. There are the usual rich homes, condos, etc but also church camps and the like. Anyhow, we also saw the Boy Scout camp, lush and full of "stuff", and the Girl Scout camp across the lake, kinda, well... basic. A lot of the women that were aboard recalled days as Girl Scouts and lamented that they never had anything close to the funds, resources, and public awareness of the Boy Scouts.

I had kind of a wierd moment in my head where it seemed to me that for the most part girls are just shuffled off to the side to talk amongst themselves, until their bodies start developing, at which point people actually start paying attention to them for better of for worse. Never having been a girl, I don't know if this is th c ase, but I was trying to think of how that might shape someone's outlooks on society and their place in it-- "I was pretty much invisible until I got these, now everyone pays attention. These must be what makes me important."

So they use what they got to get attention. Boys, OTOH, are taught that they can play sports, or beat someone up, or become brainy nerds, and there are many paths to success.

My outlook on this is way over-simplified, and probably anachronistic (is it much different now? Has things like equality laws and Title IX changed the perception that girls can have success?) I mean, I'm not saying girls are neglected or shoved off by their families or something dark and angsty like that, but I just wonder if girls grow up with the perception that their efforts aren't worth paying attention to --until the biology kicks in?

[Broomstick]

I think there is some validity in your observation. I know when I was in Girl Scouts there was a marked difference in funding and facilities between us and the boys. It was VERY obvious. Although Girl Scout do have a supposed equivalent to Eagle Scout (known as First Class) many people even in scouting have never heard of it and it was certainly not held out much as a goal (I can think of one exception, but that bitch had a LOT of other problems which resulted in a lot of people quitting rather than staying in scouts). Much of my school life pre-dated Title IX, and certainly the early days of it there was still enormous disparity between boys and girls sports.

Have either of those two changed much? I don't know.

Yes, society DOES frequently ignore girls until they get tits. There is still enormous focus on women getting married. Much of a woman's routine medical care revolves around her tits, cunt, and womb as if there is nothing else of importance to worry about. There is still enormous pressure to produce children regardless what else a woman is doing.

Don't even get me started on breast implants.

Of course, women can do things other than fuck and give birth, but in quite a few cases they does those things despite societal pressure.