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First off, there's a rumor going around that looks more like a Leak that the person the Telgraph talked to is Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton's old campaign chairmen, The Clinton Bagdad Bob who as late as Jun 5th was still getting on stage shouting about how Hillary was going to be President.

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Telegraph wrote: Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support
By Tim Shipman in Washington and Philip Sherwell in New York
Last Updated: 1:13AM BST 29/06/2008
Bill Clinton is so bitter about Barack Obama's victory over his wife Hillary that he has told friends the Democratic nominee will have to beg for his wholehearted support.
Bill Clinton; Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support
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Bill Clinton is still very bitter that Barack Obama beat his wife Hillary

Mr Obama is expected to speak to Mr Clinton for the first time since he won the nomination in the next few days, but campaign insiders say that the former president's future campaign role is a "sticking point" in peace talks with Mrs Clinton's aides.

The Telegraph has learned that the former president's rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence.

A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could "kiss my ass" in return for his support.
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A second source said that the former president has kept his distance because he still does not believe Mr Obama can win the election.

Mr Clinton last week issued a tepid statement, through a spokesman, in which he said he "is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States ".

Mr Obama was more effusive at his unity event with Mrs Clinton on Friday, speaking fondly of the absent former president, who attended Nelson Mandela's birthday celebrations in London instead. The candidate told the crowd: "I know how much we need both Bill and Hillary Clinton as a party. They have done so much great work. We need them badly."

But his aides said he has so far concentrated on cementing relations with Mrs Clinton first. They say they are content to let relations with Mr Clinton thaw gradually.

It has long been known that Mr Clinton is angry at the way his own reputation was tarnished during the primary battle when several of his comments were interpreted as racist.

But his lingering fury has shocked his friends. The Democrat told the Telegraph: "He's been angry for a while. But everyone thought he would get over it. He hasn't. I've spoken to a couple of people who he's been in contact with and he is mad as hell.

"He's saying he's not going to reach out, that Obama has to come to him. One person told me that Bill said Obama would have to quote kiss my ass close quote, if he wants his support.

"You can't talk like that about Obama - he's the nominee of your party, not some house boy you can order around.


"Hillary's just getting on with it and so should Bill."

Another Democrat said that despite polls showing Mr Obama with a healthy lead over Republican John McCain, Mr Clinton doesn't think he can win.

The party strategist, who was allied to one of the early rivals to Mr Obama and the former First Lady, said Mr Clinton was "very unhopeful" about the nominee's prospects in November.

"Bill Clinton knows the party will unite behind Obama, but he is telling people he doesn't believe Obama can win round voting groups, especially working-class whites, in the swing states," the strategist said.

"He just doesn't think Obama will be able to connect with the voters he needs."

Joe Klein, the author of Primary Colours, a fictionalised account of Mr Clinton's 1992 election, who has known the former president for 20 years, said he also heard that he was "very, very bitter", from people who have spoken with him.

"It's time for him to get over it or go off and do his charitable work. He knows the rules of the road. What's going on now is kind of strange. I think his behaviour is really, really shocking."
House boy? What are you? A fucking Afrikaner yearing for the good old days of apartheid? But it makes a weird sense that "un-named source (Again likely Terry) is comparing Barrack Obama to Slavery domestic help in explaing why Clinton can't ignore him

(Bill it might suprise you to know, but he's not just some slave you can order around, GASP! Horror!)

I mean come the fuck on, if this is indeed Terry McAuliffe and not 100% bullshit then I have to say that Bill let that frigging power go to his head and believe his own wife's campaign spin.

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The Litany of Fury.

I hope he doesn't pop his ticker. Doesn't he have a bad heart?

It would suck if his last words are something like "Goddamn Obama!" before he goes stiff and all...

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Clinton may think his comments were "twisted" or "taken out of context" or something in order to make them look racist, but the fact is that there is no context in which that Jesse Jackson remark did not look racist.

I don't know if this reported "he can kiss my ass" comment was made with racist intent, but it doesn't matter. At the very least, his anger demonstrates that he felt the Clinton family was entitled to the presidency, which only goes to prove that it was the right decision to dump his wife's candidacy. The country has suffered 8 years with a president who has a massive entitlement complex; who needs another one?
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I want independent confirmation of this. This is so far beyond the pale of "political," or even decent behavior that I simply can't believe anyone would say such a thing on the record. I have to admit, though, it does seem to fit the pattern of Clinton's recent insanity. The guy's turned into a total nutjob. I wonder if he's actually got some sort of mental illness that's destroying his mind--it honestly wouldn't surprise me, at this point.
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Master of Ossus wrote:I want independent confirmation of this. This is so far beyond the pale of "political," or even decent behavior that I simply can't believe anyone would say such a thing on the record. I have to admit, though, it does seem to fit the pattern of Clinton's recent insanity. The guy's turned into a total nutjob. I wonder if he's actually got some sort of mental illness that's destroying his mind--it honestly wouldn't surprise me, at this point.
The story is a tying togther story by the Telegraph(A UK Media group) of why Hillary is going full steam ahead in support Obama while Bill has been MIA and according to the schedules released by Obama he does not have any events planned to fund raise, speak for or do anything else for Obama.

So the Telegraph(And other groups) have gone looking on why Hillary has three events already planned to speak with or even for Obama and Bill has zero and released that one sentance "endorsement" via a 3rd party and why he was no where on stage in the previous Unity event and the Hillary concession speech.

And after talking to a bunch of people they released this story stating that Bill is pissed about losing, the quotes are all off the record of conversations between Clinton supporters and the Clinton Family and Bill in particular.

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How reputable is the telegraph as a news organization? Are we talking MSNBC good, or more C&L good? I'm sorry, this just seems too far out for me to swallow without some more confirmation.
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Why does this seem so far "out there?" The guy supposedly made an off-the-cuff off-the-record comment to friends (not reporters) that Obama "can kiss my ass" if he wants his support. Why is this so hard to believe, especially given his petulant refusal to lift a finger to help the Democratic party win in November ever since they chose Obama?
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Ender wrote:How reputable is the telegraph as a news organization? Are we talking MSNBC good, or more C&L good? I'm sorry, this just seems too far out for me to swallow without some more confirmation.
The Telegraph is a british conservative Broad Sheet (which makes it left wing by US standards)
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US politicians are so used to being treated with kid gloves and the media completely kissing their ass that they say a lot of stuff to reporters, then go "that's off the record" and expect that it will never see print. The European approach to that is that if they said it to the reporter, it gets reported and they can take their "off the record" shot and shove it up their ass. It wasn't that long ago that some moron raised a stink about being quoted fully in Bristish media even though he had said "this is off the record".

I can well believe this.
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I don't find this hard to believe at all. Honestly, I think what pisses Bill off more than anything is that the first viable female candidate for president was beaten by the first viable black candidate. To him, the defeat means that history books will record Obama as the first viable black candidate, and Hillary's candidacy will become a footnote reading "Obama defeated Clinton, the first serious female contender for presidency."

And don't forget to factor in the personal aspects for him. He sees Obama's win as a repudiation of his legacy, and his shenanigans on the campaign trail basically stripped him of his status as an "honorary black person" or as the "first black president". If Obama wins the presidency, it's basically the black community saying "Oh wait, sorry, you weren't the first black president. Obama was." He probably didn't expect a viable black candidate so soon after his term ended.

So think about it. One minute, he's sure of how history will record his presidency and his legacy, then the next, all of that basically comes crashing down not only because Obama was running, but because he was running against a Clinton. I guess that was a reality Bill Clinton was not prepared to accept, so he started panicking and flailing and making utterly idiotic mistakes, like the Jesse Jackson comment.

So yeah, that he's now telling Obama to kiss his ass isn't all that surprising. Hell, I'd be surprised if that was the worst thing he's said behind closed doors.
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Considering that Bubba was a member of a whites-only country club and had a nasty habit of lashing out at black people (or chucking them overboard), this seems quite likely. Apparently he doesn't like it when he can't lord it over the darkies.
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Ender wrote:How reputable is the telegraph as a news organization? Are we talking MSNBC good, or more C&L good? I'm sorry, this just seems too far out for me to swallow without some more confirmation.
We get the Telegraph. It's considered a bit (UK) conservative-leaning but it's not got a reputation for bullshit, and their reports on religion are always good. It's not like the Sun or the Mail or similar tabloid crap.
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The type of guy who would not only make the "Jesse Jackson" comment --and not comprehend why that was bad-- is also the type of guy I can easily see making such a comment about Obama.

I'm finding the bright side in this: if Obama needed a public "good reason" to keep Hillary out of the Vice-Prez slot, Bill's giving him just exactly that.
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I'm pretty sure any non-white American, Canadian, or European member of this board can point to one or more people they've met in their own lives who, like Bill Clinton, profess to believe in racial equality but, when push comes to shove, prove to be blatantly racist. These are the kinds of people who support affirmative action, equal opportunity hiring, and interracial dating... IN THEORY. When it's thrown right in their face, however, you get a very different reaction. In other words, they're not all that different from the separate but equal assholes of years past.

Can any of you imagine Bill or Hillary's reaction if Chelsea had dated a black guy?
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Darth Wong wrote:The country has suffered 8 years with a president who has a massive entitlement complex; who needs another one?
Scariest thing about the possibility of a Hillary nomination is that, if she won the presidency, it would have meant that the United States would have been led by two families for a combined 24 years with the potential to be 28. Granted said families are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, but I don't like the sound of it one bit.
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You know, given the American founders' hostility toward monarchies, I'm surprised the Constitution never included a rule about presidents being too closely related to each other, in order to prevent dynastic families.
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There is a prohibition of President and Vice President being from the same state (which makes Dick Cheney a criminal, by the way) but in the beginning I don't think they were too particularly worried about, say, John Quincy Adams becoming president, although if they were to look at the current situation, they might well have considered it.
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Darth Wong wrote:You know, given the American founders' hostility toward monarchies, I'm surprised the Constitution never included a rule about presidents being too closely related to each other, in order to prevent dynastic families.
That was one of the reasons I ended up casting my vote for Barack Obama in the first place. I figured that between the Bushes and the Clintons, if Hillary had won election and stayed in for two terms, it meant that the presidency would essentially have rested in the hands of two families for a quarter century (or even a third of a century, depending upon whether you count Poppy as actually running Reagan's presidency for him) and that smacked of dynastic rule, which could only be a bad thing for free democratic government. Ever since, looking at the trainwreck Hillary's campaign turned into, I've had even less reason to ever regret my initial vote for Obama.
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It is actually troubling to me to realize that there are kids entering college that have no cognizent memory of anyone other than a Bush or Clinton being commander-in-chief. "Institutionalizing" the memory of semi-dyanstic political families dominating evrything is scary.

Actually, Edit: Kids graduating college have not known a time when there was a Bush or Clinton in the White House! I forgot about George Bush I! :shock:
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I remember the very tail end of Reagan's Presidency, but not enough for it to have really meant anything. Which is actually why I opposed Clinton in the primaries more than anything else; political dynasties are a plain bad idea. No one who feels entitled to the Presidency should have it.
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As the founding fathers believed. So much so that Thomas Jefferson or John Adams each never officially accepted nomination for presidency!
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CNN has them having a "terrific" conversation.

It also says that Clinton was angered by rumors he wasn't going to support Obama during the campaign, so it seems like the Telegraph report was wrong.
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Actually, Edit: Kids graduating college have not known a time when there was a Bush or Clinton in the White House! I forgot about George Bush I! Shocked
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Coyote wrote:Actually, Edit: Kids graduating college have not known a time when there was a Bush or Clinton in the White House! I forgot about George Bush I! Shocked
*raises hand*
I'm 23. (reasonable college-grad age; I've done 4 years in the Army on the 13th of July)

For a point of reference I VAGUELY remember Bush 1 years and I don't remember them for Bush but for the Gulf War. (1991 I was in pre-school... @6 I think, and yes, that is a year late :( -- specifically I remember footage of laser-guided bombs on the news (what else? :lol:) and an M60 rolling down the street by my elementary school... it was green and big and loud, so I'm pretty sure it was an M60)

The 1st president I've known in a real sense was Bill Clinton. As in I remembered what he looked like at the time.
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