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Thou shalt not annoy on Youth Day

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July 1, 2008

EXTRAORDINARY new powers will allow police to arrest and fine people for "causing annoyance" to World Youth Day participants and permit partial strip searches at hundreds of Sydney sites, beginning today.

The laws, which operate until the end of July, have the potential to make a crime of wearing a T-shirt with a message on it, undertaking a Chaser-style stunt, handing out condoms at protests, riding a skateboard or even playing music, critics say.

Police and volunteers from the State Emergency Service and Rural Fire Service will be able to direct people to cease engaging in conduct that "causes annoyance or inconvenience to participants in a World Youth Day event".

People who fail to comply will be subject to a $5500 fine.

The president of the NSW Bar Association, Anna Katzmann, SC, described the regulations as "unnecessary and repugnant".

The Greens MP Lee Rhiannon said if someone exposed themselves in public, they faced a fine of only $1100 or six months' jail under the Summary Offences Act.

"So if someone flashes a WYD participant they will face a $1100 penalty but if they wear an anti-Catholic T-shirt they could face a $5500 penalty," she said.

A police source said causing an "annoyance or inconvenience" was a highly subjective offence. A police lawyer would define it in layman's terms for operational use by officers.

Civil libertarians said they had never seen anything like the new powers and believed they are more extreme and broader in scope than those used during last year's APEC summit and the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

But the State Government said "World Youth Day is a happy and positive celebration of youth" and "no additional or 'APEC-like' police powers have been granted under the World Youth Day regulations".

The Catholic Church denied it had called for such powers.

The regulations were quietly gazetted by the Deputy Premier, John Watkins, on Friday afternoon and apply to more than 40 city locations, including museums, galleries and cinemas, as well as Darling Harbour, the Opera House, the Harbour Bridge, Randwick Racecourse and parklands.

More than 500 schools across Sydney and 35 train and bus stations have also been listed as "declared areas". People entering them will be subject to vehicle and baggage searches that require them to remove jackets, gloves, shoes and headwear if requested. "Reasonable force may be used to effect the person's exclusion" if they do not permit the search, the regulations stipulate.

The Government's World Youth Day spokeswoman, Kristina Keneally, said "bag checks are a sensible safety precaution which any young person who is going to a major event in Australia … would expect". Everyone had the right to protest so long as it was "peaceful and lawful".

The president of the NSW Council of Civil Liberties, Cameron Murphy, said the broad meaning of "causes annoyance" had the potential to encompass any activity. "This sort of amendment is extreme, unnecessary and is likely to escalate conflict when officers issue directions," he said. "People are going to be unaware that they have the power to do this and will find themselves in court facing an enormous fine."

Ms Katzmann said: "The mere presence in the vicinity of a person wearing the apparel or insignia of another religion might be annoying or inconvenient to a participant in a World Youth Day event."

Ms Rhiannon said the regulations were about "shutting down protests and quarantining the Pope and visiting Catholics away from messages World Youth Day authorities don't approve of".
Its illegal to cause an annoyance? What the hell then is a protest if not an annoyance. Someone pointed out that if the Government did this for a Muslim gathering we would be up in arms. '

I will go with another one. If Australia did that while China was bringing the olympic torch through the government would have been accused of kowtowing to Beijing. Instead lets just do it for the Pope.
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Maybe this time the real Osama Bin Laden can drive a motorcade to the Pope's hotel.
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Give the NSW police an inch, they'll take ten yards. Whenever we give 'new temporary powers', those powers mysteriously appear to stay on and be used for other things as time goes by....
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Uhh...is this even constitutional? Causing an annoyance? Handing out condoms is a crime now? What if obnoxious Christian gospellers annoyed me? Would they be fined, too? :roll:
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Just when I had gotten over my annoyance (see what I did there!!1 :P ) of the WYD traffic fubar and the cost to the taxpayer, the government goes and does it again.
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hongi wrote:Just when I had gotten over my annoyance (see what I did there!!1 :P ) of the WYD traffic fubar and the cost to the taxpayer, the government goes and does it again.
You should get the government fined, then.

Or if a police officer strip-searches you, get him fined for annoying you!
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This was enacted by the NSW state government correct? Can anyone link me to somewhere I can buy anti-catholic t-shirts? I'm sure I can get some classmates together, fuck them.
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PeZook wrote:Uhh...is this even constitutional? Causing an annoyance? Handing out condoms is a crime now? What if obnoxious Christian gospellers annoyed me? Would they be fined, too? :roll:
Very little is actually unconstitutional in Australia, with most of it todo with how government operates and about only a few explicit right for citizens.

Basicly, the explicit constitutional rights are;
  • Trial by jury
  • Limited freedom of religion ("making any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion." ) but Federal Government only.
The implied constitutional rights derived by judicial review are;
  • The right to vote
  • And Freedom of political communication.
That is about it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this was entirely due to the APEC Chaser thing, and the government didn't want to look silly again.

I wonder how the definition of "annoyance" will be treated. Oh what I'd give to see someone try to get this applied to whatever wacky security precautions the Pope uses.
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Doesn't this violate the freedom of political communication, since these annoyances are designed to send a message.
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Which would matter more if it was not an implied right. I'll have a look at my copy of the constitution (I like to study Australian constitutional, criminal and corporate law in my spare time. How nerdy is that?) when I go to bed and see if it violates anything else.
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I don't know anything about the law in Australia and what is or isn't unconstitutional, but I can say that in Ohio we have a law called "disorderly conduct." It states that:
(A) No person shall recklessly cause inconvenience, annoyance, or alarm to another by doing any of the following:
(1) Engaging in fighting, in threatening harm to persons or property, or in violent or turbulent behavior;
(2) Making unreasonable noise or an offensively coarse utterance, gesture, or display or communicating unwarranted and grossly abusive language to any person;
(3) Insulting, taunting, or challenging another, under circumstances in which that conduct is likely to provoke a violent response;
(4) Hindering or preventing the movement of persons on a public street, road, highway, or right-of-way, or to, from, within, or upon public or private property, so as to interfere with the rights of others, and by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender;
(5) Creating a condition that is physically offensive to persons or that presents a risk of physical harm to persons or property, by any act that serves no lawful and reasonable purpose of the offender.
It goes on to add a few other specifications based on being intoxicated, and specify penalties based on circumstances (for example, it is a more severe offense to commit against a public official, or while in a school zone, or at the scene of any sort of emergency.)

But anyhow, calling attention to the highlighted portions, you can get almost any sort of behavior under those categories with a little creative interpretation (for example, an offensive message on a t-shirt could be "communicating") but we don't see it used in that fashion. In practice, the police and courts are unwilling to waste time on such triviality. Even patrolling when nothing else is going on is a better use of a policeman's time than ticketing/arresting people for minor trivialities. This is why policement get annoyed at calls for service for actions that are nonviolations or which are violations only in the most technical sense: It's a waste of time, and the police hate more than anything to be tied up on something trivial when a call comes for something more serious.
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PeZook wrote:Uhh...is this even constitutional? Causing an annoyance? Handing out condoms is a crime now? What if obnoxious Christian gospellers annoyed me? Would they be fined, too? :roll:
Australia's constitution has no Bill of Rights. IIRC the idea is that the judiciary system is 'good enough'. Which it appears to have been, until the last few years.
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Yeah, I wonder how soon this precedent will be used to justify similar measures at future events.
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PS The Youth [mostly] can't vote so big youth outcry = Who Cares LoL
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This is completely legal as far as I can see, with the only possible Constitutional objection relating to Chapter 5, Part 1, section 11 - 'The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.'

It's a very shaky objection as this does not violate the letter of the clause in any way, only the spirit. These new powers could be seen as assisting the establishment of the Catholic church, but not really.
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Only issue is the state is doing this, and not the federal government So that statement doesnt apply. You'ld need to read the actual state constitution to see if it had anything which could be used against it.

I really hope this comes back and kicks the ass of the current NSW government.
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You can't wear t-shirts that criticize this enormous waste of taxpayers money, hand out condoms or even protest the churches enormous inertia when it came to deal with child sex allegations, or protest their policy of telling poor people in overpopulated countries ravaged with aids not to use condoms.


What a load of bullshit.
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I hope that someone can bring a Chaser level of pain to the NSW gov't again. I really, really do.

Because this is fucking ridiculous - it's becoming like the US with the "designated free speech zone" bullshit.
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