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Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2008-07-01 12:36pm

The Parasol Corporation has smuggled a bunch of dino-embryos out of the island, which may or may not overlap endangered dino-species on Zablania.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-01 01:21pm

THEL would probably be best stuck in a airliner body, rather than a military transport body. I suggest a 7X7 of some sort. We can leverage some of the work for the Airborne Laser.

As for the dinos, Shep irradiated all of Zablania. The exhaust from a nuclear ramjet consists of a bunch of very hot air, along with microscopic pieces of the engine that come off during flight. Said pieces are radioactive fallout. This is one of the reasons it got cancelled in the first place.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2008-07-01 05:12pm

Jesus, this thing really took off. Is there a historical summary for anybody who is interested in what's going on, but hasn't got the time to keep up-to-date or read through all the threads?

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-07-01 05:31pm

Surlethe wrote:Jesus, this thing really took off. Is there a historical summary for anybody who is interested in what's going on, but hasn't got the time to keep up-to-date or read through all the threads?

The Lonestar Republic rapidly defeated and occupied Shepnukistan, mostly because, as in Company of Heroes, Shep cannot fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-07-01 05:48pm

Surlethe wrote:Jesus, this thing really took off. Is there a historical summary for anybody who is interested in what's going on, but hasn't got the time to keep up-to-date or read through all the threads?

Really, it's been crisis-of-the-month.

There have been small wars cropping up here and there, last "year" we nearly had a nuclear war but it averted at the last moment although a few shots were fired (almost entirely conventional). it's been crazy. Where to begin? Lemme think about it a bit...

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-07-01 05:59pm

I sit on my vast pool of money and cackle.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-01 06:02pm

Didn't someone volunteer to be the Chronicler? Where is that lazy fuck?

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-01 06:42pm

Beowulf wrote:THEL would probably be best stuck in a airliner body, rather than a military transport body. I suggest a 7X7 of some sort. We can leverage some of the work for the Airborne Laser.

BAM A380

Post by **Surlethe** » 2008-07-01 07:22pm

By the way, I'm curious if anybody's playing my nation. I would've been quite an international player, I think. And I look forward to see any histories that've been written.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-07-01 07:56pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Beowulf wrote:THEL would probably be best stuck in a airliner body, rather than a military transport body. I suggest a 7X7 of some sort. We can leverage some of the work for the Airborne Laser.
BAM A380

Bear Republic tested a Microwave Laser mounted in an airship last year, which worked where the Particle beam version, and the Electronic Warfare varients didn't.

Mind you the EW Blimp still makes a really big target even bigger....

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-01 09:24pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Beowulf wrote:THEL would probably be best stuck in a airliner body, rather than a military transport body. I suggest a 7X7 of some sort. We can leverage some of the work for the Airborne Laser.
BAM A380

Too big... On second though, a military transport might be best. They're designed with the cockpit well above the nose, typically. That allows the nose turret to have a straight path back to the lasing cavity.

Surlethe: No one plays any nation but their own. You want in, you need to play yourself. And until you're actually playing, your nation is assumed to be isolationist. Makes the world much easier.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-01 09:29pm

Beowulf wrote:Too big... On second though, a military transport might be best. They're designed with the cockpit well above the nose, typically. That allows the nose turret to have a straight path back to the lasing cavity.

Surlethe: No one plays any nation but their own. You want in, you need to play yourself. And until you're actually playing, your nation is assumed to be isolationist. Makes the world much easier.

A C-17?

Surlethe: As far as anyone is concerned, your nation is still under the sea. No one knows your nation even exists.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-01 10:25pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Beowulf wrote:Too big... On second though, a military transport might be best. They're designed with the cockpit well above the nose, typically. That allows the nose turret to have a straight path back to the lasing cavity.

Surlethe: No one plays any nation but their own. You want in, you need to play yourself. And until you're actually playing, your nation is assumed to be isolationist. Makes the world much easier.
A C-17?

Hey, I make those.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-01 10:29pm

Beowulf wrote:Hey, I make those.

Technically, I operate An-124s. So there has to be a substantially good reason to switch.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-07-01 11:11pm

I'm selling the A-60 if anyone wants an airborne laser.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-01 11:34pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Beowulf wrote:Hey, I make those.
Technically, I operate An-124s. So there has to be a substantially good reason to switch.

You don't need something quite as large as a An-124? I operate those too. An An-124 has somewhere around twice the payload capacity of a C-17. It's best to use the appropriate size plane for the job.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-01 11:46pm

Stas Bush wrote:I'm selling the A-60 if anyone wants an airborne laser.

I don't think you have quite delivered all of last year's order of aircraft.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-07-01 11:50pm

Beriev A-60
Engine thrust: 4 x 120 kN
Max speed, kph: 850
Cruise speed, kph: 700
Practical range: 8200 km
Ceiling: 13800 m
Crew: 4
Laser gun operators: 10
Armament: laser gun

It's a lighter craft than the YAL-1, but it also costs far less apparently - even the bulk Il-76 versus the 747-400 is a factor of ten.

The A-60 carrier costs 27 million (with an additional 3 million laser, making it 30 million), whereas the B-747-400 costs 230-260 million (not yet even including the laser cost).

I don't think you have quite delivered all of last year's order of aircraft.

WHAT?!

Oh shit. Pardon moi, I'll see what I forgot. The Tu-160s? EDIT: Apparently I delivered the Tu-160s. So what did I forget then?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-02 12:08am

It's... difficult to find information on the A-60. The best info I can find is still fairly scanty. I can find that there's a radome in the nose, and the laser turret fires out the spine of the aircraft, and is pop up. Can't find anything on it's power level, for example.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-02 01:35am

Stas Bush wrote: WHAT?! Oh shit. Pardon moi, I'll see what I forgot. The Tu-160s? EDIT: Apparently I delivered the Tu-160s. So what did I forget then?

I believe I ordered transports.. lemme go do dig. Ah... on this page: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... &start=525

Somwhere further down, I ordered some 12 An-72s, 6 An-22P, 6 An-22A, 6 An-225. (You know, just hand wave in 6 An-124s. Make them the 150tonne load. Though does that increase the airfield length requirement?)

Also, there's the Yahkhont Missiles I ordered from you. I'm manufacture my own spares. You could deliver the Su-39s sometime this year.

Beowulf wrote:You don't need something quite as large as a An-124? I operate those too. An An-124 has somewhere around twice the payload capacity of a C-17. It's best to use the appropriate size plane for the job.

You know what, I don't operate anything on that class. There's Stas' Il-76, but how much is a C-17?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-02 02:07am

I've decided to buy some flying gear for my civil services:

- 6x Jayhawk helicopters for Coast Guard duty
- 2x medium transport airplane, something similar to the CASA, C-130 or the An-26. For moving light supplies, carrying my pilot's belongings when they go on exercises, etc.
- 1x medical rescue plane - like the above, but modified so that it can carry wounded/victims of natural disasters

So...I'll need pricing on those.

On the question of an airmobile IFV, I won't be buying BMP-3s. Their crew compartment is too small, and the 1st Independent Airmobile has a 10-man squad size, so they won't fit inside the BMP

A light tank/assault gun system would serve them better, methinks.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-02 02:12am

PeZook wrote:I've decided to buy some flying gear for my civil services:

- 6x Jayhawk helicopters for Coast Guard duty
- 2x medium transport airplane, something similar to the CASA, C-130 or the An-26. For moving light supplies, carrying my pilot's belongings when they go on exercises, etc.
- 1x medical rescue plane - like the above, but modified so that it can carry wounded/victims of natural disasters

So...I'll need pricing on those.

On the question of an airmobile IFV, I won't be buying BMP-3s. Their crew compartment is too small, and the 1st Independent Airmobile has a 10-man squad size, so they won't fit inside the BMP

A light tank/assault gun system would serve them better, methinks.

I have been thinking of a proper structure for airbourne, and was thinking that the forward brigades will be BMP-3Ms and the support brigades will be BMD-4s (the Spruts and the standard BMD-4 with some Mortars in the mix).

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-02 02:28am

On defending from Shep's Ramjets Of Doom:

The missile goes in at Mach 5 going at 1000 feet ; That means we get line-of-sight at the range of 65 kilometers when flying over the sea. Mach 5 is around 1.66 km/s, meaning we get 40 seconds to acquire, identify, track and shoot it down (assuming a ground-based radar and perfect conditions, actual time may be as low as 20 second) before it disappears over the horizon or smacks into the radar. The actual means of shooting the thing down are irrelevant ; If it smacks into anything (like a kinetic kill missile) at that speed it won't be able to continue to fly. Of course, the debris will still be pretty dangerous, seeing that they move at Mach 5 and carry a nuke reactor.

So...what we actually need is a tracking system capable of accurately tracking the thing for longer than 10-20 second and a kill vehicle precise enough to place something in its way.

So...I propose a system composed of:

1) AWACS/JSTAR airships and airplanes

2) Sea-based "defense barges", equipped with radar and CIWS, data-linked to stratellites

3) A network of SHORAD systems to intercept the missiles as a last-ditch defence

and 4) The primary defence system - a missile launcher datalinked with all the other detection systems. It can be placed on land or on barges/ships, or both. Or maybe even stratellites - one or two should fir on a big airship, and they'll be firing down.

Additional components would include SM armed ships which should also be a part of the overall system, airplanes and drones with IR trackers (the missile has to have a huge thermal bloom) and radar reflectors designed to confuse the missile's radar. Of course, since it flies at 300 meters, these won't be as effective as anti-Tomahawk measures.

And lasers! Though if the missile can fly at Mach 5 at 300 meters and not disintegrate, I don't know if THEL will touch it.

EDIT: And Zor, you do know that Bear uses gyrojets because his military does what's cool, and not what's practical, right?

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-02 02:50am

Question, was there ever a defence mechanism for defeating nuclear torps that are used to attack ports? That has been bugging me for a while, though I have laid lots of mines and a sonar system to detect subs (and I intend to make a submarine order soon from my own shipyards.)

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-07-02 02:54am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Question, was there ever a defence mechanism for defeating nuclear torps that are used to attack ports? That has been bugging me for a while, though I have laid lots of mines and a sonar system to detect subs (and I intend to make a submarine order soon from my own shipyards.)

Sink the submarine before it can launch.