For all the wanking about 1776 and the constitution, I thought the two would be linked.
The only reason I knew it was that I watched The Highlander too many times, and I remembered the line where MacLeod reminisces about about how the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, so I figured the Constitution must have come quite a bit later.
The current US Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation in 1788.
Kind of messes with the infallibility that some people see in the Founding Fathers if they had one government for roughly 10 years and then had to do a major rewrite.
The AoC is kind of glossed over a bit in US history and usually it, and some of the office holders, under it are just obscure trivia questions for shows like Jeopardy.
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Far too many irrelevant questions. There should be more about everyday laws, participation in the different levels of government, and basic civic responsibilities - and fewer about senseless trivia.
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For all the wanking about 1776 and the constitution, I thought the two would be linked.
The only reason I knew it was that I watched The Highlander too many times, and I remembered the line where MacLeod reminisces about about how the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, so I figured the Constitution must have come quite a bit later.
The current US Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation in 1788.
Kind of messes with the infallibility that some people see in the Founding Fathers if they had one government for roughly 10 years and then had to do a major rewrite.
The AoC is kind of glossed over a bit in US history and usually it, and some of the office holders, under it are just obscure trivia questions for shows like Jeopardy.
That is probably because the Articles of Confederation simply didn't work. they worked fine as long as the revolution lasted and the 13 colonies all had a common goal but once that was over old rivalries came back and things quickly got out of hand.
under the articles, the only time anything could be passed and made a valid national measure was if all 13 states voted yes on it. Not a voting system that will help to get much done.
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My high school history teachers would have disowned me if I'd gotten any of those wrong. Though I admit the number of amendments almost threw me, but I figured we had to be up to 27 by now.
As for them being trivia, yeah, but I think more relevant questions might also be harder. In addition, it would be rather difficult to research, say, the three branches of government, and not find out about the principle of seperation of powers.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I got 19/20. I really thought Susan B. Anthony designed the flag. Stupid cartoons, giving me false information.
Yeah, made this same mistake. Damn women's rights movement!
ANyway, to be fair to the test, this is only 20 questions. The real one is 100 questions and it's not the only part: this is just the civics bit. There's apparently two other parts to the overall test.
Some of those would be a bit harder I think. Especially if I didn't have multiple choice answers to kind of jog my memory like I did on this one.
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Darth Wong wrote:The only reason I knew it was that I watched The Highlander too many times, and I remembered the line where MacLeod reminisces about about how the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, so I figured the Constitution must have come quite a bit later.
The current US Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation in 1788.
Kind of messes with the infallibility that some people see in the Founding Fathers if they had one government for roughly 10 years and then had to do a major rewrite.
I realized how much of a clusterfuck the early American government was when I found out that they didn't pay the Continental Army their wages, and then reneged on paying back wages after the war was over, and then tried to portray its officers as disloyal for demanding those back wages.
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Darth Wong wrote:The only reason I knew it was that I watched The Highlander too many times, and I remembered the line where MacLeod reminisces about about how the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, so I figured the Constitution must have come quite a bit later.
The current US Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation in 1788.
Kind of messes with the infallibility that some people see in the Founding Fathers if they had one government for roughly 10 years and then had to do a major rewrite.
I realized how much of a clusterfuck the early American government was when I found out that they didn't pay the Continental Army their wages, and then reneged on paying back wages after the war was over, and then tried to portray its officers as disloyal for demanding those back wages.
So the Republitard 'borrow from foreigners and spend while painting opponents as un-American' meme goes back to the beginning?
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14/20. Not too bad, but then Canadians are relatively saturated in facts about the US government and history. I vividly remember an entire, fairly in-depth chapter in elementary school history (Grade on the American revolution. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but I'm almost certain that the majority of American elementary schools do not go into the same amount of depth about Canadian confederation.
Adept wrote:14/20. Not too bad, but then Canadians are relatively saturated in facts about the US government and history. I vividly remember an entire, fairly in-depth chapter in elementary school history (Grade on the American revolution. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but I'm almost certain that the majority of American elementary schools do not go into the same amount of depth about Canadian confederation.
I can confirm that locally as of 1985, we learned zero about Canada and Canadian politics in our local schools.
What I know about Canada comes from my family up in Edmonton and the Canadians on this board.
I'm not Canadian but due to my famliy ties across the border, I'd defend Canada with the same ferocity I'd defend the USA if Canada were invaded by a foreign power.
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100% and I burned through it in two minutes. This is bullshit as a test of anything, much less citizenship.
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Glocksman wrote: I can confirm that locally as of 1985, we learned zero about Canada and Canadian politics in our local schools.
What I know about Canada comes from my family up in Edmonton and the Canadians on this board.
Yeah, I figured as much. I suppose there is the possibility of fluctuations in coverage depending on State curriculums, but the vast majority of US citizens that I've spoken to have reported the same as you.
Much later on even (in Grade 12 politics), study of the American political structure was a huge part of the curriculum. Again, I don't really begrudge learning of it: knowing a lot about your home nation's largest trading partner and military ally is beneficial in a number of ways.
By the same token, however, I'd think that US students learning about Canada historically might be very important, due to the role of British North America's role in the revolutionary war and the War of 1812 (to name a few instances).
Glocksman wrote: I'm not Canadian but due to my famliy ties across the border, I'd defend Canada with the same ferocity I'd defend the USA if Canada were invaded by a foreign power.
Mr Bean wrote:19/20 I had no idea what Susan B Anthony did.
Yeah, this is a damn useless test, how about some good question about laws rather than simply history?
I got the same score for the same reason, only after I answered did I remember it was Betsy Ross for the "original" flag which was my answer. Women's rights being the only other one which made sense.
That aside the questions in regards to number of amendments, rights protected in the amendments, leadership of the Supreme Court, I can see those as being items worth knowing. The stuff about who wrote it and when it was adopted or even why there are 13 stripes is just asinine.
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CmdrWilkens wrote:he stuff about who wrote it and when it was adopted or even why there are 13 stripes is just asinine.
I have to disagree. Most people know that the revolutionary war ended in 1776, which is the obvious trick answer. To go beyond the trick answer one would have to know that the US was briefly a failed confederacy before the constitution was ratified. Knowing that the confederacy failed, IMO, is pretty significant and useful knowledge.
CaptainZoidberg wrote:Most people know that the revolutionary war ended in 1776.
If this is true then they know wrongly, the Revoutionary War ended in 1783. If you mean, "started" instead of "ended", then you are still wrong, it started in 1775.
Seriously, Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence?
Haven't you ever watched 1776? Get on it, man!
Adept wrote:By the same token, however, I'd think that US students learning about Canada historically might be very important, due to the role of British North America's role in the revolutionary war and the War of 1812 (to name a few instances).
I got no worthwhile formal study of Canada until I took Comparative Constitutionalism in university. Considering that my state 'mobilized' against Canada in 1838 and almost dragged the US into a border war - and has shared a significant relationship with the country ever since - it does not seem right that Canada occupies such a small place in Maine's public education curriculum.
on the American revolution. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but I'm almost certain that the majority of American elementary schools do not go into the same amount of depth about Canadian confederation.
