Doctor Who S30E13: Journey's End [Spoilers]

[Admiral Valdemar]

Wouldn't it be unfortunate for Wimbledon to overrun?

The season finale, folks. RTD's last episode ever, so let's make it a good one, eh?

Whether he makes it a good one, however...

[Drooling Iguana]

I thought RTD was still handling next year's specials.

[Admiral Valdemar]

LALALALALA, I can't hear you!

[Zixinus]

Let's see where this trainwreck shall be rolling...

[NecronLord]

Not the trainwreck I feared.

Also, a giant repeated kick in the balls to the 'half human' element of the TV movie. Excellent.

[Crazedwraith]

Well that was just donkey balls. Just about everybody's presence aside from Donna's were needless and were only there to pad out the whole thing.

I'd figured out Tennant couldn't be leaving. They'd never have kept that secret but it doesn't feel like any less of a cop out.

The Doctor spends all of the final impotently trapped in a forcefield. Yay for drama.

[petesampras]

I thought the Doctors most faithful companion, or whatever, was supposed to die. Nice to see the Doctor was thinking of saving Davros, but not Caan.

That episode was as bad as it gets.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Not the trainwreck I feared.

That's a good joke.

Also, a giant repeated kick in the balls to the 'half human' element of the TV movie. Excellent.

Donna "died". Kind of. Sadly, no one showed her the airlock whilst on the Crucible. Doctor Donna was the single most painful experience of my life, up until they figure out how to make males give birth.

And yay, Cybermen are back for the anal raping the Daleks have just suffered! Ho ho ho, those wacky aliens. When will they learn?

[Crazedwraith]

On the plus side: EXTERNIMINERUM! German Daleks were fun.

That's about the only thing of the plus side I can think of though.

[NecronLord]

I guess you just can't like it if you hate Catherine Tate for the reasons I don't understand.

[petesampras]

Not the trainwreck I feared.

!!!

I hate to think what awful potential Doctor Who episodes haunt your nightmares...

[NecronLord]

On the plus side: EXTERNIMINERUM! German Daleks were fun.

That's about the only thing of the plus side I can think of though.

Davros' ranting insanity made sense? There was no reset button? They actually 'killed' a companion?

[StarKillaz]

At least for once the reset button wasn't fully pushed and it appears the people on Earth remember what happened.

[Admiral Valdemar]

I guess you just can't like it if you hate Catherine Tate for the reasons I don't understand.

I don't have a pathological hatred of Tate, as I have often commented on her not being as bad as I feared as far back as the Xmas special that introduced Donna.

What I do hate, is shit writing. And this was shit writing.

[NecronLord]

What I do hate, is shit writing. And this was shit writing.

Why? There's an above average amount of sci-magic in it (ZOMFG, new doctor) but still. Was it entertaining?

[Crazedwraith]

On the plus side: EXTERNIMINERUM! German Daleks were fun.

That's about the only thing of the plus side I can think of though.

Davros' ranting insanity made sense? There was no reset button? They actually 'killed' a companion?

They did the same bullshit meaning of killed as they did in Doomsday. Donna is not dead.

Davros' ranting may of made sense but his plan was shit and his insane cackling was incredibly awful. And granted the reset was not as bad as Last of The Time Lords but it was still there. Heck Donna got literally re-setted to pre-bride state and other than Mickey being on real Earth, nothing has changed.

On that train of thought if the Chrismas special is set present day, Mickey better be in it and fighting Cybermen.

[NecronLord]

On the plus side: EXTERNIMINERUM! German Daleks were fun.

That's about the only thing of the plus side I can think of though.

Davros' ranting insanity made sense? There was no reset button? They actually 'killed' a companion?

They did the same bullshit meaning of killed as they did in Doomsday. Donna is not dead.

True. But it's close enough.

Davros' ranting may of made sense but his plan was shit

Why? It would have worked...

and his insane cackling was incredibly awful.

That's davros for you.

And granted the reset was not as bad as Last of The Time Lords but it was still there. Heck Donna got literally re-setted to pre-bride state and other than Mickey being on real Earth, nothing has changed.

The Valiant was destroyed, thousands or millions of people were killed, the enviroment fucked over, and every survivor but one saw the world moved.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Why? There's an above average amount of sci-magic in it (ZOMFG, new doctor) but still. Was it entertaining?

There was way more technobabble in it than any other episode I can remember. The entertainment value dropped when any semblance of threat was removed, which was practically from the start given I doubted they'd even kill off an actual companion (and I was right).

This is probably the first finale I truly loathed. At least "Last Of The Time Lords" had Simm Master being all badass and hilarious before Jesus Doctor time and the reset button got pushed.

Davros was great, however. He reminded me of a cross between Kreel from Warhawk and Palpatine from that obscure sci-fi movie series. Why he didn't win and erase reality (for whatever reason; I get those days too, call them Mondays) is a mystery and a great universal injustice. I should write the Shadow Proclamation, but I hear their ability to police is somewhat crap.

[Lord Woodlouse]

A bit lame. The Daleks went out sickeningly easily (and it's another total defeat, so we have to have another lame restart next time we see them).

Highlight of the episode: Daleks speaking German.

[Crazedwraith]

True. But it's close enough.

Not really. If you make a whole sheebang about someone dying and then they don't die. Well colour me disappointe, it made sense in Doomsday. (otherwise, how was Rose narrating?) but this time its both more poorly done and ripping off Doomsday.

Davros' ranting may of made sense but his plan was shit

Why? It would have worked...[/quote[
This I'll concede. But then everyone's plan would have worked until the Doctor came along.

And granted the reset was not as bad as Last of The Time Lords but it was still there. Heck Donna got literally re-setted to pre-bride state and other than Mickey being on real Earth, nothing has changed.

The Valiant was destroyed, thousands or millions of people were killed, the enviroment fucked over, and every survivor but one saw the world moved.

Didn't look so fucked over to me. It was raining that's all and it was temporary.

So stuff happened. I'll wager it won't affect the show in any detail at all. They'll make off hand references to it and call it continuity. Everyone lived, apart from the baddies and a few extras. The next series everything's back to square one. Thee Doctor's wandering randomly , feeling lonely until he finds a new companion.

[Admiral Valdemar]

The Oster-Hagen key: single most pointless MacGuffin in TV history. It's great that Martha and her NERV like collection of teen multi-nationals got together for commit total genocide and then utterly failed in even that. The Liberian had the right idea: "My name isn't going on this".

Good call.
[/Adama]

That they tossed around the Daleks like the 2025 movie is also, I think, something to cry about.

[Lord Woodlouse]

Yeah, the Daleks haven't been this lame since the 1960s. Spinning around and being pushed like they're glorified dustbins. I remember back when season one came out, and RTD was talking about how he wanted to make people scared of Daleks again, make them seem like a real threat. He just reversed that. If you want to stop Daleks just go on and push a bunch of buttons on a random console of theirs. Instant Dalek disco.

I'm sure Stark will tell you I'll go to great lengths to excuse newwho, I love it. I really do, but RTD just did a bloody awful finale.

[petesampras]

A bit lame. The Daleks went out sickeningly easily (and it's another total defeat, so we have to have another lame restart next time we see them).

They surely can't bring them back again now. The Daleks are starting to look more and more like a universal roach infestation that crops up from time to time.

I hope that's it for the Daleks. Unless they bring back Caan. As a companion.

[NecronLord]

That they tossed around the Daleks like the 2025 movie is also, I think, something to cry about.

Like the Daleks Invasion of Earth (to which they've made tons of references) I'd say.

Super-nostalgia for me.

[Lord Woodlouse]

A bit lame. The Daleks went out sickeningly easily (and it's another total defeat, so we have to have another lame restart next time we see them).

They surely can't bring them back again now. The Daleks are starting to look more and more like a universal roach infestation that crops up from time to time.

I hope that's it for the Daleks. Unless they bring back Caan. As a companion.

Er... are you nuts? Of course they'll bring back the Daleks. Daleks are Doctor Who bread and butter. I sorely hope we don't have them at all next season, and hopefully not even in the season after, but they'll come back eventually. They always do.