Doctor Who S30E13: Journey's End [Spoilers]

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-07-05 03:52pm

Kind of like cockroaches
My entertainment levels must have been down, I rather enjoyed it

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2008-07-05 03:59pm

Just a thought: The Doctor used up an entire regeneration in this episode: Tennant is technically the 10th and 11th doctors. Only two left...

petesampras · Post by **petesampras** » 2008-07-05 04:00pm

Crazedwraith wrote:Just a thought: The Doctor used up an entire regeneration in this episode: Tennant is technically the 10th and 11th doctors. Only two left...

13th is the Valeyard. Can't really use him for the TV show.

DaveJB · Post by **DaveJB** » 2008-07-05 04:11pm

petesampras wrote:13th is the Valeyard. Can't really use him for the TV show.

Nnot quite. According to the Master in Trial of a Time Lord, the Valeyard was an incarnation of all the Doctor's evil that somehow got spat out during his last regeneration. And you just know that this "regeneration that never was" or "Doctor 10.1" will never get mentioned again (although frankly I wouldn't blame Moffat if he wanted to draw a line under it).

All in all, it's kind of sad that the pretty good but not in any way great Army of Ghosts/Doomsday is by far the best series finale of the new Doctor Who.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2008-07-05 04:11pm

Crazedwraith wrote:Just a thought: The Doctor used up an entire regeneration in this episode: Tennant is technically the 10th and 11th doctors. Only two left...

They'll give him a new regeneration cycle, just like they gave The Master.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-07-05 04:32pm

Needs Rani.

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-07-05 04:39pm

I've been wondering when she's going to turn up

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-07-05 04:41pm

petesampras wrote:13th is the Valeyard. Can't really use him for the TV show.

Technically, he's an alternate-thirteenth. Could be Rose's quasi-Doctor, if we assume he won't really age normally.

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-07-05 04:44pm

Wonder if Mickey will wind up in Torchwood or UNIT

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2008-07-05 04:57pm

I just remembered: Davros can't do science. His device cancelled out 'the electric field' which I take to means shut down the electrostatic force. Too bad that's not what holds atomic nuclei together.

Minischoles · Post by **Minischoles** » 2008-07-05 04:58pm

A big resounding meh of an episode. Gave it a 2 almost purely based on the German Daleks and seeing all 6 people piloting the TARDIS.
Other than that it was anti-climatic, yet again another kind of reset button finale, RTD is still afraid to kill people, another Deus Ex Machina pulled out.

Donna on her annoying talentless best yet again, honestly when Davros zapped her i was hoping she was dead.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-07-05 05:06pm

Crazedwraith wrote:I just remembered: Davros can't do science. His device cancelled out 'the electric field' which I take to means shut down the electrostatic force. Too bad that's not what holds atomic nuclei together.

He got a contractor to do the work on the Reality Bomb. Can't help it if he didn't listen to the Powerpoint presentation they gave on it.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2008-07-05 05:14pm

That was fucking awful. Not only did they do a cheap cop-out on every single aspect of the cliffhanger but they also gave us a cheesy happily-ever-after ending with Rose and ruined the Daleks so utterly that even I, a Dalek fanboy, am going to have trouble taking them seriously the next time they inevitably show up.

If this poll ran into negative numbers, I'd give it that. Jesus.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2008-07-05 05:18pm

Crazy_Vasey wrote:That was fucking awful. Not only did they do a cheap cop-out on every single aspect of the cliffhanger but they also gave us a cheesy happily-ever-after ending with Rose and ruined the Daleks so utterly that even I, a Dalek fanboy, am going to have trouble taking them seriously the next time they inevitably show up.

If this poll ran into negative numbers, I'd give it that. Jesus.

That was an option, though I went a more interesting route.

I think it's clear what the consensus is.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2008-07-05 05:23pm

I liked it better on second viewing (I watch it again with Zaia). I still think the Daleks were treated criminally cheaply, and almost became a big flashy bangy pointless background image, but it was ok. I voted it a 3.

I'm still glad RTD won't be touching another finale (I quite like a lot of his stand alone episodes).

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2008-07-05 05:30pm

All those comments this series about the bees disappearing never got followed up on, did they?

I wonder if it'll be something for next year. Or just nonsense sprinkled in as a red herring...

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-07-05 05:44pm

Well it's RTD so it's likely to be a red hering

petesampras · Post by **petesampras** » 2008-07-05 05:45pm

I especially liked the way the Doctor got Davros riled up goading him about being the Daleks pet. Then, five minutes later, he is barking orders at the Daleks again. Great consistancy.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2008-07-05 05:49pm

That was probably the most un-even piece of TV I've ever seen. What was the point of the Rose-plot? You could have exercised the whole bloody thing & still reached the same point.

At least thats the end of Rose (thank fuck). If I have to see that tooth-faced troll moon over the Doctor again I think I'd kill.

Now, regarding the end of the episode. I liked it. I liked Donna, I thought it was good to have a WOMAN travel with the Doctor & interact with him in a mature & not-an-I-sqee-for-you-doc-tor fashion. I was impressed by Catherine Tate & felt that the way she left was genuinely heart-breaking.

Too bad that bit of great drama was ruined with some Daleks & shit.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2008-07-05 05:49pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:All those comments this series about the bees disappearing never got followed up on, did they?

I wonder if it'll be something for next year. Or just nonsense sprinkled in as a red herring...

The bees were referenced last episode. Some of them were running away because they knew what was happening, apparently.

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-07-05 05:51pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Needs Rani.

Thinking about it ... just who was it that picked up the Masters ring from his funeral pyre at the end of the season three finale

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2008-07-05 05:54pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:All those comments this series about the bees disappearing never got followed up on, did they?

I wonder if it'll be something for next year. Or just nonsense sprinkled in as a red herring...

It was mentioned last episode, thats how they tracked down the Earth, bees & lasers, with protons & etc...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-07-05 05:56pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:All those comments this series about the bees disappearing never got followed up on, did they?

I wonder if it'll be something for next year. Or just nonsense sprinkled in as a red herring...

They wer in the last episode, but it made no sense whatsoever...

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2008-07-05 06:10pm

I haven't seen the episode yet but I've seen reports on this thread that they brought back the Cybermen. Are these the real Cybermen making their first appearance in the new series, or is it the Cybusmen again?

I hope it's the Cybusmen. The Cybermen are pretty much the only major recurring aliens that RTD hasn't had a chance to fuck up.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2008-07-05 06:31pm

The Cybermen, were only seen very briefly in the Christmas special preview. I don't recall if they were Cybus or not. We didn't get a good shot of the chest plate.

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Doctor Who S30E13: Journey's End [Spoilers]

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