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Crown wrote:Sorry I just read the rest of the thread and saw what level you are. I'm changing my vote to what others said; Take mining and Skinning or Herb and Skinning.

Professions are a time and money sink. You need the gold at 60 for your epic mount (500g-600g depending you your reputation), your flying mount at 70 (1000g) and your Epic Flying mount so you don't pull your hair out in frustration (5000g).

Don't bother leveling any proffession until you've cleared those hurdles mate, trust me. You'll thank me later.
Wow... I never knew that the epic mounts were so dastardly expensive. I'd need to do serious saving up of cash to get that far, which means, as you say, a lot of gathering. :shock:
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Honestly, as I said, getting cash with pure gathering professions is not that bad -- or wasn't when I was doing it. Herbalism is great for that because there's always demand for potions for raid groups, though I suppose that may have changed post-expansion somewhat due to all the ingredients being in Outland. I made a killing on my shaman just ghost wolfing around picking herbs while doing quests, not a lot of real effort involved until after he hit 60, by which time he'd already purchased his epic wolf.

Also, depending on your class, you may not need to worry too much about a mount. Shamans and druids can buy the basic mount but it's hardly worth it due to ghost wolf and travel form, and paladins or warlocks basically get their first mount free (and if you're in an at-all-worthwhile guild you'll get help getting the epic mount).
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:\Wow... I never knew that the epic mounts were so dastardly expensive. I'd need to do serious saving up of cash to get that far, which means, as you say, a lot of gathering. :shock:
Oh, you don't know the half of it. I'll let you in on the secret of how you, as a Paladin, obtain an epic mount (having just gotten mine, the pain's still fresh in my memory). Unless you want to be that guy who plays the Paladin riding around on a racial mount. That guy creeps people out.

You report to one of the Paladin trainers in Stormwind, a guy named Shadowbreaker, and he lets you know that it's time to get yourself a good horse. It will, however require sacrifice (translation: lots of money and time). He sends you to two different people to do the first part of the sacrifice.

First is a dwarf in Stormwind to make the barding. For the barding he requires 6 Arcanite Bars (this parts easier with you being a miner. Make sure to befriend an alchemist to turn the thorium into arcanite), 40 runecloth (you should be drowning in the stuff by level 60), 10 Arthas's Tears (befriend an herbalist), and 5 bottles of Stratholme Holy Water. Which means you're going to have to run Stratholme, which IIRC is one of the highest level pre-Burning Crusade dungeons. Oh, and also he'll need 150 gold as commission.

Second person is another dwarf, who works as a priest in Ironforge. You need a censer from him. As compensation, he requires 150 gold.

When you have either of these parts (they are given as separate quests), return to Shadowbreaker and he gives you the next parts.

After obtaining the censer, you must go to the Eastern Plaguelands, in an area southwest of Stratholme. There, you must use the censer on green clouds in the area to summon spirits, then beat the shit out of them. 25 of them to be precise. Each use of the censer summons 1-3, so you're looking at a minimum of 9 fights.

When you have the barding, you must get it blessed from a horse spirit. Before you can even attempt, to get the blessing, you must give something to placate it. Luckily, someone in Southshore knows the recipe for some magical horse feed. Requires some enriched manna biscuits (about 5 silver per, and requires being Friendly with the Argent Dawn, which if you aren't by this point you're doing the whole Paladin thing wrong). 25, IIRC. Oh, and also you'll need to pay 50 gold because some Paladin in Stormwind called her crazy.

So you have the magical horse feed, now where do you find a horse spirit you can bribe with it? Easy. Dire Maul, another dungeon. Oh, but before you can get to it you have to kill the giant evil ent that's holding it captive. But once that's done, the horse spirit blessing the barding.

So now, you're almost ready for your horse. Why almost? Remember that censer that you filled with angry dead people? It needs to look more impressive. Requires an Azerothian Diamond and a Pristine Black Diamond to be precise (the latter, for your information, was going for 100 gold on the AH on my server).

But once that's done, you're ready to get your horse. Where, you may ask? Why, you're going to steal it, of course. From a Death Knight that hangs out in the Scholomance school of necromancy (another dungeon). You go down to the bone-filled basement, place the censer, and then battle waves of spirits that involve an interesting application of Paladin Judgements to make the fight easier. After a few waves, the Death Knight appears, you kick his ass, steal the soul of his horse, and redeem it. And presto, one epic mount.

Makes up for the fact that you can get your normal mount for under 1 gold.
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Almost as cool as the Warlock epic mount quest, which culminates in a battle in which you summon a demon, beat the shit out of him, and steal his flaming horse. Like...you summon him from another dimension for the express purpose of flaming-horse rustling.
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Does the last part of the Paladin quest require help of sorts? That quest sounds downright intimidating. :shock:
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Does the last part of the Paladin quest require help of sorts? That quest sounds downright intimidating. :shock:
You'll want a full party for the Scholomance run. You'll probably want one for Stratholme as well, but if you're in a guild that is at all worthwhile you'll be able to get help.

Actually, if you can get help from the 70s in your guild, you shouldn't have any trouble and the runs should go very quickly. You could probably take fewer people as well, given the enormous difference in gear from the Outlands compared to what Stratholme and Scholomance were designed for. I helped a Warlock buddy get his epic mount from Dire Maul with my level 70 feral druid and I had a field day; our priest lost his internet connection towards the end of the run and we just kept going until he caught up because I could pop out toss a heal over times then shift back into bearform, at least on trash mobs.
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I prefer the Blood Elf version :twisted:
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Reading about that made me laugh. Then shake my head at Blizzard's increasingly bizarre attempts to paint a "both sides are decent folks" picture.
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Blizzard do seem to have a problem coming up with new ideas since about the second year of the game. WoW is a fine game for the first 30 or so levels, then the novelty wears off and you realise you're not doing anything you didn't do in the first 30 levels.

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Kuja wrote:Reading about that made me laugh. Then shake my head at Blizzard's increasingly bizarre attempts to paint a "both sides are decent folks" picture.
They do? I was under the impression that they were going with more of a "both sides are jerks" route.

Out of the playable races, the Tauren are the ones who are pretty consistently not jerks. Their entire asshole population consist of the Grimtotem.

Orcs? Thrall's alright, but most of the rest are dicks.
Trolls? Spend 15 minutes in Stranglethorn Vale if you don't believe me.
Dwarves? They're alright. Probably one of the lowest asshole per capita races in the Alliance.
Gnomes? Have you met their warlocks? They're hilarious and bring being an asshole to new comedic heights, but that doesn't make them not jerks.
Do I even need to explain how the Forsaken and Blood Elves are jerks?
Humans? They're like the Orcs. A few good apples, but the rest of them are total dicks.
Draenei? The whole thing about over half their species trying to destroy the universe puts a damper on their image.

And then there are the Night Elves. I could go on for some time with the Night Elves. They are, in my opinion, among the biggest dicks in all of WoW, and reigned uncontested in that category until the inclusion of the Blood Elves. The least of their offenses is that they apparently hate all the other races, including the other Alliance races. You want proof? Find the Mage trainer in Darnassus. There isn't one. How about the Paladin trainer? Nope. Shaman? Fuck you, go to the Exodar. Alright. How about the mining trainer? What the Hell do you mean there's no mining trainer? If Stormwind can make room in their budget for a fucking Druid trainer, the least you guys could have done is to hire a dwarf to stand around and let me train engineering without having to sail to a different continent.

So the way I see it, Blizzard's overall message is "Elves suck"
Lord Pounder wrote:Blizzard do seem to have a problem coming up with new ideas since about the second year of the game. WoW is a fine game for the first 30 or so levels, then the novelty wears off and you realise you're not doing anything you didn't do in the first 30 levels.
Burning Crusade came out with some cool new things. Unfortunately, unless you make a Blood Elf, Draenei, or are already level 58+, you aren't going to see that.

For example, there's an awesome quest line in the Draenei starting area where you become the Prophesied Hero of a tribe of Furbolgs. It basically starts out as a series of fetch quests, but it is really well done. It involves locating a number of furbolg ancestral spirits, and when you'd find one, they'd give you a buff that helped you find the next one. For example, one would tell you to look for the next one at the bottom of the ocean, and then give you a buff that gives you water breathing and increased swim speed.

And one of the fairly early Outland quests involves flying over the burnt up landscape on a gryphon and throwing bombs at demons.

The only quest I encountered in Azeroth that reached that level of uniqueness was Tethyr. (For those that don't know, Tethyr is a kraken. The battle with him consists of running across the docks of an Alliance settlement dodging high-powered jets of water being spit at you while firing mortars at Tethyr in order to damage him. Why? Because he's a skull-level boss, but the quest to kill him comes at level 36).
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Civil War Man wrote:They do? I was under the impression that they were going with more of a "both sides are jerks" route.

Out of the playable races, the Tauren are the ones who are pretty consistently not jerks. Their entire asshole population consist of the Grimtotem.
Ah, yes, the Grimtotem - in league with various undead and other unsavories. Of course, those undead seem to have more taste for primate meat than cows, which may be a factor. Still, I like the Taurens, which may be why I play them so often.

You run into a few bad Taurens - the Dead Mines, for instance, working under Van Cleef - but the majority seem pretty decent.
Orcs? Thrall's alright, but most of the rest are dicks.
Thrall is hardly a normal Orc, having been raised by a human family. Then again, that could account for his general competence. The Mag'har seem pretty decent, too, but then they aren't the ones that drank demonic blood and you don't seem them until Outland anyhow. The average Orc strikes me as uneducated and operating on the level of a street gang member crossed with a redneck - gimme fistfights and booze sort of "culture", the sort that, in our world, would appear regularly on Cops.
Trolls? Spend 15 minutes in Stranglethorn Vale if you don't believe me.
And if you're still not sure, observe the cannibalistic tendencies a little closer. The ones in Tanaris aren't very friendly, either.
Dwarves? They're alright. Probably one of the lowest asshole per capita races in the Alliance.
That's because, apparently, it's a major life goal of most of them to brew enough booze to be drunk off their ass as much as possible. At least they tend to be friendly drunks.
Gnomes? Have you met their warlocks? They're hilarious and bring being an asshole to new comedic heights, but that doesn't make them not jerks.
Hard to say - sort of annoying the way they squish under Tauren hooves. Whoops, just stepped on another! Yeah, hard to take the Evil Warlock seriously when she has bubblegum pink hair.
Do I even need to explain how the Forsaken and Blood Elves are jerks?
For those not familar with WoW - the Forsaken are former members of an undead army that broke away from the Big Scary Evil Dude that killed them with a plague then raised them to be killer zombies. They still have the "killer" part intact, and pretty much hate everyone and everything, including a hefty dose of self-loathing. Many of their quests involve things like revenge and/or killing farmer's dogs with poison, gathering ingredients for poisons, and poisoning prisoners of war.
Humans? They're like the Orcs. A few good apples, but the rest of them are total dicks.
But unlike Orcs, they're educated dicks. But what the fuck is up with the half dozen cooking recipes using spider parts? There are fucking rabbits, sheep, pigs, and cows running everywhere in their lands and they're eating spiders?
Draenei? The whole thing about over half their species trying to destroy the universe puts a damper on their image.
Half? More like 99%. The Dranei are the black sheep of their race, the ones who went over to the other side of the Universal Battle between Good and Evil. Oh, sure, saved by the wonderful Naaru - a "good", nay, angelic race that, when "dead", converts critters to things like voidwalkers and who allow the systematic torture of one of their own by the Blood Elves to continue without a peep.

The Blood Elves, it turns out, are all magical junkies on the verge of turning into monsters. Their paladins - wielders of "The Light" - actually suck their power out of an imprisoned Naaru. Rather like claiming to be good guys while sucking the life force out of an angel.
And then there are the Night Elves. I could go on for some time with the Night Elves. They are, in my opinion, among the biggest dicks in all of WoW, and reigned uncontested in that category until the inclusion of the Blood Elves. The least of their offenses is that they apparently hate all the other races, including the other Alliance races.
"Arrogant bastards" is my impression of them. Sneaky arrogant bastards.
Alright. How about the mining trainer? What the Hell do you mean there's no mining trainer?
Darnasssus is on top of an unbelievably huge tree, you ninny - there aren't any mining nodes there, either. You can't use the skill until you get to the mainland and there's a mining trainer right in Auberdine - which is the one lack of trainer in Darnassus that actually makes sense.
So the way I see it, Blizzard's overall message is "Elves suck"
Well, yeah - didn't you know that before you started playing the game? Stupid elves!
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Burning Crusade came out with some cool new things. Unfortunately, unless you make a Blood Elf, Draenei, or are already level 58+, you aren't going to see that.
Well, the Ghostlands are open to any Horde player, and there's that one quest line where you help out a merchant who then opens for business with you.

The recent addition of a bunch of new stuff in Dustwallow Marsh on both the Alliance and the Horde side have been good, too - they aren't all "kill 20 mobs for 5 drops" quests.
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Sharp-kun wrote:I prefer the Blood Elf version :twisted:
Clue me in on this. Blood Elves and their rampant, moustache-twirling, blood-sucking, angel-torturing assholery is basically one of the only draws World of Warcraft has. :)
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I always thought the Blood Elves are just a more whimsy version of the Dark Eldar in Warhammer. :lol: The same applies to any of the other races.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I always thought the Blood Elves are just a more whimsy version of the Dark Eldar in Warhammer. :lol: The same applies to any of the other races.
I think a distinction needs to be made. Blood Elves aren't evil, they're too busy snorting faerie dust to be actively evil. They're just a bunch of really big pricks. :wink:
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Ford Prefect wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:I prefer the Blood Elf version :twisted:
Clue me in on this. Blood Elves and their rampant, moustache-twirling, blood-sucking, angel-torturing assholery is basically one of the only draws World of Warcraft has. :)
I loved my blood elf paladin, though he lacked a moustache to twirl. The racial came in handy on several occasions, and I'd actually planned on getting the chocobo...er...racial mount in addition to my paladin mount once he hit 60.

I decided they were the best race in the game when I went into the basement of the tailor shop in their main city (blanked on the name) and there were a bunch of leper gnome slaves working the looms. With a succubus overseer. But then I hate gnomes. :twisted: :lol:

There's also an area in the city where a bunch of Blood Elves are protesting the rulers' policies and some mages are sent to handle the protesters. Utterly hilarious even if nobody dies.
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Ford Prefect wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I always thought the Blood Elves are just a more whimsy version of the Dark Eldar in Warhammer. :lol: The same applies to any of the other races.
I think a distinction needs to be made. Blood Elves aren't evil, they're too busy snorting faerie dust to be actively evil. They're just a bunch of really big pricks. :wink:
Yuppie metrosexual (male) or Hollywood starlet wannabe (female) assholes on steroids with a fondness for nose candy and overpriced wine.
I'd actually planned on getting the chocobo...er...racial mount
You mean those riding chickens? :D
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Jaevric wrote:I loved my blood elf paladin, though he lacked a moustache to twirl. The racial came in handy on several occasions, and I'd actually planned on getting the chocobo...er...racial mount in addition to my paladin mount once he hit 60.
Bah. The Alliance has better mounts. My only regret is that as Draenei I am not allowed to ride a Mechanostrider.

The most awesome mount, however, is the Amani War Bear. Yes. Bear Cavalry. You are pretty much fucked. Unfortunately it will cease to be attainable when Wrath of the Lich King comes out, so I doubt I will be able to get it myself.
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Jaevric wrote:On advice of a friend, my first character was "engineering/enchanting." I no longer take advice from that friend.
My main is an engineer enchanter.

It's AWESOME for a main. You get the engineering niftiness (jumper cables can often help with wipe recovery, repair bots can save tons of time as well), and you get the self enchants for your rings, helping your raid DPS.

Of course, I ignored professions until I was 70. (I started out as a gatherer but the people I levelled with already had it covered, so I didn't bother).
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Jaevric wrote:
Ford Prefect wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:I prefer the Blood Elf version :twisted:
Clue me in on this. Blood Elves and their rampant, moustache-twirling, blood-sucking, angel-torturing assholery is basically one of the only draws World of Warcraft has. :)
I loved my blood elf paladin, though he lacked a moustache to twirl. The racial came in handy on several occasions, and I'd actually planned on getting the chocobo...er...racial mount in addition to my paladin mount once he hit 60.

I decided they were the best race in the game when I went into the basement of the tailor shop in their main city (blanked on the name) and there were a bunch of leper gnome slaves working the looms. With a succubus overseer. But then I hate gnomes. :twisted: :lol:

There's also an area in the city where a bunch of Blood Elves are protesting the rulers' policies and some mages are sent to handle the protesters. Utterly hilarious even if nobody dies.
name of the belf capital is Silvermoon City, and the racials are are really nice if you know when to use them (unlike most racial abilies, pretty all I use in addition to Mana Tap/Arcane Torrent is Gift of the Naruu(draenei) and Shadowmeld(night elf)) and like the Hawkstriders dispite their inherent sillyness (ofc both my blood elf characters are female so they don't look as silly as the men).
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If I'd waited until I was 70 to start skilling up my tradeskills I would've been fine. Instead, I was grinding them up while I levelled to 60 (pre-expansion). So I was pretty much perpetually broke.

The jumper cables were great since I was a druid though, and the repair bot also (though people bitched at me about how much the thing cost to use, and one idiot started raising hell that I should be made to distribute the money back to the raid group before someone told him I don't get to keep it.)


Anyway, the best racial mount is the kodo. Specifically the Black War Kodo, the Humvee of WoW, for when you want to be absolutely certain everyone sees you coming.
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I have a horse.

It is on fire.

That is all.
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I like my mount. It has teeth and scales and claws and FEATHERS! Yeah, mount with a feather headdress. I like my Troll Lizard.

Anyway, my main has mining/tailoring, and I'm gonna drop the mining when my gathering alt gets to outland and/or WOTLK comes out. depending on what engineering, enchanting and inscribing look like, not sure what I'm gonna pick. I would have taken Engineering a long time ago, but Eng. and Mages don't mix very well. Not to much gear I can wear or use besides the bombs, and by the time a lot of things get into bombing range, they are already dead. Why does Eng. have to be so damn cool looking?! Grrr!
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My horse is on fire and has spikey bits. Yeah, I'm a Blood Elf warlock, and though should Mana Tap should probably be made to scale more in line with the NPC Blood Elves, Arcane Torrent is such an awesome racial, even against Rogues.

Elven warlocks and paladins have awesome mounts. All the other classes are somewhat...screwed.

I leveled Tailoring/Enchanting (along with First Aid & Cooking) as I leveled my Warlock, and there were several situations where Tailoring gave me better gear than I otherwise would have had readily available.

I've got a Pally alt I'm working on now, and he's going to go Mining/Engineering, with the endgame goal of getting him to be either Prot or Holy.
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Ford Prefect wrote:
Sharp-kun wrote:I prefer the Blood Elf version :twisted:
Clue me in on this. Blood Elves and their rampant, moustache-twirling, blood-sucking, angel-torturing assholery is basically one of the only draws World of Warcraft has. :)
You go into Stratholme, into the Chapel at the start of the undead side. You put out the sacred flame thats protecting the place, kill the paladin inside, then kill the 5 paladins that come to his aid.


Blood Elves aren't so evil these days though, Sunwell Plateau's kind of reduced it.

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I did alch/herb with a specialty in transmutation. Herbalism pays for everything, and the potions let me make the really awesome transmutes.
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