SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK V

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-07-08 02:47pm

I think it's time for:

SHROOMZILLA!!!

Though I would point out that, since I never deployed nuclear weapons, it'd be a waste to target me. Wink

Yes we are lucky to survive the end.

But I guess Skimmer will finish us of.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-07-08 02:50pm

Coyote wrote:Royal Navy forces based in the Shinra Republic-- those that weren't at sea on patrols-- were caught like the rest; the only force to escape destruction entirely was the South Seas Fleet at Port Serenity, Gottland.

Actually Shep's little first strike got blunted. At this point we have no idea if Skimmer is even going to fire, what he's going to fire, or whether it'll be successful or not.

So I wouldn't count out those ships just yet...

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-08 02:53pm

Coilerburg is dead for all intents and purposed. A hit with salted weapons will contaminate his soil for five years, effectively turning him into a Fallout-style Wasteland.

And yeah, I can already see exciting posts like:

Paul was satisfied with himself. Only 3000 PeZookians died of starvation today, which was nothing compared to what was going on immediately after the attacks. A couple more months and farming would become possible again, which may reduce yearly deaths even further!

PeZookia was clearly making progress.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-08 03:06pm

Cookie if you realize why I chose the song.

Occurs to me that the Navy hasn't been seen yet. About two thirds of it will almost certainly be destroyed in port, if he can manage to hit the ports, but the other third is already out of port, and so won't be killed by the attack. And damn it, I forgot the air defense wings. The problem with going off memory.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-07-08 03:06pm

PeZook wrote:Well, yeah...I mean, it's quite clear why the IRT would be, ah, "irritated" by the Co-60 fallout, and I guess it was overkill for us to use them.

Vedra and the northern part of the Bear Republic are also pretty heavily dusted as well, and what I'm currently doing to the BR can't help, either.

But if we let the war run its course and the UAR rebuild its arsenal, then we'd be next. Anybody sane would see that a nuke confrontation between the MESS and the UAR would involve the FUN.

Oh, I'd launch, too, though in this case it looked like the UAR was trying to avoid the FUN joining in.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-07-08 03:11pm

phongn wrote:
But if we let the war run its course and the UAR rebuild its arsenal, then we'd be next. Anybody sane would see that a nuke confrontation between the MESS and the UAR would involve the FUN.
Oh, I'd launch, too, though in this case it looked like the UAR was trying to avoid the FUN joining in.

It was inevitable anyway. They would've found an excuse to hit the FUN sooner or later. Or the FUN would have almost certainly first striked at some point anyway after this little exchange.

Although it was bound to happen anyway. The MESS was attacked, and Byzantium is a member of the MESS. Even with Shep's "ignore them unless they fire at us" order he would've hit back. So Shep would either sit there and take it or fire back at Byzantium...which would have brought Stas into it anyway.

Basically, they just saved themselves a step.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-08 03:15pm

After seeing a huge nuclear attack launched on the flimsiest of justifications, the FUN joining in was pretty much inevitable. Either we'd have nuked the UAR after the initial exchange to make sure they stayed dead, or it would've went like it did right now. There was no third option.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-07-08 03:34pm

Actually, from the point of view of our characters in-game, there was zero justification at all-- Shep did what we all feared he'd do one day; wake up on the wrong side of the bed and push The Button. Even in-game, none of the MESS leadership had ever gotten together to discuss a first strike, it was all OOC contemplation. So in other words, to the people of Nova Terra, it was the ramblings of paranoid voices in his head that pushed everything over the brink.

Heh.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2008-07-08 05:28pm

Its the same as with TF-23, Shep decided to use OOC info as if it were in-game intel and reacted accordingly. So in-game it was the equivalent of his paranoia meter hitting 11 and him reacting as only Shep can.

The problem being that Skimmer is still sitting utouched as only Shep has declared launches. He is runngin straight into defenses that have spent the last two to three years perfecting fighting him AND with the bonus of all the RT's data from the OMSK days (which being only a year and a half out of date is pretty damn good).

I figure of my counter-strike by sub that 100 of the 144 will get through (or at least detonate over viable targets given that they arm 5 minutes after launch). With yield in the 200 kT range that's a nice 200MT barrage hitting all of his most sensitive air defense installations and blinding him to the incoming waves of B-1Bs and their accompanying escorts...even before any follow on waves of ship-launched TLAM-Ns go into action or any follow on MESS strikes go into action.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-07-08 05:54pm

I should point out my Hoof-n-Mouth disease strike was against Shep; I won't hit at Saddam if he doesn't hit at me. "Case Joker's Wild" was an anti-Shep measure; I wanted to keep Saddam out of it.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2008-07-08 05:56pm

Yeah and I think I have made it clear that all my defenses were oriented against Shep as Skimmer at least came to the table (before Bean shot a diplomat on neutral territory) and was willing to negotiate. Shep just wanted to push the button and never bothered to play his country as if they were a nation with needs other than the military.

My big regret isn't laying nuclear waste to his territory but that so many civilians "in-game" died because Shep is a douchebag unnaccountable to them.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-07-08 07:07pm

CmdrWilkens wrote:The problem being that Skimmer is still sitting utouched as only Shep has declared launches. He is runngin straight into defenses that have spent the last two to three years perfecting fighting him AND with the bonus of all the RT's data from the OMSK days (which being only a year and a half out of date is pretty damn good).

Saddamistan just got blasted by Zor, actually, in a massive pre-emptive strike.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-07-08 07:29pm

frak, I don't have time to wade through all of this with an hour a day to be online while my machine is down.

ok, who started what?

and how many "Fallout" cartoons were used?

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2008-07-08 07:36pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:ok, who started what?

Shep started it, by launching a massive nuclear strike against-everyone who wasn't the UAR.

and how many "Fallout" cartoons were used?

As far as I can tell, none so far.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-07-08 07:46pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:frak, I don't have time to wade through all of this with an hour a day to be online while my machine is down.

Shep launched a nuclear attack on the MESS, pretty much savaging Canassia and selectively hitting certain other MESS nations in the initial strikes. FUN then retaliated against the UAR entirely, and then the MESS' counterstrike is now in progress.

Meanwhile, the IRT started detecting Co-60 dusting coming it's way, and got pissed off. It promptly started attacking FUN space assets and preemptively hit your forces to buy time for any incoming raid headed over your territory.

The MESS may be annoyed at me for launching huge ASAT strikes and I may shortly be on the receiving end of nuclear weapons.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-07-08 08:03pm

phongn wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:frak, I don't have time to wade through all of this with an hour a day to be online while my machine is down.
Shep launched a nuclear attack on the MESS, pretty much savaging Canassia and selectively hitting certain other MESS nations in the initial strikes. FUN then retaliated against the UAR entirely, and then the MESS' counterstrike is now in progress.

Meanwhile, the IRT started detecting Co-60 dusting coming it's way, and got pissed off. It promptly started attacking FUN space assets and preemptively hit your forces to buy time for any incoming raid headed over your territory.

The MESS may be annoyed at me for launching huge ASAT strikes and I may shortly be on the receiving end of nuclear weapons.

Yes, but WHY did you hit my Civilian areas when I put all my military in the South to keep my civilian casualties low?

I have purhaps a handful of bases in the north which are all primarily used for civilian traffic (since almost all my freight traffic is by air)

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-07-08 08:10pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Yes, but WHY did you hit my Civilian areas when I put all my military in the South to keep my civilian casualties low?

Repeating a post from another thread ...

phongn wrote:
The Yosemite Bear wrote:I thought you were joking at first Phong.

oh BTW why did you guys target my CIVILIAN Northern zone, and leave my Militarized Southern Desert Region completely intact?
Any incoming attack pretty much can use your northern territory as a safe zone, and I was only attacking things of military value - command-and-control facilities, airports and whatnot along with your air force and defenses. Also, Stas Bush's map shows massive missile launch sites to your north, which means I can't just ignore them and would expect them to be heavily defended.

Now, if that map is in error we can probably change the targeting around, which also gives you more warning time to deal with my incoming strike package but I'm using massive nuclear barrages to offset your major conventional superiority. Also, my targeteers have to assume your northern airfields can be used for military traffic.

Finally, the massive Co-60 attacks on Shepnukistan is probably going to dust your civilian-heavy northern region with a lot of long-lived fallout

Also, if you've kept your airfields and C4ISR facilities away from your civilians, I haven't actually killed many of your people. My second-strike will probably attempt to hit your more heavily militarized south next, then (unless you'd like me to rewrite your attack based on your actual disposition of forces)

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-07-08 08:11pm

He basically did it out of spite.

Funny; this started theoretically because he thought Beowulf was planning a strike; he'd also stated before that the LSR was the prime target because they're our nuke repository, and yet it's Canissia-- the least militarized of all MESS nations-- that gets its fudge packed. Very funny.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-08 08:14pm

Coyote wrote:Funny; this started theoretically because he thought Beowulf was planning a strike; he'd also stated before that the LSR was the prime target because they're our nuke repository, and yet it's Canissia-- the least militarized of all MESS nations-- that gets its fudge packed. Very funny.

To be honest; plans change. You are very close to shepnukistan and you do have nuclear capable delivery systems on it; so we hit you with a fraction of our forces to head off that attack. Besides, if we hit the LSR first, you'd have forewarning of the attack, due to teh distances.

Don't worry; the "outer tier" MESS nations just got fudgepacked.

and they just got a final cocktail of SSA and SSS

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-08 08:40pm

And TF Cuntpuncher is formed!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-08 08:58pm

phongn wrote:Saddamistan just got blasted by Zor, actually, in a massive pre-emptive strike.

With like, what 30 ICBMs using old OMSK warheads. I think Saddamistan wiped out Zor in reply (logically).

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-08 09:01pm

As for post attack recovery:

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-08 09:06pm

Hum, you know, it makes no sense for me not to include Tian Xia in my first strike with bombers; I have the tanker assets to reach everyone in the MESS' outer tier members; the only difference is that the TOTs would be different; e.g. Tian Xia gets hit 20 Minutes after the first RB-1Ds and B-1Cs begin hitting Wilkonian and LSR targets.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-08 09:23pm

Been looking at a map, and it's a good chance that this is the area of land largely rendered useless for five years, if we assume winds blow from west to east on SDN World:

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-07-08 09:37pm

You mean aside from having enough bombers to do an adequate job in the face of defense? You've got bombers that were taken by the RoN, you've got your own bomber cuts. You've probably got 3 B-1 wings, including a strategic recon wing. In opposition, you've got several entire air defense commands. It doesn't take much to be able to take down your bomber force, unless you start using SRAMs to try to take out the fighters, or launch them at near maximum range, which allows anti ballistic missile to engage. Which the entire MESS has. So you need to try to overload. Which means reducing the number of countries you go after.

(started with 7 wings, added 2 later, lost 2 to RoN, lost another 4 to bomber cuts)