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Animal-Rights Protests Grow Violent
By MARCUS WOHLSEN, AP
Posted: 2008-07-08 13:14:45
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BERKELEY, California (July 8) - In the hills above the University of California's Berkeley campus, nine protesters gathered in front of the home of a toxicology professor, their faces covered with scarves and hoods despite the warm spring weather.

One scrawled "killer" in chalk on the scientist's doorstep, while another hurled insults through a bullhorn and announced, "Your neighbor kills animals!" Someone shattered a window.

Activists Take Rage to Scientist's Home
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Animal rights activists are becoming increasingly confrontational, heading right to the doorsteps of scientists. Here, protesters demonstrate outside the home of a University of California professor in Berkeley, Calif., May 31.

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Borrowing the kind of tactics used by anti-abortion demonstrators, animal rights activists are increasingly taking their rage straight to scientists' front doors.

Over the past couple of years, more and more researchers who experiment on animals have been harassed and terrorized in their own homes with weapons that include firebombs, flooding and acid.

Scientists say the vandalism and intimidation threaten not just themselves and their families but the future of medical research. Specialists in such fields as addiction, eyesight and the aging brain have been targeted.

"It used to be everyone was worried about their laboratories being broken into and their data being destroyed, their animals being taken away," said Jeffrey Kordower, head of the Society for Neuroscience's animal research committee. "What they've decided to do now is make things more personal."

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In May 2008, an animal rights group stripped nearly naked before lying down on the floor of a shopping mall in Sydney, Australia. The "die-in" protested the export of live animals.

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Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."

The Washington-based Foundation for Biomedical Research said researchers were harassed or otherwise victimized more than 70 times in 2003, up from just 10 the year before. The number of attacks has held steady or risen ever since, according to the group.

Activists say the escalation in tactics results from a frustration that nonviolent methods have failed to stop what they call the needless torture and killing of animals.

"An animal has as much of a right to life as we do. To take a life without provocation is immoral, it's violent, there's no excuse for it," said Jacob Black, 23, an organizer of demonstrations at the homes of UC Berkeley researchers. "To name and shame these people as morally bankrupt individuals in our society is key."

A Web site aimed at Berkeley lists the names of a dozen researchers and their home, work and e-mail addresses, their photos, and often their home numbers. The roster also includes graphic descriptions of each scientist's purported work with animals.

"This information is here so that others may pressure these individuals with legal protests - we do not participate in or encourage illegal activity," the Web site says.

Despite that disclaimer, the late May protest in the Berkeley hills left a window of the toxicology professor's home shattered along with the window of a neighbor, who sprayed demonstrators with a garden hose to drive them away.

Activists say researchers drill holes into the skulls of monkeys and cats in pursuit of esoteric discoveries that will never help anyone.

But scientists say every effort is made to minimize the suffering of animals used in experiments. Rigorous government and university regulations provide detailed protocols for the humane treatment of lab animals. And scientists must show they have exhausted all other options to obtain data before they turn to animals as test subjects.

Many scientists are reluctant to discuss the effect violent incidents have had on biomedical research. They worry that any sign the attacks are succeeding could just lead to more of the same.

But at least one researcher decided the pressure was too much.

In 2006, activists began besieging the homes of several UCLA professors. Masked protesters converged on scientists' homes late at night, banging on doors, throwing firecrackers and chanting, "We know where you sleep," according to court documents.

Threatening calls and e-mails followed. Firebombs were left near homes three times; two failed to go off, while the third charred a front door. One professor's home was flooded when a garden hose was shoved through a broken window.

During the onslaught, which lasted two years, a UCLA scientist with small children informed protesters he had stopped doing animal research.

"Effective immediately, I am no longer doing animal research," vision researcher Dario Ringach wrote in an e-mail. "Please don't bother my family anymore."

Though no one has been seriously hurt since the jump in home protests, the attacks have drawn the attention of the FBI. The agency has broad authority to investigate animal rights incidents under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act of 2006.

"We consider this to be a serious problem, especially when people's lives are being disrupted," said agent David Strange, who oversees a domestic counterterrorism squad at the FBI's Oakland office. "We call it terrorism because it is a violent act violating federal criminal laws that has a political or social motivation to it."

Six members of a Philadelphia-based organization were sentenced to federal prison after they and the group itself were convicted in 2006 of using a Web site to incite threats, harassment and vandalism against people connected with a company that tests drugs and household products on animals.

But otherwise, few activists have been prosecuted, because of free speech concerns and the movement's extreme secrecy.

Recently, federal investigators joined a probe into an alleged February assault against the husband of a University of California, Santa Cruz breast-cancer researcher who experiments on mice. Police said masked activists pounded on the family's front door during a birthday party for their young daughter, and one threw a punch when the husband tried to force them to leave.

Afterward, UC Santa Cruz Chancellor George Blumenthal backed a proposed state law that would limit activists' access to public information about animal experiments. Blumenthal called acts against animal researchers "the greatest threat to academic freedom that I've seen in the history of this campus."

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Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."
The line after the compound-sentence comma directly contradicts the line before it. Arrest his ass.
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Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."
The line after the compound-sentence comma directly contradicts the line before it. Arrest his ass.
He's made statements like that before, in 2003 and then again in 2004. Of course, he was quoted out of context :roll: . As a result of those statements he was banned from entering the UK in 2004.
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The fact that they wear masks tells volumes. It means that they know what they are doing is wrong and a violation of the people they harass and that they kn ow they are braking the law.
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I get these kinds of stories in a newsletter e-mail at my work. It's often the US, though every now and then you will find similar groups like the ALF or SHAC try and grab some headlines for a while with some despicable act.
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Um. Don't you think there's something morally questionable about drilling holes in the skulls of monkeys to get information that doesn't have a direct medical value? I mean, if this was research that had a direct link to saving human lives, then I would support the research, but the article leaves the significance of the research unaddressed. Given their obvious anti-PETA bias, if there was some significance to the research they'd bring it up to counter PETA's argument.
Activists say researchers drill holes into the skulls of monkeys and cats in pursuit of esoteric discoveries that will never help anyone.

But scientists say every effort is made to minimize the suffering of animals used in experiments. Rigorous government and university regulations provide detailed protocols for the humane treatment of lab animals. And scientists must show they have exhausted all other options to obtain data before they turn to animals as test subjects.
Notice how they change the topic rather than addressing the (potentially) valid point that PETA makes. If the research doesn't directly lead to helping anyone, then's its totally unethical for them to hurt sentient mammals to do it.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:Um. Don't you think there's something morally questionable about drilling holes in the skulls of monkeys to get information that doesn't have a direct medical value? I mean, if this was research that had a direct link to saving human lives, then I would support the research, but the article leaves the significance of the research unaddressed. Given their obvious anti-PETA bias, if there was some significance to the research they'd bring it up to counter PETA's argument.
I find firebombing people's homes and threatening to kill them far more morally questionable than experimenting on animals. I'd be anti-PETA (if I wasn't already) too if they threatened to kill me.
Notice how they change the topic rather than addressing the (potentially) valid point that PETA makes. If the research doesn't directly lead to helping anyone, then's its totally unethical for them to hurt sentient mammals to do it.
What the fuck make's PETA's tactics ethical in the slightest? If their point was valid they wouldn't have to resort to terrorism.
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And the "drilling" is normally a small hole for electrodes, PETA makes it out like they are strapping a screaming monkey down and taking a power drill to it's head, all the while cackling maniacally, but I don't expect honesty from extremists.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:Um. Don't you think there's something morally questionable about drilling holes in the skulls of monkeys to get information that doesn't have a direct medical value? I mean, if this was research that had a direct link to saving human lives, then I would support the research, but the article leaves the significance of the research unaddressed. Given their obvious anti-PETA bias, if there was some significance to the research they'd bring it up to counter PETA's argument.
Activists say researchers drill holes into the skulls of monkeys and cats in pursuit of esoteric discoveries that will never help anyone.

But scientists say every effort is made to minimize the suffering of animals used in experiments. Rigorous government and university regulations provide detailed protocols for the humane treatment of lab animals. And scientists must show they have exhausted all other options to obtain data before they turn to animals as test subjects.
Notice how they change the topic rather than addressing the (potentially) valid point that PETA makes. If the research doesn't directly lead to helping anyone, then's its totally unethical for them to hurt sentient mammals to do it.
You cant get something past an IRB dealing with monkeys and cats unless there is a salient medical technology being developed.

On the other hand, if they are drilling holes in the skulls of monkeys there are only a few things they are doing. One of which, and the most likely, something that is done under the lab I work in, is to develop a direct-brain interface for fully robotic prosthetic limbs. Not exactly esoteric.
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Resinence wrote:And the "drilling" is normally a small hole for electrodes, PETA makes it out like they are strapping a screaming monkey down and taking a power drill to it's head, all the while cackling maniacally, but I don't expect honesty from extremists.
There is that as well. The monkeys are sedated, the holes are tiny, the rhesus monkeys do not really feel them at all. With them, they can be trained to manipulate robot arms, and the workings of the brain can be studied in ways we cant do in less invasive ways.
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Incedentally, the picture PETA is using came from the 50's if I understand correctally and was used to develop a treatment for victims of spinal injuries to allow them to heal without risk of causing damage or further damage to the spine.

I could take a picture of a man in a halo neck brace and use that to say the doctors are cruel to people and employ torture on their patients.
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Is there any kind of affiliation of Peta with the ALF, because nowhere in the article is PETA mentioned, but the ALF sure is. Not to defend Peta, but...
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A quick Google search turned up this, which says PETA provides funds to ALF and ELF. So yeah, they're connected. It's a shame that the FBI doesn't seem to think that PETA is a terrorist group, despite rightfully classifying ELF and ALF as such.
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So, bratty little PETA peeps aren't getting enough attention and notice that the ecoterrorists of the Earth Liberation Front get lots of attention when they burn stuff down, so they want to get on the ecoterroism bandwagon too so they can get lots of attention for themselves.

Darth Yoshi posted this right before I could type it out. Can we start calling them a terrorist group now? Please? It'll give those folks in Homeland Security something to do instead of nonsensical crap they normally do.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:A quick Google search turned up this, which says PETA provides funds to ALF and ELF. So yeah, they're connected. It's a shame that the FBI doesn't seem to think that PETA is a terrorist group, despite rightfully classifying ELF and ALF as such.
PETA also pays for the defense of ALF members when they go to trial and help pay other expenses for them.

They have convicted members of ALF go about giving lectures claiming that their convictions are the same as those against Martin Luther King jr, Gandi, etc(they add Jesus to make themself sound morally superior).

They call their acts leading to these arrests as random acts of kindness never saying that part of those acts include beating up security guards and firebombing labs. The list goes on and on.
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Hm, more connections than I thought. Thanks.
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It would not shock me one bit to hear these folks wanting to put anyone they consider 'animal abusers' into concentration camps.
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Perhaps someone should mention to these fucks that humans are animals too...
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:Um. Don't you think there's something morally questionable about drilling holes in the skulls of monkeys to get information that doesn't have a direct medical value? I mean, if this was research that had a direct link to saving human lives, then I would support the research, but the article leaves the significance of the research unaddressed. Given their obvious anti-PETA bias, if there was some significance to the research they'd bring it up to counter PETA's argument.
Ends and means, dude, ends and means. My gut turns a little queasy at the very prospect of animal experimentation, and I'm sure there are at least a few instances where researchers have been needlessly cruel, but that is not even close to a justification for domestic terrorism.

Any proper scientific investigation makes all the procedures involved openly available to the public, and scientists have their own ethics boards. The fact that animal rights groups so often go directly to the public and even resort to terrorism should indicate something about the nature of their motivations.
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Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."
The line after the compound-sentence comma directly contradicts the line before it. Arrest his ass.
Interesting. That is exactly the same language that hard-line anti-abortion groups use when they talk about the killing of abortion doctors. Just provocative enough to obviously incite others to murder, but (supposedly) not provocative enough to be criminal.
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Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."
Does this mean the researchers and scientists you're harassing, have the right to intimidate or kill you animal rights activists, because they'd be acting in self-defense? How did you get the title "Doctor," anyways? You scanned the diploma of someone who actually went to school, used Microsoft Paint to change the name, and presented the doctored diploma as your own?
"An animal has as much of a right to life as we do. To take a life without provocation is immoral, it's violent, there's no excuse for it," said Jacob Black, 23, an organizer of demonstrations at the homes of UC Berkeley researchers.
Funny, wolves don't make the same argument about the deer they kill for food, nor stags for the wolves their antlers gore when they defend themselves. WAKE UP! Sacrificing the lives of other animals to improve our chances of survival, e.g., butchering a cow for food or shooting a bear when it approaches our campsite, is part of survival instincts, something we share with animals.
In 2006, activists began besieging the homes of several UCLA professors. Masked protesters converged on scientists' homes late at night, banging on doors, throwing firecrackers and chanting, "We know where you sleep," according to court documents.
Arrest these jackass-tivists for making death threats. They don't have the moral high ground, considering they're endangering the life of one animal (a human being, i.e., the scientist) to save another, something animals do, e.g., lions stalking antelopes. Nature does NOT recognize morality, it only recognizes what will help a species survive and what won't.
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This is especially despicable. What's next, throwing a punch at THE CHILD for complaining that the jackass-tivists are ruining her party?
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Does this mean the researchers and scientists you're harassing, have the right to intimidate or kill you animal rights activists, because they'd be acting in self-defense? How did you get the title "Doctor," anyways? You scanned the diploma of someone who actually went to school, used Microsoft Paint to change the name, and presented the doctored diploma as your own?
IIRC, he's a vet. He is a real doctor. You have crazy doctors. Mengele was a doctor too.
Funny, wolves don't make the same argument about the deer they kill for food, nor stags for the wolves their antlers gore when they defend themselves. WAKE UP! Sacrificing the lives of other animals to improve our chances of survival, e.g., butchering a cow for food or shooting a bear when it approaches our campsite, is part of survival instincts, something we share with animals.
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It's a bit hard to make an argumnt when you're wa wolf or a stag. They can't think that deeply. People can, though. A wolf can't really consciously choose to do something else. Obviously, if you need to survive and have no other alternative to poverty and death, it's okay to kill them. He's just truncating it into a simplistic sound bite.

I disagree with him when he says they have just as much right to life, though. Maybe the higher primates approach a similar level, but many animals lack sufficient self-awareness and thought capacity to even desire continued living. They don't know they have a future.


I doubt scientists carry out frivolous experiments as routine procedure. I would think they would choose otherwise if there were alternatives. There are SOME cases in psychological research in the past where there were quite a few frivolous experiments that tested mundane "no shit" hypotheses. For example, they used to electrocute dogs in small containers that had no escape to see how long it would take the dog to get depressed from lack of alleviation of torture. They came to the conclusion that torture will make you give up trying. No shit. In some cases, they had weak standards or didn't bother looking into alternatives due to cost.


There were some cases also that abuses were only discovered after groups broke the law and took pictures of what was going on by infiltration. Had they not, no one would have known. It was illegal, yes. It also spawned a litany of reform laws that improved standards. That people hide themselves doesn't always mean they know what they are doing is wrong. It just means they know what they are doing is illegal. There's a difference. Now, I think they are acting wrongly in this case, though. It's a bad idea for a variety of reasons to terrorize them.

They eventually stopped that.


I have a problem with the argument that the research must have immediate applicability or focus. Not all medical advances are made that way. Sometimes, pure research leads to practical results later. I wouldn't ban research that doesn't have immediate medical benefit.





Edit: although humans are animals, they are using utilitarian reasoning, to an extent. If you consider all those animals absolutely equal to humans, they believe they are saving more lives, thus doing more good, by terrorizing some. It's the same reasoning abolitionists used when they assassinated slave owners. Not morally equivalent, but it's their reasoning.
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Maybe someone should find out where they live and post it in a roster so some scientists can get back at them with the same tactics.

Come on, who doesn't love the idea of an angry mob of skinny scientists throwing beakers through windows while chanting a variety of offensive (to them) scientific terms and procedures?
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loomer wrote: Come on, who doesn't love the idea of an angry mob of skinny scientists throwing beakers through windows while chanting a variety of offensive (to them) scientific terms and procedures?
It's only funny untill one of those skinny nerds throws a radiological sample into somebody's bedroom :P

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I blame Disney, PETAns seems to have grown up to actually belive the cartoons they saw as children is real.
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