A very easy way for the Empire to wipe out thier enemies....

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-01-26 06:22pm

The Empire could simply send a huge fleet to Earth, Q'u'o'nos, Bajor, and Romulus, berform a BDZ, and escape just as the Feds arrive thanx to the speed differences between warp and hyperdrive......

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 06:23pm

Ben Ingram wrote:The Empire could simply send a huge fleet to Earth, Q'u'o'nos, Bajor, and Romulus, berform a BDZ, and escape just as the Feds arrive thanx to the speed differences between warp and hyperdrive......

Or send a couple of ships a piece, BDZ and then hang about to kill the fleets.....

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-26 06:25pm

Except for planetary defenses (both fixed and in fleet form) already being there.

Not that that matters given the ship to ship power differential.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-01-26 06:27pm

Yes, but we all know that the Federation doesn't possess planetary shields or ground-based weapons.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-26 06:29pm

Ermmm no we don't I suggest you look into the matter further.

Ben Ingram · Post by **Ben Ingram** » 2003-01-26 06:32pm

We've seen it countless times that ships can simply fly to a planet and start bombarding it, and they use neither ground support weaponry or planetary shields to stop them.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 06:34pm

I agree with TheDarkling....at least about potential defences...though with the sheer power differences it still isnt a big deal....

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-01-26 06:34pm

Star destroyers carrying 150 meter rocks in their hangar bays drop out of hyper space, move them out of the bays with tractors, and let them fly towards where the planet will be at relativistic speeds from a few light-weeks out. No problem.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-01-26 06:40pm

We have only seen the after effects of one planetary bombardment on a federation world and we know surface based weapon installations exist.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-01-26 08:20pm

Except for planetary defenses (both fixed and in fleet form) already being there.

And what planetary defenses might these be?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2003-01-26 09:14pm

There are hundreds of easy ways for the Empire to win.

But just like with the rebels, the Emperor will plan something so complex and devious that Blofeld himself would go green with envy, whilst leaving every possibility for someone to thwart his scheme.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-01-26 10:06pm

Ben Ingram wrote:The Empire could simply send a huge fleet to Earth, Q'u'o'nos, Bajor, and Romulus, berform a BDZ, and escape just as the Feds arrive thanx to the speed differences between warp and hyperdrive......

My god, this stunningly original revelation is bound to change the maxims of VS debating for all time! Thanks for bequeathing your wisdom upon this board.</sarcasm>

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: the one thing worse than an idiot on the other side is the idiot on your own side.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-01-26 10:13pm

Eleas wrote:I'll say it before and I'll say it again: the one thing worse than an idiot on the other side is the idiot on your own side.

You damn Scandinavians are so mean. It's no wonder that you were the terror of the North Sea for a century.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-01-26 10:14pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Eleas wrote:I'll say it before and I'll say it again: the one thing worse than an idiot on the other side is the idiot on your own side.
You damn Scandinavians are so mean. It's no wonder that you were the terror of the North Sea for a century.

We're still the terror of the North Sea! The eating of Sour Herring hasn't been discontinued, you know... those are merely stockpiled.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-01-26 10:18pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Eleas wrote:I'll say it before and I'll say it again: the one thing worse than an idiot on the other side is the idiot on your own side.
You damn Scandinavians are so mean. It's no wonder that you were the terror of the North Sea for a century.

I can see it now. Vikings in horned helmets torturing English peasants shouting "Dialog does not overide visuals! Do you have proof to back up your idiotic assertions, or did you pull them out of the same place you keep your head? I'm going to rape your wife and daughters, hatfucker!" while the monastary burns in the background and some hapless Saxon is beaten to death with a copy of the Ep. II ICS.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-01-26 10:26pm

RedImperator wrote: I can see it now. Vikings in horned helmets torturing English peasants shouting "Dialog does not overide visuals! Do you have proof to back up your idiotic assertions, or did you pull them out of the same place you keep your head? I'm going to rape your wife and daughters, hatfucker!" while the monastary burns in the background and some hapless Saxon is beaten to death with a copy of the Ep. II ICS.

Well no, we'd spare the Saxons, for their tribal name is akin to that of one of the Prophets, and surely that is a good sign. But since I'm afraid "Norman" kinda sounds like "no man" as in "where no man has gone before", all Normans were to be killed on sight.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-26 10:26pm

Ben, in all of the posts I've seen, all you've done is create another potential tactic that the Empire COULD use to defeat the UFP and its allies in the AQ. The strategy is not that difficult. One large fleet of between 50 and 150 ISD's (or equivalent) is needed. It goes in and blows stuff up. Now, many people disagree with that, which is the heart of the debate. The problem with what you're doing is that it opens everything up to "Oh yeah? Well, here's what would really happen..." And then the battle lines are drawn in something that is essentially meaningless. The point is that the exact strategy used by each side is irrelevent, due to the massive technological and industrial disparity between the two sides. THAT is the heart of the debate. If the Empire is shown to be able to destroy a GCS (or equivalent) with a single capital ship, as most people here contend, then the exact manner in which that capital ship goes about defeating its opponent is irrelevent.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-26 11:05pm

Eleas wrote:
RedImperator wrote: I can see it now. Vikings in horned helmets torturing English peasants shouting "Dialog does not overide visuals! Do you have proof to back up your idiotic assertions, or did you pull them out of the same place you keep your head? I'm going to rape your wife and daughters, hatfucker!" while the monastary burns in the background and some hapless Saxon is beaten to death with a copy of the Ep. II ICS.
Well no, we'd spare the Saxons, for their tribal name is akin to that of one of the Prophets, and surely that is a good sign. But since I'm afraid "Norman" kinda sounds like "no man" as in "where no man has gone before", all Normans were to be killed on sight.

And the Celts?

On behalf of the celtic delegation allow me to offer up large quantities of mead and the services of an extra sword wielding loon.....together we can rule the galaxy! *evil laugh*

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-27 02:40am

on all subspce freqs and channels they broadcast Janeway and Pulaski porn...all the people in the ST galaxy are driven mad as a result

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-27 03:13am

The Empire could simply send a huge fleet to Earth, Q'u'o'nos, Bajor, and Romulus, berform a BDZ, and escape just as the Feds arrive thanx to the speed differences between warp and hyperdrive......

1. Why would the Empire need to Escape? The key to winning a war against a ST faction is to destroy as many of their ships as possible since they have pitiful contruction rates compared to the Empire.

2. All those planets have resources the Empire would possibly want and one especially critical resource. SUBJECTS/CITIZENS. A few hundred billion citizens would contribute nicely to the Imperial Economy. A BDZ renders a planet useless and the Empire would want a place for settlers as well. Q'o'nos might be a good candidate though for a BDZ given the fact that Klingons wouldn't be the most "loyal" subjects.

3. A Huge Fleet isn't necessary for a BDZ, it should take no more than 3 Star Destroyers.

4. Im pretty sure Wong has this strategy in a very similar form on his site in the Tactics section under "Imperial War Campaign"

ReinnResauq · Post by **ReinnResauq** » 2003-01-27 04:11am

Ben Ingram wrote:The Empire could simply send a huge fleet to Earth, Q'u'o'nos, Bajor, and Romulus, berform a BDZ, and escape just as the Feds arrive thanx to the speed differences between warp and hyperdrive......

From newbie to newbie: No shit, sherlock.

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2003-01-27 09:16am

I think that was covered by this board a long time ago

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-27 11:19am

Commence primary ignition.

Need more be said on this?

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-01-27 12:54pm

Keevan_Colton wrote: And the Celts?

On behalf of the celtic delegation allow me to offer up large quantities of mead and the services of an extra sword wielding loon.....together we can rule the galaxy! *evil laugh*

Well, I was going to say that "celts" sounded more like "pelts" and skin the lot of you, but who can say nay to an abundance of mead? You're in!

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-27 01:42pm

Eleas wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote: And the Celts?

On behalf of the celtic delegation allow me to offer up large quantities of mead and the services of an extra sword wielding loon.....together we can rule the galaxy! *evil laugh*
Well, I was going to say that "celts" sounded more like "pelts" and skin the lot of you, but who can say nay to an abundance of mead? You're in!

Good answer. But we the Gaelic secton of Celts bring something far greater than mead, We bring Guinness

But enough thread hijacking

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