PETA harasses Scientists and Science majors.

[loomer]

Come on, who doesn't love the idea of an angry mob of skinny scientists throwing beakers through windows while chanting a variety of offensive (to them) scientific terms and procedures?

It's only funny untill one of those skinny nerds throws a radiological sample into somebody's bedroom

Nerds can kill people good, too.

Forget radiological samples, throw some anthrax or smallpox. Hell, even nerds who aren't scientists know how to find and cultivate those two.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

A new job for graduate students in the future will be guarding the houses of their professors with high-powered rifles.

[[R_H]]

A new job for graduate students in the future will be guarding the houses of their professors with high-powered rifles.

On that note, why dosn't the university bother hiring security guards to protect the professors and their families/residences?

[Isolder74]

A new job for graduate students in the future will be guarding the houses of their professors with high-powered rifles.

On that note, why dosn't the university bother hiring security guards to protect the professors and their families/residences?

They probably can't afford it. PETA and the ALF target people like this mainly because they usually don't have the ability to afford to be able to get such things. Its the lowest of the low tactics.

[Isolder74]

If I didn't make myself clear I was comparing the tactics they use to those of your typical Neanderthal school yard bully.

[Alyrium Denryle]

A new job for graduate students in the future will be guarding the houses of their professors with high-powered rifles.

So, there will be three forms of financial aide for grad students... Graduate Assistantships, Teaching Assistantships, and Security Assistantships

I approve.

[Darmalus]

This gives me the mental image of a bunch of people in lab coats working in a lab, only to be disturbed by shouting and chanting outside. The youngest fellow there sighs, mumbles something about earning his pay, grabs a rifle (in the same locker as the glassware, no less) and walks out of the room. Shots and screams follow.

Brings a smile to my face. Sounds kinda like Half Life.

[Alyrium Denryle]

This gives me the mental image of a bunch of people in lab coats working in a lab, only to be disturbed by shouting and chanting outside. The youngest fellow there sighs, mumbles something about earning his pay, grabs a rifle (in the same locker as the glassware, no less) and walks out of the room. Shots and screams follow.

Brings a smile to my face. Sounds kinda like Half Life.

"Oh god damn it... I suppose I have to earn my pay and be sciences Knight in Shining Cotton"

*BLAM BLAM!*

"And if you come back I wont be using Less Than Lethal Rounds asshole!"

*beeps intercomm*

"Hey Steve, I have a few incapacitated idiots out here, when I get back in, trigger the Bear Spray cloud*

[Rogue 9]

Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."

The line after the compound-sentence comma directly contradicts the line before it. Arrest his ass.

Oh yeah, that asshole. Let's see, what was that line from his appearance on Penn & Teller's Bullshit...

Oh yeah. "Violence and nonviolence are not moral principles; they're tactics." Word for word, on camera, knowing full well that it was going on television. After having the gall to say to that same camera that their movement was the same as the civil rights movement or Gandhi's actions. Fuck him.

[Solauren]

And WHY hasn't P.E.T.A been put on the Federal watch lists for stuff like this?

[Alyrium Denryle]

Accompanying the attacks is increasingly tough talk from activists such as Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a spokesman for the Animal Liberation Front press office. In an interview with The Associated Press, he said he is not encouraging anyone to commit murder, but "if you had to hurt somebody or intimidate them or kill them, it would be morally justifiable."

The line after the compound-sentence comma directly contradicts the line before it. Arrest his ass.

Oh yeah, that asshole. Let's see, what was that line from his appearance on Penn & Teller's Bullshit...

Oh yeah. "Violence and nonviolence are not moral principles; they're tactics." Word for word, on camera, knowing full well that it was going on television. After having the gall to say to that same camera that their movement was the same as the civil rights movement or Gandhi's actions. Fuck him.

He is right there. They are tactics. They are tactics, the useage of which is determined via the application of moral principles. The issue of animal rights is a subject in which good people can disagree. Thus, violence is flatly inappropriate.

[Darth Ruinus]

But otherwise, few activists have been prosecuted, because of free speech concerns and the movement's extreme secrecy.

Free speech doesn't give you the right to start threatening people and banging on their doors and throwing stuff through their windows. These people should be arrested as terrorists.

[Rogue 9]

Oh yeah, that asshole. Let's see, what was that line from his appearance on Penn & Teller's Bullshit...

Oh yeah. "Violence and nonviolence are not moral principles; they're tactics." Word for word, on camera, knowing full well that it was going on television. After having the gall to say to that same camera that their movement was the same as the civil rights movement or Gandhi's actions. Fuck him.

He is right there. They are tactics. They are tactics, the useage of which is determined via the application of moral principles. The issue of animal rights is a subject in which good people can disagree. Thus, violence is flatly inappropriate.

Well, yes, but whether it is appropriate to use violent methods or not is a moral issue, which is what he was clearly dismissing because the subject was ELF's and ALF's violent methods; he was saying that they were not doing anything wrong because the use of violence is entirely morality-neutral, which it is not.

[Sikon]

It's curious how much attacks are focused on scientists rather than farmers. I don't share PETA's views on animal rights, but many millions of animals just die for providing extra hamburgers, compared to the comparatively much smaller number used in experiments for the noble needs of scientific and medical progress. Why is lab rat #7283 favored over cow #238169623, so to speak?

[Admiral Valdemar]

It's curious how much attacks are focused on scientists rather than farmers. I don't share PETA's views on animal rights, but many millions of animals just die for providing extra hamburgers, compared to the comparatively much smaller number used in experiments for the noble needs of scientific and medical progress. Why is lab rat #7283 favored over cow #238169623, so to speak?

This is actually one of the arguments myself and others use whenever we come across such protesters, and there are a few good sites I've found whilst at work that deal with much of the claptrap the likes of PETA spew often.

If anything, protesting against fur, leather and the dairy and meat industry is more sensible, given neither industry is as vitally important in an objective good to the species compared to animal experimentation.

I always like to point out that the work I do gave us the first pacemaker, the first heart transplant, the first steroids and led to all sorts of other novel compounds, procedures and equipment.

I guarantee that EVERY single animal rights activist is a huge hypocrite by virtue of using the fruits of our labour in biological R&D. For one thing, the founder of PETA uses insulin, and Tony Benn MP who is also an outspoken critic on this topic, has a pacemaker.

[Alyrium Denryle]

It's curious how much attacks are focused on scientists rather than farmers. I don't share PETA's views on animal rights, but many millions of animals just die for providing extra hamburgers, compared to the comparatively much smaller number used in experiments for the noble needs of scientific and medical progress. Why is lab rat #7283 favored over cow #238169623, so to speak?

This is actually one of the arguments myself and others use whenever we come across such protesters, and there are a few good sites I've found whilst at work that deal with much of the claptrap the likes of PETA spew often.

If anything, protesting against fur, leather and the dairy and meat industry is more sensible, given neither industry is as vitally important in an objective good to the species compared to animal experimentation.

I always like to point out that the work I do gave us the first pacemaker, the first heart transplant, the first steroids and led to all sorts of other novel compounds, procedures and equipment.

I guarantee that EVERY single animal rights activist is a huge hypocrite by virtue of using the fruits of our labour in biological R&D. For one thing, the founder of PETA uses insulin, and Tony Benn MP who is also an outspoken critic on this topic, has a pacemaker.

You dont even have to go that far. Every medication they have ever touched is tested in animals, every medical technology they have ever seen. Hell, a lot of their processed food is as well. Hell, the cruelty free cheese that uses plant rennet is derived from a technique that used sheep or goat rennet.

[Boyish-Tigerlilly]

One thing that always troubled me on the issue is where would all the jobs go if we actually did substantially abandon those industries? Could they be absorbed elsewhere? It's rarely mentioned in the literature I read. If people stopped eating chicken, beef, etc...

I wonder what type of economic impact that would have.

[Eulogy]

You dont even have to go that far. Every medication they have ever touched is tested in animals, every medical technology they have ever seen. Hell, a lot of their processed food is as well. Hell, the cruelty free cheese that uses plant rennet is derived from a technique that used sheep or goat rennet.

Every time you breathe, your various immune systems massacre thousands of innocent bacteria.

Every time you walk, you risk crushing all sorts of fauna indigeous to that ecosystem.

Every time you eat a plant, you not only risk eating anything else that's on that plant, but you're deliberately denying food to starving animals.

The plastics you buy and the electricity you use are made with the help of oil, which are the aeon-old remains of dinosaurs.

The house you live in is composed of wood, which comes from trees that birds and insects make their homes in, and various minerals, which had to be mined, which means that even more animals lost their homes.

Hell, by existing you block out sunlight, and thus deny energy to plants - which animals feed on.

Clearly, the only humane thing to do in this case is to kill yourself, so that you can start providing food to innocent animals!