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Surlethe wrote:Really? I think it seems obvious that Catholics would react with shock and outrage at someone smuggling a communion wafer out of the eucharist. After all, absurd as the ritual may be, it is quite literally the most important part of the mass, which is the most important part of a Catholic's week. They believe it is a deity.
Damn right, I know many Catholics that have been discussing rescue missions. Trying to figure out how much force they can get by with...

I wonder if anyone has tried what I'd do. Knock on his door and go "Okay you had your fun now GIVE!"

Geez this would be like me going someones house and stealing one of there most prized possessions (The Eucharist is considered onloan until you consume it as I understand it).
I don't know if you could predict a reaction that includes death threats and calling for hate-crime prosecution, but you could definitely predict some sort of irate reaction. But then, I grew up Catholic; what seems obvious to me about Catholics may not be obvious to everyone.
I am shocked he hasn't been ambushed yet...

Also I got this from the Catholic League in my inbox (oh Chewie if the CL is one guy with a server, fax and lots of time he is doing a DAMN good job single handed)

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MINNESOTA PROF PLEDGES TO DESECRATE EUCHARIST

July 10, 2008

Paul Zachary Myers, a professor at the University of Minnesota Morris, has pledged to desecrate the Eucharist. He is responding to what happened recently at the University of Central Florida when a student walked out of Mass with the Host, holding it hostage for several days. Myers was angry at the Catholic League for criticizing the student. His post can be accessed from his faculty page on the university’s website.

Here is an excerpt of his July 8 post, “It’s a Frackin’ Cracker!”:

“Can anyone out there score me some consecrated communion wafers?” Myers continued by saying, “if any of you would be willing to do what it takes to get me some, or even one, and mail it to me, I’ll show you sacrilege, gladly, and with much fanfare. I won’t be tempted to hold it hostage (no, not even if I have a choice between returning the Eucharist and watching Bill Donohue kick the pope in the balls, which would apparently be a more humane act than desecrating a goddamned cracker), but will instead treat it with profound disrespect and heinous cracker abuse, all photographed and presented here on the web.”

Catholic League president Bill Donohue responded as follows:

“The Myers blog can be accessed from the university’s website. The university has a policy statement on this issue which says that the ‘Contents of all electronic pages must be consistent with University of Minnesota policies, local, state and federal laws.’ One of the school’s policies, ‘Code of Conduct,’ says that ‘When dealing with others,’ faculty et al. must be ‘respectful, fair and civil.’ Accordingly, we are contacting the President and the Board of Regents to see what they are going to do about this matter. Because the university is a state institution, we are also contacting the Minnesota legislature.

“It is hard to think of anything more vile than to intentionally desecrate the Body of Christ. We look to those who have oversight responsibility to act quickly and decisively.”
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:Geez this would be like me going someones house and stealing one of there most prized possessions (The Eucharist is considered onloan until you consume it as I understand it).
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I hear bread that's 'on loan' deserves death threats from people, am I rite?

That anyone can take this seriously absolutely terrifies me. Only a fucking retard would actually believe the transubstantiation bullshit, and to actually consider violence because someone made off with a fucking cracker is absurd and obscene.
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:I wonder if anyone has tried what I'd do. Knock on his door and go "Okay you had your fun now GIVE!"

Geez this would be like me going someones house and stealing one of there most prized possessions (The Eucharist is considered onloan until you consume it as I understand it).
Because the most reasonable response to theft (even though they gave him the wafer) is to fly into a murderous rage, not to resolve the situation through the authorities?

Also I got this from the Catholic League in my inbox (oh Chewie if the CL is one guy with a server, fax and lots of time he is doing a DAMN good job single handed)

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MINNESOTA PROF PLEDGES TO DESECRATE EUCHARIST

July 10, 2008

Paul Zachary Myers, a professor at the University of Minnesota Morris, has pledged to desecrate the Eucharist. He is responding to what happened recently at the University of Central Florida when a student walked out of Mass with the Host, holding it hostage for several days. Myers was angry at the Catholic League for criticizing the student. His post can be accessed from his faculty page on the university’s website.

Here is an excerpt of his July 8 post, “It’s a Frackin’ Cracker!”:

“Can anyone out there score me some consecrated communion wafers?” Myers continued by saying, “if any of you would be willing to do what it takes to get me some, or even one, and mail it to me, I’ll show you sacrilege, gladly, and with much fanfare. I won’t be tempted to hold it hostage (no, not even if I have a choice between returning the Eucharist and watching Bill Donohue kick the pope in the balls, which would apparently be a more humane act than desecrating a goddamned cracker), but will instead treat it with profound disrespect and heinous cracker abuse, all photographed and presented here on the web.”

Catholic League president Bill Donohue responded as follows:

“The Myers blog can be accessed from the university’s website. The university has a policy statement on this issue which says that the ‘Contents of all electronic pages must be consistent with University of Minnesota policies, local, state and federal laws.’ One of the school’s policies, ‘Code of Conduct,’ says that ‘When dealing with others,’ faculty et al. must be ‘respectful, fair and civil.’ Accordingly, we are contacting the President and the Board of Regents to see what they are going to do about this matter. Because the university is a state institution, we are also contacting the Minnesota legislature.

“It is hard to think of anything more vile than to intentionally desecrate the Body of Christ. We look to those who have oversight responsibility to act quickly and decisively.”
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So the Catholics who are sending death threats and trying to get people fired over cracker heresy ... are they the same people who cheered on Danish newspapers for printing Mohammed cartoons? Or for deliberately re-printing them, even though they knew it would offend Muslims?*

This behaviour is totally unacceptable, and the fact that so many Catholics make excuses for it is even more incredible. Hopefully there will be a campaign to desecrate as many of these fucking crackers as possible, just as many newspapers deliberately printed Mohammed cartoons after the cartoon scandal broke. They did it to thumb their noses at Islamic fundamentalism; how can we expect any less from people who keep calling themselves defenders of "freedom"?




*Surlethe, this is directly applicable to your argument about deliberately inciting religious anger
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:Damn right, I know many Catholics that have been discussing rescue missions. Trying to figure out how much force they can get by with...
Thanks to you and Surlethe, I have decided that if I ever get the chance, I will fucking urinate on one of those goddamned crackers, and I will film it and put the fucking film on YouTube.
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About 18 months ago, an egg was found in Kazakhstan that seemingly had "Allah" written on it. These are excerpts from the thread:

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Invictus ChiKen wrote:You know if I had a chicken that laid an egg with the name of a diety I worship on it.

I'd eat it. Shell and all... To be it would be a way of ingesting the power an esscence of one of my Gods.
Marvel at Surlethe's sensitivity to religious sacrilege!
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Frank Hipper wrote:Then again, I doubt anyone will post my idea for a cartoon so offensive that the fanatics would think Denmark is as holy as Saudi Arabia, so....
I'm game! (Is it Mohammed's face on a pig? With "Allah" written on the forehead?) -- It wouldn't have to do with Mohammed and pigshit, would it?
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Remember all the 'hurr hurr, dumbass Muslims think angels protect Mecca from nukes' stuff? Turns out that's totally okay - to disbelieve the ridiculous elements of ANOTHER religion - but it's totally different to disbelieve the ridiculous elements of YOUR religion.

Regardless of creationism etc, accepting the transubstantiation is much more of a stretch for me. You're RIGHT THERE. You EAT IT. It's FUCKING BREAD. It's not an intellecutal discussion about abiogenesis or whatever - it's BREAD that you ATE. Treating it like a life, or the flesh of the saviour, when every thinking adult in the fucking world knows it's bread AND THEN EXPECTING OTHERS TO SHARE YOUR OUTRAGE is hilarious.
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Darth Wong wrote:So the Catholics who are sending death threats and trying to get people fired over cracker heresy ... are they the same people who cheered on Danish newspapers for printing Mohammed cartoons? Or for deliberately re-printing them, even though they knew it would offend Muslims?*

This behaviour is totally unacceptable, and the fact that so many Catholics make excuses for it is even more incredible. Hopefully there will be a campaign to desecrate as many of these fucking crackers as possible, just as many newspapers deliberately printed Mohammed cartoons after the cartoon scandal broke. They did it to thumb their noses at Islamic fundamentalism; how can we expect any less from people who keep calling themselves defenders of "freedom"?
Agreed, this is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not surprised at the reaction of some insane catholics (especially in FL which has a large latino population, many of which still want to make Elian Gonzalez a fucking saint), but for anyone to actually try and defend their position as even close to reasonable is just unacceptable.

On that note, does anyone know how these pedophile lovers obtain their crackers? Do they churn them out at Christ-Cracker factories and wholesale them to churches only or can anyone buy them? I'm interested in buying a boxful so I can desecrate them in various ways and post pictures online.

Also, if you're only "borrowing" them as the terrorist apologist up top of the page claims, does that mean I can eat a bunch of them and leave a great big turd on the collection plate?
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Flagg, you can buy them in supermarkets I believe. But they're not 'holy' until 'blessed' during 'mass' at which time they 'magically' become the 'flesh' of the 'saviour'.

No really.
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If I attend a Catholic Mass and bring some liverwurst with me, can I quickly spread that on the cracker before I eat it? If the priest gets upset, I can say that the Body of Christ tastes even better with a delicious liverwurst topping!
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Catholics have no right to be not offended. Their very existence offends a lot of people.
The way to treat the wafer with respect is to follow the example of the Bible, and nail it to a wooden cross to show that inspired by example of Jesus.
:) However, catholics seem to think respect is to eat the wafer, pass it through their digestive tract and shit it (or its absolutely shredded and mixed with body juices remains) out.
Also whilst in someone's body it would be "nibbled" by bacteria - do they become holy? :lol:

If all these wafers are the body of Christ, then in total would make a very big body - a single wafer would be like a toenail part, so its loss would be insignificant.
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Does Jesus' body come in low-carbohydrate form, for people who are on the Atkins diet?

If a truck carrying communion crackers rolls over on the highway, would the news report that the highway was flooded with Jesus? If animals came and ate the crackers, could they be executed for heresy?
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Here are various things one should do if they can obtain Christ-Crackers. If I can, I will do this and take pictures.

Feed one to your dog.

Chew it and open your mouth to show the crackery goodness.

Make a tiny little peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Put it on the end of your erect penis (or nipple/ vagina).

Use one to wipe your ass.

Use one to blow your nose.

Paint little pentagrams on them.

Cut them into little stars of David or Crescent moons.

Pour some zit medicine on one and use it like an oxy-pad.
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The funny thing is that the Catholics are fucking up their own theology here. The crackers are just a symbol; they are not actually the body of Jesus, for fuck's sake. It's a purely symbolic ceremony.

If one of those crackers is taken by someone who doesn't believe, then it is no longer a symbol of Jesus' body. It is just a fucking cracker. The symbolism comes from their use in the ceremony, not from any innate properties of the cracker itself, you Cathofucktards!

The idea that someone should try to "rescue" this "kidnapped" cracker is sad proof that Catholics are just as insane as any other whack-job faith.
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B5B7 wrote:If all these wafers are the body of Christ, then in total would make a very big body - a single wafer would be like a toenail part, so its loss would be insignificant.
I have to wonder. If the wafers are the body of Christ, and somebody cuts them into the shape of a penis, does that mean you're swallowing Christ's cock? As long as it's blessed by a priest the form shouldn't matter right?
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Darth Wong wrote:The funny thing is that the Catholics are fucking up their own theology here. The crackers are just a symbol; they are not actually the body of Jesus, for fuck's sake. It's a purely symbolic ceremony.
No way, when Jesus gave them bread and said 'this is my body', he was TOTALLY LITERAL and was using magic powers to do it.

Ps the local priest also has these magic powers.
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If I get the chance, I think I'll enjoy grabbing one of those crackers myself and doing something absolutely terrible with it. Like feeding it to a couple of birds, or flushing it down a toilet in plain view of believers.

Apparently obvious examples of their beliefs can be shown to the public anywhere...but if I dared to show any obvious example of my disbelief? OH NO!!
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Darth Wong wrote:The funny thing is that the Catholics are fucking up their own theology here. The crackers are just a symbol; they are not actually the body of Jesus, for fuck's sake. It's a purely symbolic ceremony.
That's just it, Catholicism holds that it is definitely not a symbol. At the moment of priestly consecration, the wafer (and wine) literally become the body (flesh) and blood of Christ (transubstantiation). The actual, physical body and blood, albeit in a different form. Which is then consumed by the faithful (in what surely seems an act of cannibalism, no?). Also, as has been said previously here, none of that holds until the priest says the magic words, which is why you can safely buy communion wafers by the metric ton and use them to pave your driveway, all without fear of Committing Sin.
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Wow. Catholics are even more retarded than I thought.
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That should be
...until the priest says the magic words, which is why you can safely buy unconsecrated communion wafers by the metric ton and use them to pave your driveway, all without fear of Committing Sin.
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FSTargetDrone wrote:That should be
...until the priest says the magic words, which is why you can safely buy unconsecrated communion wafers by the metric ton and use them to pave your driveway, all without fear of Committing Sin.
Here's a question: If I had a bag of these pocketed when I took communion, would the magic words transfer to those as well?
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Darth Wong wrote:Wow. Catholics are even more retarded than I thought.
Seriously and no foolin':
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in Christianity, the change by which the substance (though not the appearance) of the bread and wine in the Eucharist becomes Christ’s Real Presence—that is, His body and blood. In Roman Catholicism and some other Christian churches the doctrine, which was first called transubstantiation in the 12th century, aims at safeguarding the literal truth of Christ’s Presence while emphasizing the fact that there is no change in the empirical appearances of the bread and wine.

The doctrine of transubstantiation, elaborated by scholastic theologians from the 13th to the 15th century, was incorporated into the documents of the Council of Trent (1545–63). The faith in the Real Presence as brought about by a mysterious change antedates the scholastic formulation of the doctrine, as is shown by the use of equivalent terms in the patristic writers. In the mid-20th century some Roman Catholic theologians were restating the doctrine of Christ’s eucharistic presence. Shifting the emphasis from a change of substance to a change of meaning, they coined the terms transsignification and transfinalization to be used in preference to transubstantiation. But, in his encyclical Mysterium fidei in 1965, Pope Paul VI called for a retention of the dogma of transubstantiation together with the terminology in which it has been expressed.
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1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."

1377 The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ.
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Flagg wrote:Here's a question: If I had a bag of these pocketed when I took communion, would the magic words transfer to those as well?
If they were consecrated by the priest, you have a Bag of Jesus. If not, you have a bag of Styrofoam-flavored wafers. :)

Conversely, as I was taught in my 8 years of Catholic School, a single drop pf Holy Water turns a pail of non-blessed water into more Holy Water.

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Sop if you put a single drop of holy water into the Ocean, does all the water in the Oceans become blessed?
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