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[Edi]

If the Congressional Democrats actually had a spine, they'd have been impeaching Bush DOJ officials left and right already two years ago. But come the change of presidency, I expect there to be a mass purging of all the conservative fucktards Bush appointed as his cronies and if their replacements will actually do their jobs, a lot of the former officials will find themselves behind bars. Of course, I'm probably just engaging in optimistic wishful thinking on this score.

[SirNitram]

Frankly, while I expect some of the Congressional Republicans to break ranks maybe in December, possibly, I simply don't buy the idea that the Administration would defect around the Nero of America if he was impeached. The casual 'Whatever, try and enforce it' of subpeonas is a good sign of this.

In short, why assume it would be any case other than 'What if we impeached an administration, and none of them showed up'?

[The Yosemite Bear]

I cry now for the number of trees that would otherwise have contributed to carbon reduction in order to make sure that Chimpy's place in history will be cemented and well known. I guess we can burn them for fuel when all the cars have stopped running and our homes have no lighting.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Frankly, while I expect some of the Congressional Republicans to break ranks maybe in December, possibly, I simply don't buy the idea that the Administration would defect around the Nero of America if he was impeached.

We know from Michael Brown and Scott McClellan that not all Bushies are as loyal as Gonzales, and given the price Gonzo paid for his loyalty (a former US attorney general who can't even get a job, wow) it might look even less appealing. Moreover, some of their insouciance is probably due to the promise that any consequences will be pardoned or commuted away by the President. If he's impeached that just plain doesn't apply. Finally, our discussion is issuing from a scandal that started because Bush-appointed DOJ officials refused to follow orders that were quite innocuous compared to what you're talking about.

he casual 'Whatever, try and enforce it' of subpeonas is a good sign of this.

The fact that Karl Rove fled the country entirely should be some demonstrations of how confident the administration really is. Nobody has yet been cited with contempt of congress, so how do we really know what the result will be? Congress and the administration are doing brinksmanship. The next test is coming up, because Waxman is threatening to slam Mukasey over his refusal to turn over some FBI documents.

In short, why assume it would be any case other than 'What if we impeached an administration, and none of them showed up'?

If you honestly don't recognize any difference between a successful impeachment of Bush and subpoenas for individuals to appear before Congress, then I'm not sure I feel like going into it in depth.

[SirNitram]

Pablo, I can see the damn difference. I, however, simply don't see a few people sort-of-kind-of saying that they didn't think everything was truthful to defecting. McClellan wasn't exactly saying bad things about Bush, he kept up the 'Poor confused man not given the whole story' act. They defy whatever they want to. I simply don't buy that it wouldn't just result in Cheney pardoning everyone, or mass transfers to Non-Extradition Countries.

[Metatwaddle]

I saw this pop up on FARK and I just naturally assumed it was a Onion article, but this really happened? Wow

Hee, yeah. I checked to see if it was an Onion link too.

[Aratech]

For lack of a facepalm smiley...

[TithonusSyndrome]

Chimpus' bubble is finally broken open and he gets it; he's fucked and nobody ever liked him. Like any other fratboy, he's turning a lost opportunity at an ambitious post into a few chuckles and backslaps for down the road. The shock of that kind of callousness is delicious in a stinging kind of way.

[Darth Wong]

I don't know why anyone in this thread is surprised by this latest ourburst from Monkey Boy. The fact is that there are tens of millions of rednecks in the country who would act exactly like him, if not much worse. He has a specific demographic constituency, and he is proudly, actively representing it.

You can't tell me that you don't know plenty of guys who would act exactly like him, if put in his position.

[Patrick Degan]

I don't know why anyone in this thread is surprised by this latest ourburst from Monkey Boy. The fact is that there are tens of millions of rednecks in the country who would act exactly like him, if not much worse. He has a specific demographic constituency, and he is proudly, actively representing it.

Oh, Chimpy's behaviour is perfectly understandable and unsurprising if you've always accepted the basic observation that he is, has been, and always will be, an idiot fratboy who never grew up, a vicious child in a man's body, and somebody who wouldn't know what responsibility was if he tripped over it.

[Solauren]

If the Congressional Democrats actually had a spine, they'd have been impeaching Bush DOJ officials left and right already two years ago. But come the change of presidency, I expect there to be a mass purging of all the conservative fucktards Bush appointed as his cronies and if their replacements will actually do their jobs, a lot of the former officials will find themselves behind bars. Of course, I'm probably just engaging in optimistic wishful thinking on this score.

More then likely, they were waiting.

Think about it; Right now, any clean up they attempt, Bush can just go 'Executive Order, nah-nah'. It would cost alot of time and money to attempt any of it, only to have Bush crap in his hands and thent throw it at them before pounding his chest. Followed by a load of pardons the day before he leaves office.

If the Democrats when in November, all it would take to clean up all of Bush + Co's mistakes is some pre-written executive orders, and President Oboma spending 30 minutes or so signing them.

That's a much, much more cost and time effective way of doing it.

Plus, that's a few months of 'nothing to lose' Bush giving them more and more ammo, and them more time to figure out how really has to go to trial, and who was just 'wrong place, wrong time'

[Darth Wong]

Any purge of political appointees will be greeted with incessant screeching howls of "partisanship", of the sort that were mysteriously silent when the Bush Administration did it.

[Shroom Man 777]

The Bush Administration were damn lucky thanks to 9/11. Maybe we should hope something equally horrible should happen again?

[TheMuffinKing]

The Bush Administration were damn lucky thanks to 9/11. Maybe we should hope something equally horrible should happen again?

Unless it happens while the current malefactors of this administration are all playing poker together, and only to them, then I don't believe any amount of tragedy would remedy our current situation.

[Pablo Sanchez]

I, however, simply don't see a few people sort-of-kind-of saying that they didn't think everything was truthful to defecting. McClellan wasn't exactly saying bad things about Bush, he kept up the 'Poor confused man not given the whole story' act.

I actually think that, given the paranoid insularity of the administration and the importance they place on loyalty, they would count McClellan's behavior as a backstabbing--as would he, probably. It's just that he either didn't know very much damaging information (Ari Fleischer complained of being totally out of the loop) or was unwilling to go into more detail because it was personally embarrassing.

They defy whatever they want to. I simply don't buy that it wouldn't just result in Cheney pardoning everyone, or mass transfers to Non-Extradition Countries.

No, I agree with you that if Cheney was left in place after an impeachment he'd simply issue a blanket pardon. They'd have to be impeached at the same time to see a conviction. But historically speaking it would be a nice cap-stone to the Bush administration, and it would help blow things open so that maybe we could eventually learn the extent of their malfeasance.

[Darth Wong]

I, however, simply don't see a few people sort-of-kind-of saying that they didn't think everything was truthful to defecting. McClellan wasn't exactly saying bad things about Bush, he kept up the 'Poor confused man not given the whole story' act.

I actually think that, given the paranoid insularity of the administration and the importance they place on loyalty, they would count McClellan's behavior as a backstabbing--as would he, probably. It's just that he either didn't know very much damaging information (Ari Fleischer complained of being totally out of the loop) or was unwilling to go into more detail because it was personally embarrassing.

To be honest, McClellan's biggest mistake was the title of his book. If he had called it "Confessions of a White House Spin Doctor" instead of "What Really Happened", all of that "he stabbed them in the back!" criticism would have been blunted. After all, he would be presenting it as a guilty man's confession rather than a righteous accusation.

[Pablo Sanchez]

To be honest, McClellan's biggest mistake was the title of his book. If he had called it "Confessions of a White House Spin Doctor" instead of "What Really Happened", all of that "he stabbed them in the back!" criticism would have been blunted. After all, he would be presenting it as a guilty man's confession rather than a righteous accusation.

I think at this time the most amazing thing about the Bush administration is that we don't actually know everything. To quote Rumsfeld, there are a lot of unknown unknowns. The things we do know are disturbing enough--torture, extraordinary rendition, mass illegal spying on American's, secret CIA prisons, etc. It's difficult to imagine what is still uncovered. There are things about the Iran-Contra scandal, like to what extent Reagan was culpable, and definitive proof of a "October Surprise" arrangement between him and the ayatollahs, are still unknown more than 20 years later.

Nobody in a position to know anything has told us anything real--we just get some ass covering from people incidental to the Bush movement.

[SirNitram]

Honestly, we'll never get to the bottom of it. Sorry. Enough of them were in deep enough not to snitch, and frankly, the publically accessible numbers for the increase in use of document-shredding services by outside firms tells the tale.