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BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Five Lebanese militants, including a convicted murderer, received heroes' welcomes Wednesday as they returned to Beirut from Israel as part of a prisoner swap.

Once in Beirut, convicted murderer Samir Kuntar -- who was the longest-held Lebanese prisoner in Israel -- told a crowd of thousands he'd continue to fight for the liberation of the Palestinian territories.

"I return today from Palestine, but believe me, I return to Lebanon only in order to return to Palestine," Kuntar said.

Kuntar -- convicted of killing a man and a girl in Israel in 1979 -- and the other four were released by Israel and crossed into southern Lebanon to cheers. They then were flown to Beirut, where Lebanese President Michel Suleiman called them "our dear liberated heroes."

The other four are Lebanese militants captured during the Hezbollah-Israel war two years ago. Israel on Wednesday also released the remains of 199 fighters from Lebanon.

Earlier Wednesday, Hezbollah released to Israel the bodies of two Israeli soldiers who had been abducted in 2006, the Israel Defense Forces said.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, making his first public appearance since September 2006, also greeted the five militants before cheering throngs of thousands of Hezbollah supporters in Beirut.

"I'm here to congratulate all of you," Nasrallah said. "As we said in the year 2000, the time of defeat is done and now it is a time of victories." Because of security concerns, Nasrallah typically does not appear in public.

Suleiman said Lebanon "feels very proud as we welcome back the heroic resistance fighters who were released from the Israeli occupation."

"We also feel proud of the martyrs whose bodies were returned here today," Suleiman said.

Upon their arrival in southern Lebanon, the five released militants changed into military garb and were greeted by the handshakes and embraces of dignitaries and officials before crowds of Hezbollah supporters. Video Watch Kuntar smile as he enters Lebanon »

They then were taken by two Lebanese Army helicopters and a U.N. Interim Forces in Lebanon helicopter from Naqoura in southern Lebanon to Beirut International Airport, where they were met on the red carpet by Suleiman and other government officials, including Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, and were reunited with their families at an airport reception area.

After that reunion, they were driven to al Raya stadium in the southern suburbs of Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, for Hezbollah celebrations.


Kuntar is widely reviled in Israel, where Prime Minister Ehud Olmert denounced the celebrations in Lebanon.

"Woe to the nation that celebrates in these hours the release of a bestial person who smashed the head of a 4-year-old child," Olmert said in a statement. Video Watch happy Hezbollah supporters »

A member of the Palestine Liberation Front, Kuntar led a group of four men who entered Israel from Lebanon by boat in 1979. They killed a police officer who came across them. Then they took a 28-year-old man and his 4-year-old daughter hostage.

Kuntar shot the father dead at close range in front of his daughter and tossed his body in the sea. He then smashed the girl's head, killing her. In addition, a 2-year-old girl from the same family suffocated as her mother tried to stop her from crying while they hid during the violence.


Kuntar was sentenced to 542 years in prison.

Israel refused to release him during a previous prisoner exchange. Because of the stiff sentence for Kuntar, Lebanese reports indicate that the news of his release stunned many people.

As part of Wednesday's exchange, Israel received the bodies of 1st Sgt. Ehud "Udi" Goldwasser and Sgt. 1st Class Eldad Regev.

The bodies "were positively identified by representatives of the IDF Military Rabbinate, the Medical Corps and other forensic experts at the Rosh Hanikra crossing," the IDF said.

Their funerals will take place Thursday. Goldwasser's will be in Nahariya and Regev's in Kryat Motzkin. Video Watch Goldwasser's father describe his feelings about the swap »

"The whole of the Israeli nation embraces today the families of Regev and Goldwasser in their mourning," Olmert said.

Also as part of the exchange, the IDF said, "Hezbollah has just relayed a coffin containing body parts of IDF soldiers who were killed in the Second Lebanon War," a reference to the 2006 conflict.

These are separate from the remains of Regev and Goldwasser, whose bodies were said to be in "poor condition" when they were returned to Israel.

Another element of the swap was a report by Hezbollah on the status of Ron Arad, a long-missing Israeli navigator.

Israel was displeased with the report but didn't provide details on why officials considered it deficient. Despite Olmert's calling the report "absolutely unsatisfactory," the Israeli Cabinet approved the swap in a 22-3 vote Tuesday.

Olmert said Wednesday "is a day where doubts are removed regarding the fate of Udi and Eldad, may they rest in peace, but also to the moral strength of the Israeli people," Olmert said.

"From this strength we have decided to bring the boys home even if the price is heavy of releasing the base murderer," Olmert said. "A stranger will not understand what every Israeli understands very well. The fate of every one of our soldiers is the glue that binds us together as a society and allows us to survive in an area that is surrounded by enemies and terror organizations."

Coffins bearing the remains of the 199 fighters were being trucked from Israel into Lebanon on Wednesday, and funerals for them are scheduled for Thursda
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Then of course there is the Dr. Evil moment at the exchange
"We are handing over the two Israeli soldiers that were captured by the resistance and whose fate has been unknown until this moment," said senior Hezbollah security official Wafik Safa. "Now you know their fate."
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Was he twirling his mustache or laughing maniacally when he said that?

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To bad the IDF didn't bomb the hell out of the Hizb welcome home party. The Olmert might well have his own dr Evil moment.
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Why the fuck are they doing these exchanges over dead bodies?
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Hey, so you can hold dead people hostage now?
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cosmicalstorm wrote:Why the fuck are they doing these exchanges over dead bodies?
"We have a moral duty to find out the real truth about their fate", paraphasing Olmert. Or more precisely, Israel has a fetishistic urge to find out what happens to it's soldiers when they fall. Israel 'knew' they were dead, but had to find out. Same way Ron Arad is now 'known' to be dead, but they still want his body.

Incidently, this probably means that Gilad Shalit is dead, or soon will be. Hamas will be thinking "why keep him alive if we can keep him dead and simply treat him as a live speciman for other prisoners"
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It's bloody retarded in my opinion. Practically rewarding the criminals with more weapons in exchange for returning their stolen goods.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:It's bloody retarded in my opinion. Practically rewarding the criminals with more weapons in exchange for returning their stolen goods.
Practically speaking, this means that Hezbollah can just kill any hostage it takes and still trade them for weapons or prisoners. Or, hell - just collect as many dead bodies as possible next time you get into a huge fight with the IDF.

Pretty sweet setup for any terrorist organization, not having to deal with live prisoners.
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I am surprised at the gutlessness of Israel's response. Any decent country would have it's officer presiding over the exchange say "and you will get yours in the same condition," shoot Kuntar and the others, and turn over the bodies.

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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:It's bloody retarded in my opinion. Practically rewarding the criminals with more weapons in exchange for returning their stolen goods.
Practically speaking, this means that Hezbollah can just kill any hostage it takes and still trade them for weapons or prisoners. Or, hell - just collect as many dead bodies as possible next time you get into a huge fight with the IDF.

Pretty sweet setup for any terrorist organization, not having to deal with live prisoners.
The only way it gets better is if you get to call yourself a terrorist organisation when you're infact the goverment. Assasinating goverment leaders is a no no nowdays. :?
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fgalkin wrote:I am surprised at the gutlessness of Israel's response. Any decent country would have it's officer presiding over the exchange say "and you will get yours in the same condition," shoot Kuntar and the others, and turn over the bodies.

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Are people here seriously arguing that Israel should have responded MORE harshly? Where are the folks posting diatribes about Israeli prejudice and how they are committing genocide against poor, innocent Palestinians?

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Seriously, I'm glad Israel got its soldiers bodies back, but this "trade" seems pointless.
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Dumbest thing the Israelis have done, in a long time.

Unless the idea was to get the Hizbullah top-tier guys out in an open location which could be saturated with high explosives, which it obviously wasn't.
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So from the Lebanese government's response to this...

1.) Declaring national holiday
2.) PM meeting with Child Killer Kuntar and Nasrallah

We can safely say that Lebanon is Hizbollah and Hizbollah is Lebanon.
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I am sickened by the whole affair and throughly disgusted with the leadership of this country. Olmert traded a child-killer, four terrorists, and 100+ dead bodies in exchange for two dead soldiers and a fake report.

In what world does this make sense? Other than the world of a gutless coward who fears having to face the families of the slain soldiers?

Well, guess what, Olmert? You too, Sharon. And previous administrators. EVERY TIME YOU MAKE THESE DEALS, YOU MURDER MORE SOLDIERS. You release people who will create MORE terror, more slaughter, more war. Regev and Goldwasser? Gilad Shalit? Ron Arad? You just created a thousand more. Are you proud? Is giving the families a body to cry over worth it?

FUCK YOU. If the Knesset collapsed into a smoking ruin tomorrow, I would dance in delight. There is literally nobody there with guts, will or principles. The last one was Amram Mitznah, and he was voted out by the windbags of Labor.

I am surprised at the gutlessness of Israel's response. Any decent country would have it's officer presiding over the exchange say "and you will get yours in the same condition," shoot Kuntar and the others, and turn over the bodies.
Well, techincally, there were German go-betweens present as well, I think. They brokered the deal, anyway. So spitting on the deal is spitting on Germany as well, and we only do that on Holocaust Memorial Day.... :P

But yeah, I support this idea. Though to be fair, Hezballah flat-out said that the deal was for 'unknown' prisoners, they weren't guaranteeing living or dead.
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:Are people here seriously arguing that Israel should have responded MORE harshly? Where are the folks posting diatribes about Israeli prejudice and how they are committing genocide against poor, innocent Palestinians?
Israelis have done a lot of bad things. But those things are not relevant to the incredible one-sidedness of this exchange, which we seem to all agree on.
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The Army, at least according to the NY Times, appears to be defending the exchange, calling it that “such a move demonstrates a compelling moral strength which stems from Judaism, Israeli social values and from the spirit of the Israel Defense Forces.” I don't think it's just Olmert, although without his permission this might not have gone down.
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If I was an Israeli, the only way I would have approved this deal is if Ron Arad (or his corpse) was in the deal.

No Ron Arad, no swap. He hasn't been seen since he ejected over Lebanon nearly 25 years ago, and he definitely did survive the ejection and landing.
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fgalkin wrote:Any decent country would have it's officer presiding over the exchange say "and you will get yours in the same condition," shoot Kuntar and the others, and turn over the bodies.
Unfortunately there are no decent countries with enough spine to do that. Although given the Hizbs habit of holding a big celebration for the returned scum bombing the shit out of their celebrations is an acceptable alternative. Perhaps the IDF would be better off if they stopped taking prisoners.
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I cannot fucking believe this Kuntar asshole got a hero's welcome.

The man smashed a 4-year-old's head against the pavement until she stopped moving.

There are no words strong enough for him.
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Darth Wong wrote:Unfortunately, that ethic can lead to absurd situations like this.
The US has long been a staunch advocate of "no man left behind, whatever the cost".

We spend tens of millions each year and go to crash sites from 1943 or 1965 all over the world to sift several acres for bone fragments, and at least one Medal of Honor has been issued for heroic acts to save others, ranging from throwing yourself onto a grenade, to crash landing your F4U so you can get out and try to hack a fellow pilot from his crashed F4U...

It's when morons, like just about everyone in the Israeli military/political scene are in charge, that it becomes just a farce and joke; albeit a highly dangerous farce.
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Metatwaddle wrote:I cannot fucking believe this Kuntar asshole got a hero's welcome.

The man smashed a 4-year-old's head against the pavement until she stopped moving.

There are no words strong enough for him.
John McCain got a hero's welcome, and by his own admission, he's a murderer of women and children. Aryan Sharon was elected PM in Israel and he killed quite a few children, too. Maybe this Lebanese thug plans to run for office.
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Elfdart wrote:
Metatwaddle wrote:I cannot fucking believe this Kuntar asshole got a hero's welcome.

The man smashed a 4-year-old's head against the pavement until she stopped moving.

There are no words strong enough for him.
John McCain got a hero's welcome, and by his own admission, he's a murderer of women and children. Aryan Sharon was elected PM in Israel and he killed quite a few children, too. Maybe this Lebanese thug plans to run for office.
Judging by the welcome he got from his countrymen, he'd probably win. (Incidentally, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you are referring to a Jewish guy as "Aryan".)
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Metatwaddle wrote:Judging by the welcome he got from his countrymen, he'd probably win. (Incidentally, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you are referring to a Jewish guy as "Aryan".)
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Metatwaddle wrote:
Elfdart wrote:
Metatwaddle wrote:I cannot fucking believe this Kuntar asshole got a hero's welcome.

The man smashed a 4-year-old's head against the pavement until she stopped moving.

There are no words strong enough for him.
John McCain got a hero's welcome, and by his own admission, he's a murderer of women and children. Aryan Sharon was elected PM in Israel and he killed quite a few children, too. Maybe this Lebanese thug plans to run for office.
Judging by the welcome he got from his countrymen, he'd probably win. (Incidentally, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you are referring to a Jewish guy as "Aryan".)
Because his actions at Qibya, Sabran and Shatilla are straight out of the SS playbook. And because his fanwhores in the US often gush over his once-blond hair.
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Elfdart wrote:
Because his actions at Qibya, Sabran and Shatilla are straight out of the SS playbook.
Do you mean the actions of Christian Lebanese Phalangists, who were auxiliaries somewhere in his overall force, with their own chain of command?

It's appropriate to assign Sharon some responsibility for Sabra and Shatila, because he was Defense Minister and the massacres happened in areas under IDF control.

But equating Sharon with the SS is over-the-top silly.
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