NZ National Hoodie Day

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2008-07-20 09:54pm

It's my birthday you see...

This is a few weeks old now, but I don't think anyone's posted it here. Basically someone from a small NZ township on the west coast (about a 45 minute drive from the capital) decides to protest National Hoodie Day (I don't know why we have this) with a vague message that doesn't really make sense to anyone while dressed in a homemade KKK costume and black-face.

EDIT: Thread title changed, was "Local NZ Policition | KKK + Black Face"

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2008-07-20 10:20pm

What's Hoodie day?

Pulp Hero · Post by **Pulp Hero** » 2008-07-20 10:23pm

No way this real. No fucking way. I mean fuck, you're telling me that this guy was elected- no. Stop it. I mean, goddamn blackface, are you shitting me? Stop it.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2008-07-20 11:24pm

mr friendly guy wrote:What's Hoodie day?

Something about wearing hoodies to work and not treating all youths as criminals, or something like that. It as little to nothing to do with the KKK, black people, or whatever this guy's trying to say.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-20 11:34pm

This guy's a moron, but frankly, "hoodie day" sounds like grade-A idiocy to me. If young people don't want to be thought of as thugs and chavs, they should choose to not dress like thugs and chavs. It's not as if their wardrobe is a genetic condition.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2008-07-21 01:20am

Well, I think the video clearly shows what kind of people had any enthusiasm for it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 03:56am

I didn't see anybody in the video apart from the talking heads and the KKK idiot.

JointStrikeFighter · Post by **JointStrikeFighter** » 2008-07-21 07:30am

Darth Wong wrote:This guy's a moron, but frankly, "hoodie day" sounds like grade-A idiocy to me. If young people don't want to be thought of as thugs and chavs, they should choose to not dress like thugs and chavs. It's not as if their wardrobe is a genetic condition.

Clearly anyone wearing a Hoodie is a BAD PERSON

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2008-07-21 07:45am

I'll rephrase, the KKK idiot showed the most enthusiasm (least apathy) towards hoodie day I've seen besides from other politicians.

Supposedly it was launched by the Maori Party youth minister. It was supported by some MPs from the Greens, National, the Maori Party, some Rugby players and a few other people I've never heard of.

All in all the day was pointless for reasons you've already pointed out. While you will find the occasional non-thug wearing a hoodie, the difference is that they will take it off in situations where it isn't appropriate.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2008-07-21 08:15am

Darth Wong wrote:This guy's a moron, but frankly, "hoodie day" sounds like grade-A idiocy to me. If young people don't want to be thought of as thugs and chavs, they should choose to not dress like thugs and chavs. It's not as if their wardrobe is a genetic condition.

I wonder, does that mean everyone in a suit is an egotistical, selfish, greedy, superficial, self serving arsehole?

JointStrikeFighter · Post by **JointStrikeFighter** » 2008-07-21 08:30am

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This guy's a moron, but frankly, "hoodie day" sounds like grade-A idiocy to me. If young people don't want to be thought of as thugs and chavs, they should choose to not dress like thugs and chavs. It's not as if their wardrobe is a genetic condition.
I wonder, does that mean everyone in a suit is an egotistical, selfish, greedy, superficial, self serving arsehole?

lololol thats the case in pop-culture SO IT MUST BE TRUE *I'm a smarmy asshole*.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2008-07-21 08:55am

JointStrikeFighter wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This guy's a moron, but frankly, "hoodie day" sounds like grade-A idiocy to me. If young people don't want to be thought of as thugs and chavs, they should choose to not dress like thugs and chavs. It's not as if their wardrobe is a genetic condition.
I wonder, does that mean everyone in a suit is an egotistical, selfish, greedy, superficial, self serving arsehole?
lololol thats the case in pop-culture SO IT MUST BE TRUE *I'm a smarmy asshole*.

Well if folk dont want to be thought of as weasley amoral bastard politicians/corporate fucknuts, then they shouldnt dress like them. It's not like their wardrobe is a genetic condition.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 09:46am

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:This guy's a moron, but frankly, "hoodie day" sounds like grade-A idiocy to me. If young people don't want to be thought of as thugs and chavs, they should choose to not dress like thugs and chavs. It's not as if their wardrobe is a genetic condition.
I wonder, does that mean everyone in a suit is an egotistical, selfish, greedy, superficial, self serving arsehole?

Ooooh, what a clever rebuttal! Assume that a suit carries just as many negative connotations as a hoodie, even though it doesn't! But hey, if you want to go on pretending that people don't choose clothes with any intention of declaring which social group they belong to, be my guest. And if laughably false correlations like the above make you feel better about that delusion, you're welcome to them.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2008-07-21 11:01am

Darth Wong wrote:And if laughably false correlations like the above make you feel better about that delusion, you're welcome to them.

And if dropping negative stereotypes on people because it makes you feel big is working for you, dont let me stop you. Why let trivial things like facts get in your way...I'm sure you've got some kind of evidence beyond the anecdotal to share, right?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 11:20am

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:And if laughably false correlations like the above make you feel better about that delusion, you're welcome to them.
And if dropping negative stereotypes on people because it makes you feel big is working for you, dont let me stop you. Why let trivial things like facts get in your way...I'm sure you've got some kind of evidence beyond the anecdotal to share, right?

Demanding objective evidence for "connotations?"

You're an imbecile. A connotation is subjective by definition, fool.

Why do you think this stupid "hoodie day" had to be instituted in the first place? It's because this connotation is real; people have the perception that I spoke of. The only perception associated with business suits, on the other hand, is simply that the guy probably has a decent-paying job. Nobody thinks that "suit" = "politician or top executive" unless he lives in a trailer park and he has no idea what the normal world is like.

As I said, you clearly have a problem with me citing the existence of the social connotations which are the reason for this "hoodie day" in the first place as a criticism of "hoodie day", and when I call you on it, your moronic response is to say that I need to prove this connotation exists. If the connotation exists, then my argument stands. If it doesn't, then that's even more reason to say that "hoodie day" is bullshit. Either way, hoodie day is bullshit, and you are full of shit.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2008-07-21 11:35am

Why do you think this stupid "hoodie day" had to be instituted in the first place? It's because this connotation is real; people have the perception that I spoke of. The only perception associated with business suits, on the other hand, is simply that the guy probably has a decent-paying job. Nobody thinks that "suit" = "politician or top executive" unless he lives in a trailer park and he has no idea what the normal world is like.

It's real and people should avoid wearing hoodies because of it rather than reject it and wear that they feel comfortable in?

As I said, you clearly have a problem with me citing the existence of the social connotations which are the reason for this "hoodie day" in the first place as a criticism of "hoodie day", and when I call you on it, your moronic response is to say that I need to prove this connotation exists. If the connotation exists, then my argument stands. If it doesn't, then that's even more reason to say that "hoodie day" is bullshit. Either way, hoodie day is bullshit, and you are full of shit.

The hoodie day exists because the negative connotation is false enough that people who wear hoodies felt the need to reject it and ADVERTISE that fact.

The group that gets called "middle england" in the UK not sure of the NZ equivalent, i.e the reactionary idiots who dislike whatever the newspapers tell them to dislike are the one's who Hoodie day is intended to educate.

It's not bullshit if there are people out there that need to be educated that a hoodie is not a statement of intent but a comfortable and practical item of clothing.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 11:41am

Zac Naloen wrote:
Why do you think this stupid "hoodie day" had to be instituted in the first place? It's because this connotation is real; people have the perception that I spoke of. The only perception associated with business suits, on the other hand, is simply that the guy probably has a decent-paying job. Nobody thinks that "suit" = "politician or top executive" unless he lives in a trailer park and he has no idea what the normal world is like.
It's real and people should avoid wearing hoodies because of it rather than reject it and wear that they feel comfortable in?

The connotation is real and if you want to be taken seriously, then you should not be wearing one, no matter how comfortable it is. If you don't care about being taken seriously, then fine, wear the hoodie. Just don't whine about how people won't take you seriously.

The hoodie day exists because the negative connotation is false enough that people who wear hoodies felt the need to reject it and ADVERTISE that fact.

Do you admit that this connotation exists regardless?

Back in the 80s, people had the same argument about guys walking around wearing "rocker shirts" and studded leather armbands. "Oh no, it's just a negative stereotype!" But guess what: all of those guys eventually learned that in order to be taken seriously, you have to wear more adult clothes. It's no different this time, and neither is the tenor and nature of the teen whining.

The group that gets called "middle england" in the UK not sure of the NZ equivalent, i.e the reactionary idiots who dislike whatever the newspapers tell them to dislike are the one's who Hoodie day is intended to educate.

It's not bullshit if there are people out there that need to be educated that a hoodie is not a statement of intent but a comfortable and practical item of clothing.

Since the connotation exists, it is both. When you wear one and you know that it carries certain connotations, you are consciously choosing to accept those connotations. Keevan is correct in the sense that this applies equally well to business suits, but he knew that his argument would look a lot weaker unless he made up ridiculously exaggerated connotations of what a business suit means to people.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2008-07-21 11:56am

The connotation is real and if you want to be taken seriously, then you should not be wearing one, no matter how comfortable it is. If you don't care about being taken seriously, then fine, wear the hoodie. Just don't whine about how people won't take you seriously.

Are you seriously saying there is no situation where a hoody is acceptable?

Do you admit that this connotation exists regardless?

I didn't deny it...

Back in the 80s, people had the same argument about guys walking around wearing "rocker shirts" and studded leather armbands. "Oh no, it's just a negative stereotype!" But guess what: all of those guys eventually learned that in order to be taken seriously, you have to wear more adult clothes. It's no different this time, and neither is the tenor and nature of the teen whining.

Except that Hoodies get worn by people of all ages for totally different reasons? It's not just Thugs that wear hoodies. They get worn by Athletes, Rockers, Emo's "Trendies" (haven't used that phrase for a few years)... the list goes on but i've run out of pigeon holes.

Since the connotation exists, it is both. When you wear one and you know that it carries certain connotations, you are consciously choosing to accept those connotations. Keevan is correct in the sense that this applies equally well to business suits, but he knew that his argument would look a lot weaker unless he made up ridiculously exaggerated connotations of what a business suit means to people.

I'm confused Mike. Are you saying it's wrong to reject a negative connotation and disprove it?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 12:03pm

Zac Naloen wrote:
The connotation is real and if you want to be taken seriously, then you should not be wearing one, no matter how comfortable it is. If you don't care about being taken seriously, then fine, wear the hoodie. Just don't whine about how people won't take you seriously.
Are you seriously saying there is no situation where a hoody is acceptable?

Why don't you go back, read the paragraph again, and ask whether your question is stupid? I even gave a clear condition of when and where somebody would wear a hoodie.

Except that Hoodies get worn by people of all ages for totally different reasons? It's not just Thugs that wear hoodies. They get worn by Athletes, Rockers, Emo's "Trendies" (haven't used that phrase for a few years)... the list goes on but i've run out of pigeon holes.

Wow, other categories of precocious brat.

Since the connotation exists, it is both. When you wear one and you know that it carries certain connotations, you are consciously choosing to accept those connotations. Keevan is correct in the sense that this applies equally well to business suits, but he knew that his argument would look a lot weaker unless he made up ridiculously exaggerated connotations of what a business suit means to people.
I'm confused Mike. Are you saying it's wrong to reject a negative connotation and disprove it?

They're telling people to wear a hoodie to work, for fuck's sake. They're trying to pretend that a hoodie should be considered a perfectly respectable piece of clothing. At best, it makes you look like a slob. It's not workplace clothing.

The Guid · Post by **The Guid** » 2008-07-21 01:23pm

Yes, clothing choices of society are arbitary. There is no absolutely rational or abstract reason why a hoody is a bad peice of clothing. The fact is though that people associate it with a particular social group, so by choosing to wear it you are conforming to it. Also, we all know that the main reason to wear a hood is to cover your face making you harder to recognise; unless I'm much mistaken New Zealend isn't known for its Hoth like weather.

Losonti Tokash · Post by **Losonti Tokash** » 2008-07-21 01:32pm

The Guid wrote:Also, we all know that the main reason to wear a hood is to cover your face making you harder to recognise; unless I'm much mistaken New Zealend isn't known for its Hoth like weather.

God forbid I want to protect my face from the rain or something absurd like that.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 01:41pm

Losonti Tokash wrote:
The Guid wrote:Also, we all know that the main reason to wear a hood is to cover your face making you harder to recognise; unless I'm much mistaken New Zealend isn't known for its Hoth like weather.
God forbid I want to protect my face from the rain or something absurd like that.

Wow. It's amazing that I managed to survive all of these years without this essential piece of anti-rain head armour that you refer to. It probably works just as well as a baseball cap worn backwards; maybe they should have had "backwards baseball cap day", where everybody comes to work looking like an idiot.

Losonti Tokash · Post by **Losonti Tokash** » 2008-07-21 01:49pm

Darth Wong wrote:Wow. It's amazing that I managed to survive all of these years without this essential piece of anti-rain head armour that you refer to.

Cause that's exactly what I said, right? Or maybe, I took issue with the assertion that I wear hooded jackets to conceal my identity. Or that that's the chief reason anyone wears a piece of clothing with a hood.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-07-21 01:50pm

Losonti Tokash wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Wow. It's amazing that I managed to survive all of these years without this essential piece of anti-rain head armour that you refer to.
Cause that's exactly what I said, right? Or maybe, I took issue with the assertion that I wear hooded jackets to conceal my identity. Or that that's the chief reason anyone wears a piece of clothing with a hood.

(sigh) This is the exact same argument that people had with baggy pants and jackets. Yes, there are other reasons why one might wear baggy pants and jackets. But once the "gangstas" started using them as a way to conceal weapons, they became indelibly associated with that community, and anyone who wore them undoubtedly knew that unless they had been living in caves.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2008-07-21 01:52pm

The Guid wrote:Yes, clothing choices of society are arbitary. There is no absolutely rational or abstract reason why a hoody is a bad peice of clothing. The fact is though that people associate it with a particular social group, so by choosing to wear it you are conforming to it. Also, we all know that the main reason to wear a hood is to cover your face making you harder to recognise; unless I'm much mistaken New Zealend isn't known for its Hoth like weather.

So everyone who wears a hoodie, despite the wide range of people I described earlier who do where hoodies are all conforming to the same stereotype?

The connotation exists, the only worthwhile argument in this thread is whether the connotation should exist and that is exactly the question being asked by this "wear a hoodie" day.

I think, I can't be certain, that Wong agrees that it shouldn't as he's as much as conceded that there are valid reasons to wear a hoodie that don't = thug.