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Yep, it's another genius, and his IP address tracks to Knoxville TN. What a shock.
George Adams wrote:Name: George Adams
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Date: 14 Jul 2008 02:44:04 -0000
Subject: Sanctimoniousness

Subject line says it all. I was reading your comments on the various books of the bible. Your sense of humor is ample, but mis-directed.

Perhaps you would like to try making fun of the koran as you do the Bible. This is an example of my own sense of humor, because I know you haven't the balls. That would take a man willing to make a sacrifice for what he believes. You just pick on targets that you know won't retaliate.

If you are half as smart as you think you are, you know that DNA blows evolutionary THEORY all to hell. You just can't admit it because then you'd have to believe in God.

We live in a digital universe. (Duh... whatever that means.)Information has to come from somewhere.

By the way, Thank you for the advanced math class. I'm sure your regular readers have no idea what factorials and fibinacci numbers are.

Put this in your hate mail. Loser.

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I wrote:On July 13, 2008 10:44:04 pm you wrote:
Subject line says it all. I was reading your comments on the various books of the bible. Your sense of humor is ample, but mis-directed.

Perhaps you would like to try making fun of the koran as you do the Bible.> This is an example of my own sense of humor, because I know you haven't the balls. That would take a man willing to make a sacrifice for what he believes. You just pick on targets that you know won't retaliate.
The validity of an argument has nothing to do with its author's willingness to subject himself and his family to violent retaliation. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of a logical rebuttal.
If you are half as smart as you think you are, you know that DNA blows evolutionary THEORY all to hell. You just can't admit it because then you'd have to believe in God.
No it doesn't. No doubt you refer to the ridiculous "information theory" argument, which holds that natural processes are incapable of
creating "information" without divine intervention. Too bad for you this is not a theory at all; it cannot even define how one distinguishes
between "information" and other kinds of molecular configuration.
We live in a digital universe. (Duh... whatever that means.)Information has to come from somewhere.
Explain how you distinguish "information" from other types of molecular configuration.
By the way, Thank you for the advanced math class. I'm sure your regular readers have no idea what factorials and fibinacci numbers are.
The fact that I am forced to refute horrible creationist misrepresentations of probability theory is hardly my fault. Perhaps you should get angry at the creationists who promote such misrepresentations in the first place.
Put this in your hate mail. Loser.
You seem to think that pseudo-macho posturing will somehow make your argument stronger. Tell me, do you think that you gain some kind of leverage if you transform the evolution vs creationism debate into some sort of alpha-male machismo contest?
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George Adams wrote:
The validity of an argument has nothing to do with its author's willingness to subject himself and his family to violent retaliation. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of a logical rebuttal.
Logical rebuttal, spelled COWARD.
Explain how you distinguish "information" from other types of molecular configuration.
Information is the ability to tell the next cell how to reproduce its self. A feat never observed in mud balls.
The fact that I am forced to refute horrible creationist misrepresentations of probability theory is hardly my fault. Perhaps you should get angry at the creationists who promote such misrepresentations in the first place.
You certainly have the nerve implying that creationists are liars. Compared to all the hoaxes pulled off and attempted by your kind of course you would have no compunction about that since you think you've taken God out of the equation .What's a few lies?
You seem to think that pseudo-macho posturing will somehow make your argument stronger. Tell me, do you think that you gain some kind of leverage if you transform the evolution vs creationism debate into some sort of alpha-male machismo contest?
This has nothing to do with macho. I detest your straw man arguments. Suggesting that Hitler was a Christian is just stupid.! He believed his was the superior race. I wonder where he got that idea? Also,I suggest you read some real history and you"ll know that Abraham Lincoln was not an atheist.

You have no real argument, just a lot of verbosity and too much time on your hands. I see I *haven't made your "hate mail" list. As far as I'm concerned, I'm the only one who has sent any . Perhaps they were trying to convert you. I think you are too big an idiot .*
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I wrote:
George Adams wrote:
I wrote:The validity of an argument has nothing to do with its author's willingness to subject himself and his family to violent retaliation. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of a logical rebuttal.
Logical rebuttal, spelled COWARD.
LOL ... this virtually mocks itself.
Information is the ability to tell the next cell how to reproduce its self. A feat never observed in mud balls.
There is plenty of biological reproduction in a typical mud ball. And you still have not explained how you know that it is impossible for this kind of "information" to arise through natural processes, especially since DNA is essentially a very complex organic acid, and as such, is obviously quite reactive. Not that I would expect you to know any chemistry.
You certainly have the nerve implying that creationists are liars.
Who's implying? I'll say it outright. Creationists come in two flavours: ignorant and dishonest. In your case, you're both. You continually make vague reference to areas of chemistry and history which you've obviously never actually bothered learning. Given that, and your tough-guy posturing, I'm guessing that you're either a high school kid or an adult with developmental difficulties.
Compared to all the hoaxes pulled off and attempted by your kind of course you would have no compunction about that since you think you've taken God out of the equation. What's a few lies?
Funny thing about these scientific "hoaxes" you allude to; without exception, they are discovered and debunked by other scientists. When can we expect to see the chuch actively debunk some of the obviously false claims in the Bible, such as the clearly mythical Exodus journey which centuries of archaeological research have failed to support?

And why do you think people who take God out of the equation must have no morals? On the contrary, it is the Christian fundamentalist who has no morals; he subscribes to a belief system where it is your belief rather than your behaviour which determines your worth: "salvation through faith, not works".
I wrote:You seem to think that pseudo-macho posturing will somehow make your argument stronger. Tell me, do you think that you gain some kind of leverage if you transform the evolution vs creationism debate into some sort of alpha-male machismo contest?
This has nothing to do with macho.
LOL ... so says the mouth-breathing knuckle-dragger whose idea of a rebuttal is to say that I need to face physical violence.
I detest your straw man arguments. Suggesting that Hitler was a Christian is just stupid!
Is that the best rebuttal you can come up with to my numerous arguments on the subject? Just say it's "stupid" without explaining why? How do you explain those quotes from "Mein Kampf"?
He believed his was the superior race. I wonder where he got that idea?
Not from evolution theory, which states that the most populous and reproductive race is the most successful one. Aryans are nowhere near the most populous race, so they are NOT superior according to evolution theory. But of course, you wouldn't know that, because you obviously don't know the first thing about evolution theory.
Also,I suggest you read some real history and you"ll know that Abraham Lincoln was not an atheist.
He was probably a deist. Not that someone like you would recognize the distinction.
You have no real argument, just a lot of verbosity and too much time on your hands. I see I *haven't made your "hate mail" list. As far as I'm concerned, I'm the only one who has sent any. Perhaps they were trying to convert you. I think you are too big an idiot.
Tell you what, I'll post your oh-so-brilliant arguments on my Internet forum for all to admire. Will that make you happy?

You're frankly not worth a website update; you're exactly the sort of blustering stereotypical fundie that I would expect to be posting from a place like Knoxville Tennessee. I half-expected you to be making an attempt at satire until I saw your IP address location.
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Internet tough-guy posturing and trying to act macho when someone threatens his religion? Meh, I'd almost say idiots like him are a dime a dozen but that's probably being too generous.
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...Why are you responding to this idiot? It's obvious he has no intention of arguing with you.
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This is someone who just thinks he's right and you are wrong and any other conclusion would destroy his mind. He doesn't comprehend, even vaguely, that the world doesn't work according to human emotional desires. He most likely never will.

He doesn't even go as far to give reasons. He just calls you stupid and expect you to acknowledge him.

This is not a debate in the slightest. This is just an idiot showing his dick around. Nothing interesting.
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this seemed appropriate

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I hope this guy continues to reply with posturing, leading into more absurd assertions about himself and trailing away further with each email from the subject of creationism, until it's just him talking about how he's more manly than you.
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you should send him a link to this thread, for the enjoyment of the plebian masses.
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You have no real argument, just a lot of verbosity and too much time on your hands.
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George Adams wrote:My mind is made up! You can't confuse me with the facts!
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The internet has finally got to Mike, he actually started a sentence with "LOL"!

And yes, if there's one thing DNA does, it's "blow" evolution "THEORY" out of the water. After all, what possible pro-evolution point could the genetic, heritable unity of life have?
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I'm surprised creationists and the like don't write DNA off as another of those evil science lies and fabrications. Y'know, like all those dino fossils and what have you.

Wasn't it Darwin, incidentally, that said that evoloution was slow, inefficient, and filled with dead ends? Not exactly the work of a perfect being, really.

I like that X-Files quote from Mulder, something along the lines of 'And on the 8th day God created man, but forget to tell everyone about his side projects." Btw - do creationists have a stance on extra terrestrials?
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Remember guys, basic probability is seriously advanced maths!!!

Utterly pathetic. The concept presented on Wong's page is ridiculously simple. My class covered it in detail in the third year of high school, and I knew the basic idea (without supporting formulas) in the last year of elementary school.

Advanced math indeed...
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PeZook wrote:Remember guys, basic probability is seriously advanced maths!!!

Utterly pathetic. The concept presented on Wong's page is ridiculously simple. My class covered it in detail in the third year of high school, and I knew the basic idea (without supporting formulas) in the last year of elementary school.

Advanced math indeed...
Hey, stop your false bragging. You don't know about about "fibinacci" numbers.

And information theory disproves evolution, somehow, so there!
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petesampras wrote: Hey, stop your false bragging. You don't know about about "fibinacci" numbers.

And information theory disproves evolution, somehow, so there!
Yeah, I agree. I don't know "fibinacci" numbers because they don't exist. :D

There is a Fibonacci number sequence, of course, but this isn't a very complicated concept either, and I have no idea why he thinks it's relevant to the very basic probabilistic argument creationists don't seem to grasp.
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"Sanctimoniousness" is a noun, but he is using it as an adjective to describe you and the site.

The creationists is illiterate. He is right, the title really does say it all.


And why is it the Christians always start going into comparisons with the Koran? Same thing happened with PZ Myers.
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PeZook wrote:
petesampras wrote: Hey, stop your false bragging. You don't know about about "fibinacci" numbers.

And information theory disproves evolution, somehow, so there!
Yeah, I agree. I don't know "fibinacci" numbers because they don't exist. :D

There is a Fibonacci number sequence, of course, but this isn't a very complicated concept either, and I have no idea why he thinks it's relevant to the very basic probabilistic argument creationists don't seem to grasp.
i thought it was just an attempt at demosntrating "sophisticated" math knowledge. Like casually saying, "I'm smart enough enough to figure all taht out, if I WANTED to..."

Except you know, we covered Fibonacci numbers as they relate to Golden Ratio in seventh grade...

They describe a rectangle that when you cut out an een square, out of which remains a rectangle, from which you can cut out a square, out which remains a rectangle out of which you can cut a square, and when you connect the corner it makes a spiral akin to the pattern on sunflowers, the patterns on seashells etc.

They are pretty cool though, apparently they are frequently replicated in nature, the number of leaves on flowers branches on trees etc. I have heard them referred to as evidence of intelligent design.

if you connect all of the golden rectangles on Earth they spell "SLARTIBADFAST"

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Ender wrote:And why is it the Christians always start going into comparisons with the Koran? Same thing happened with PZ Myers.
Because ragging on Christians is unpatriotic but ragging on those damn dirty Arabs is intensely patriotic. Obviously Mike must be some kind of America-hater because he's attacking Christians but not those damn dirty Arabs.
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Junghalli wrote:
Ender wrote:And why is it the Christians always start going into comparisons with the Koran? Same thing happened with PZ Myers.
Because ragging on Christians is unpatriotic but ragging on those damn dirty Arabs is intensely patriotic. Obviously Mike must be some kind of America-hater because he's attacking Christians but not those damn dirty Arabs.
And of course, they're so ignorant that they don't realize the Koran and the Bible have exactly the same creation myth.
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PeZook wrote:There is a Fibonacci number sequence, of course, but this isn't a very complicated concept either, and I have no idea why he thinks it's relevant to the very basic probabilistic argument creationists don't seem to grasp.
Because this moron seems to think that since something has a mathematical propperty of some sort it must heve been designed by an intelligent beign, because nature can't possibly come up with something as complicated as a proportion all by itself, so logically this undeniably proves there's a god :roll:
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Isn't it a mistake for them to be trying to prove Gods existence anyway? I mean I thought the whole point of the religion was to believe and have faith in the absence of proof. If they think they have 'proven' or can 'prove' Gods existence, then aren't they shooting themselves in the foot by doing that? That's like them saying that they don't have faith in Him. But ... since He asks for faith in his followers, then logically He would not leave evidence of His existence lying around to find, and therefor no amount of DNA or math or science should, from their POV, ever be able to prove that God exists. I'd have thought.
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Revy wrote:Isn't it a mistake for them to be trying to prove Gods existence anyway? I mean I thought the whole point of the religion was to believe and have faith in the absence of proof.
Well, that's what they say now. Two thousand years ago, they said "I will prove that I am the Son of God by performing miracles for you". Before that, they said "God will prove his power by smiting his foes". It's a modern retcon to pretend that it's all about choosing to believe in the complete absence of proof. They made up that bullshit in order to explain why they couldn't pull off miracles.

Anyone who hews to the Old Testament (a category which includes most creationists, particular the YEC variety) probably doesn't believe in that doctrine.
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Ender wrote:And why is it the Christians always start going into comparisons with the Koran? Same thing happened with PZ Myers.
They want to imply you're some liberal anti-America, anti-West, Islamofascist-sympathizer/appeaser that is eager to placate Islam while condemning and "persecuting" Christianity.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Ender wrote:And why is it the Christians always start going into comparisons with the Koran? Same thing happened with PZ Myers.
They want to imply you're some liberal anti-America, anti-West, Islamofascist-sympathizer/appeaser that is eager to placate Islam while condemning and "persecuting" Christianity.
See, I get around that problem by bashing on both. I just know christianity better, I am happy however to point out that Mohammad diddled children.

Of course the creationism in Islam and the creationism in Christianity are exactly the same...
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