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U.S. food industry bitten by its lobbying success
Last Updated: Friday, July 25, 2008 | 8:38 AM ET The Associated Press

One of the worst outbreaks of food-borne illness in the U.S. is teaching the food industry the truth of the adage, "Be careful what you wish for because you might get it."

The industry pressured the Bush administration years ago to limit the paperwork companies would have to keep to help U.S. health investigators quickly trace produce that sickens consumers, according to interviews and government reports reviewed by the Associated Press.

The White House also killed a plan to require the industry to maintain electronic tracking records that could be reviewed easily during a crisis to search for an outbreak's source. Companies complained the proposals were too burdensome and costly, and warned they could disrupt the availability of consumers' favorite foods.

The apparent but unintended consequences of the lobbying success: a paper record-keeping system that has slowed investigators, with estimated business losses of $250 million US. So far, nearly 1,300 people in 43 states, the District of Columbia and Canada have fallen ill to salmonella since April.

Investigators initially focused on tomatoes as a culprit. Now they are turning attention to jalapeno peppers.

A former member of U.S. President George W. Bush's cabinet and three former senior officials in the Food and Drug Administration told the AP that government food safety experts did not get the strong record-keeping and trace-back system originally proposed under a bioterrorism law to cope with a major food-borne illness.

"In retrospect, yes, if they [the regulations] had been broader and a bit more far-reaching, it could have helped with this," said Robert Brackett, senior vice-president of the Grocery Manufacturers Association and formerly a top safety official at the FDA.

Under pressure in 2003 and 2004, the White House agreed to dilute record-keeping proposals by FDA safety experts.

"If the FDA had been given the resources and authority years ago that it asked for to solve these kinds of problems, I think we would have solved this already," said William Hubbard, a former FDA associate commissioner.

Tommy Thompson, health secretary during the industry's lobbying campaign, acknowledged that a more robust food-tracking system — opposed by business groups as too expensive — could have helped stem the current illnesses and business losses.

"We went in with the larger package but knew we had to compromise," Thompson told the AP. "I was satisfied with this being the first step. It's always better to be a Monday morning quarterback. We could have ended up with nothing. If we had more, would it help the situation now? Yes."
Lobbyists said new regulations would prove costly

According to government records reviewed by the AP, business groups met at least 10 times with the White House between March 2003 and March 2004, as the FDA regulations were under debate. Food industry lobbyists successfully blunted proposals using arguments familiar in other regulatory debates: The government's plans would saddle business with unnecessary and costly regulations.

The Washington-based Center for Science in the Public Interest obtained the White House meeting records under the Freedom of Information Act and provided them to the AP.

Participants in the meetings included companies and trade groups up and down the food chain, including:
  • Altria Group Inc. and Kraft Foods Inc., when Altria was Kraft's parent.
  • The Kroger Co.
  • Safeway Inc.
  • ConAgra Foods Inc.
  • The Procter & Gamble Co.
  • The American Forest and Paper Association.
  • The Polystyrene Packaging Council.
  • The Glass Packaging Institute.
  • The Cocoa Merchants' Association of America.
  • The World Shipping Council.
  • The Food Marketing Institute.
The Grocery Manufacturers Association spent $2.6 million US on lobbing in 2003 and 2004, the period when the FDA rules were under consideration, according to federal lobbying records. The Food Marketing Institute spent $1.7 million US during the period. The figures were for all lobbying by the trade groups and on their behalf.

David Acheson, the FDA official in charge of the current salmonella investigation, said the agency slowly is reviewing paper records to help trace tainted produce. But Acheson disputed arguments that an electronic records system would necessarily have helped investigators.

"We still haven't managed to figure out this outbreak," he said in an interview days before the case's biggest break — discovery of a tainted Mexican-grown jalapeno in a southern Texas warehouse.
I like the list of people present at the meetings. Just the sort of people you want determining your food safety policies.

But oh no, the Free Market would never let something like this happen! Industries will self-regulate if you neuter government oversight!
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Haha, fuck them. I found a sharp piece of plastic in one of those microwaveable meals that ConAgra sells recently that I could have easily choked on if I hadn't noticed it while chewing, so it's about time something like this bit them in the ass.
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Corporate Socialism shown to be doubleplusungood for anyone who isn't a corporation?! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!
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The feds actually forbade some cattle farmer in some state from testing all of his cattle for mad cow disease on his own dime because it would confer an unfair competitive advantage and force everyone else to follow suit. That was some time ago, but I'm certain somebody can find the article on the forum.

The FDA currently is a joke.
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Well, the FDA is like every other federal institution at the moment: they all worship the Holy Grail of maximum economic growth, with every other socio-economic factor being dismissed as irrelevant or unimportant. They had the same problem with drug approvals, where employees were pressured to approve certain drugs because the brass was basically run by drug industry lobbyists.

This is what you get when you have a society full of people who think that if you "distrust" government, the solution is not to improve it, but to neuter it and assume that all of its necessary functions will somehow just take care of themselves. Plenty of Americans right here on this forum bear that exact mentality and trot it out at every opportunity.
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What's baffling, is the way that agencies and legislators look at laws that were put on the books with good reason, to address real problems, and their attitude is basically "these rules are pointless and do nothing but cause inconvenience; let's ditch them."

It's not just with food; some of our present economic problems sure appear to stem from the repeal of laws written specifically to prevent dangerous practices because of the damage those practices had inflicted, before.
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Kanastrous wrote:What's baffling, is the way that agencies and legislators look at laws that were put on the books with good reason, to address real problems, and their attitude is basically "these rules are pointless and do nothing but cause inconvenience; let's ditch them."

It's not just with food; some of our present economic problems sure appear to stem from the repeal of laws written specifically to prevent dangerous practices because of the damage those practices had inflicted, before.
Their logic is that businesspeople have learned their lessons and will not repeat the same mistakes. You know, because businesspeople are somehow immune to the weaknesses of human nature.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Kanastrous wrote:What's baffling, is the way that agencies and legislators look at laws that were put on the books with good reason, to address real problems, and their attitude is basically "these rules are pointless and do nothing but cause inconvenience; let's ditch them."

It's not just with food; some of our present economic problems sure appear to stem from the repeal of laws written specifically to prevent dangerous practices because of the damage those practices had inflicted, before.
Their logic is that businesspeople have learned their lessons and will not repeat the same mistakes. You know, because businesspeople are somehow immune to the weaknesses of human nature.
Yeah, I have a libertarian friend who's convinced that all regulatory laws should be junked, because enlightened self-interest will compel good corporate behavior.

It's in a similar category, to religious faith. Don't bother us with facts, we've got us a nice belief-system going, here...
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Edi wrote:The feds actually forbade some cattle farmer in some state from testing all of his cattle for mad cow disease on his own dime because it would confer an unfair competitive advantage and force everyone else to follow suit. That was some time ago, but I'm certain somebody can find the article on the forum.

The FDA currently is a joke.
And now people in America are getting Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease by the boatload. Criminal Negligence and Depraved Indifference can be added to Bush's list of impeachable crimes now.
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Edi wrote:The feds actually forbade some cattle farmer in some state from testing all of his cattle for mad cow disease on his own dime because it would confer an unfair competitive advantage and force everyone else to follow suit. That was some time ago, but I'm certain somebody can find the article on the forum.

The FDA currently is a joke.
And now people in America are getting Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease by the boatload. Criminal Negligence and Depraved Indifference can be added to Bush's list of impeachable crimes now.


CJD and vCJD are very different things; a fair number of people are always coming down with CJD and dying horribly, and there's nothing we can do about that. vCJD is what's caused by Mad Cow disease, and looking at those articles, none of them are vCJD. There's about 300 cases of CJD every year in the United States, mostly among older people, and guess what, basically all those articles are about old people.
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Edi wrote:The feds actually forbade some cattle farmer in some state from testing all of his cattle for mad cow disease on his own dime because it would confer an unfair competitive advantage and force everyone else to follow suit. That was some time ago, but I'm certain somebody can find the article on the forum.

The FDA currently is a joke.
And now people in America are getting Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease by the boatload. Criminal Negligence and Depraved Indifference can be added to Bush's list of impeachable crimes now.


CJD and vCJD are very different things; a fair number of people are always coming down with CJD and dying horribly, and there's nothing we can do about that. vCJD is what's caused by Mad Cow disease, and looking at those articles, none of them are vCJD. There's about 300 cases of CJD every year in the United States, mostly among older people, and guess what, basically all those articles are about old people.
Bah, guess that's what I get for not doing an RTFA maneuver.
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Kanastrous wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Kanastrous wrote:What's baffling, is the way that agencies and legislators look at laws that were put on the books with good reason, to address real problems, and their attitude is basically "these rules are pointless and do nothing but cause inconvenience; let's ditch them."

It's not just with food; some of our present economic problems sure appear to stem from the repeal of laws written specifically to prevent dangerous practices because of the damage those practices had inflicted, before.
Their logic is that businesspeople have learned their lessons and will not repeat the same mistakes. You know, because businesspeople are somehow immune to the weaknesses of human nature.
Yeah, I have a libertarian friend who's convinced that all regulatory laws should be junked, because enlightened self-interest will compel good corporate behavior.

It's in a similar category, to religious faith. Don't bother us with facts, we've got us a nice belief-system going, here...
It really is, but libertarians aren't the only ones who let ideology trump the truth.
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Yeah. He heard otherwise from fucking Sean Hannity. :roll:
I know it's Hannity because I listen to him or Randi Rhodes when I drive to work, and the guy was repeating Hannity's crap word for word from his radio show.

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Darth Wong wrote:Well, the FDA is like every other federal institution at the moment: they all worship the Holy Grail of maximum economic growth
And, like the Holy Grail, our "economic growth" is a myth. At least at present.
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Broomstick wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Well, the FDA is like every other federal institution at the moment: they all worship the Holy Grail of maximum economic growth
And, like the Holy Grail, our "economic growth" is a myth. At least at present.
Because the high priests who perform the blood sacrifice of the middle class on the altar of economic growth conveniently forget that there's a thing called a "business cycle". If the government had interfered decades ago, raised taxes, and kept interest rates higher, we'd have money to spare to reinvest in the economy and save our sorry asses from downturns. But no, we had to go ahead and maximize growth instead, keeping the government out, deregulating, and letting people get hurt.
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Trust me, before the FDA, you would not like to know what went on in the pharma and agri industries. The US companies are notorious today for being wishy washy on this stuff, which is probably why the UK is more stringent on these issues following both the FDA original guidelines, and the OECD, EC and UK ones as well.

Foodwise, well, not my forte, but no doubt has just as many bad players, as we see here.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:Trust me, before the FDA, you would not like to know what went on in the pharma and agri industries.
But if the curiosity is biting at you, try reading Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. As a bonus, you'll also get to know what it's like to be working class during the "Gilded Age".
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