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Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-07-24 08:49pm

Ford Prefect wrote:Look at Alto, who was totally tsundere for Mikhail in the first episode.

Yeah, but Alto has to tsundere at someone, or he explodes.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-07-24 11:49pm

Vendetta wrote:
Yeah, but Alto has to tsundere at someone, or he explodes.

Oh he does it so much in this episode it's not even funny. His tsun makes him attack Brera, who quickly shows Alto the true power of a cyborg with Quattro shades. Overall this was a nice episode with some callbacks to the other legendary singers of Macross like Minmay and Basara. Even the Protodevilin get mentioned. Also Richard Bilrer's dream is another homage to Leiji Matsumoto, this time its the idea of a galactic railway a la Galaxy Express 999 just with fold technology. My only complaint is the VB-6 doesn't transform to Battroid mode. I want to see it look nice and pretty in modern CG.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-07-25 08:29pm

VF5SS wrote:
Vendetta wrote:
Yeah, but Alto has to tsundere at someone, or he explodes.
Oh he does it so much in this episode it's not even funny. His tsun makes him attack Brera, who quickly shows Alto the true power of a cyborg with Quattro shades.

Alto will get him by the end, mark my words. Brera will understand the Power Of Love (and tsun) before he bows out.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-07-26 02:32am

Christ, Brera is frickin' annoying. Showboating half-man.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-07-26 01:14pm

I uploaded the first All That VF to my youtube page. Kyun kyun! I hope the rest are this fun.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2008-07-27 03:38am

Ok... I'm a bit confused. So Grace is in charge of some covert anti-Vajra operation on Macross Frontier. Yet a few episodes ago we saw that she is clearly not human, and I somehow get the impression that she's a Vajra?

Am I missing something here?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-07-27 04:56am

A lot. Grace is a human, she's "merely" a cyborg. The Vajra are yet another race of weapons created by the Protoculture for, one assumes, proxy warfare. Like the Zentradi and the Evil. Her conspiracy is probably looking for a way to control them and/or harness their ability to negate dislocations in fold-space.

And holy hell, OverTech lets you tell Newton to go fuck himself. If that wasn't clear before, it is now. "Inertia?" Pfft! Those VFs were pulling like a million Gs.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2008-07-27 07:15am

Ok... But how does one explain the scene just before the destruction of the planet with the Zentradi? Her hand "turned" into some organic mess thingy... which kinda gave me the impression maybe she was related to the Vajra since the Vajra is more "organic" in nature.

Later in the series, when she awoke in the new body, she also mentioned that Ranka is the new Little Queen, presumably of the Vajra. Does this not imply that she is working for the Vajra, and Ranka is presumably some human-Vajra hybrid? Which would also explains why her song can influence the Vajra.

I'm just damn confused...

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-07-27 08:17am

Rommie2006 wrote:Which would also explains why her song can influence the Vajra.

This is just a quirk of everything the Protoculture makes.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-07-27 08:52am

Grace's lower arm turned into bunch of cables connecting her to the dimension eater. She's probably the least organic thing in Frontier. Regarding how the Varja are affected by Ranka's song, it turns out those little purple crystals are "Fold Quartz" which allows for improved fold drives and presumably communication. We've seen that Ranka has microscopic fold quartzes in her body which all her to "sing" through space. Even Alto was able to hear Sheryl singing thanks to the earning she gave him. Richard Bilrer wants to use these fold quartzes to make a "galaxy railway" using improves fold drives that can bypass dislocations. Anyone notice that he suddenly seems a lot less evil without the scary lighting?

This is just a quirk of everything the Protoculture makes.

Klan's comment is golden, "I know my ancestors and the Protodevilin were affected by song, but this is absurd!"

No Klan, this is your life.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-07-27 06:52pm

VF5SS wrote:Klan's comment is golden, "I know my ancestors and the Protodevilin were affected by song, but this is absurd!"

No Klan, this is your life.

Man, I self-awareness.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-07-27 06:54pm

Err, I love self-awareness. Oops.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-07-27 07:14pm

You had deculture written all over your face for a minute there Ford.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-07-28 08:36am

VF5SS wrote:Anyone notice that he suddenly seems a lot less evil without the scary lighting?

It's hard to take someone seriously as "evil" when he's playing with a train set.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2008-07-28 10:28am

I never actually thought he looked evil; more an enigmatic rich businessman with shadowy motives. However, he turns out to be yet another self-made man with amusing indulgences.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2008-07-28 12:17pm

I was totally confused until I ran into this thread.

The whole thing with Alto hearing the song from within the belly of the Vajra ship makes sense now.. along with a lot of other little hints.

I assume on Galaxy and other Macross colony fleets, cybernetics like we see on Brera and Grace are actually pretty common?

Also, what's the term "deculture" mean?

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2008-07-28 01:13pm

It just occurred to me: the Vajra are the Invid of Macross!

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-07-28 01:23pm

Cykeisme wrote:Also, what's the term "deculture" mean?

It's an expression of shock and surprise. Was originally used for unpleasant surprises, has become more general.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2008-07-28 01:55pm

Galvatron wrote:It just occurred to me: the Vajra are the Invid of Macross!

I love pestering macross fanwhores by mentioning robotech as much as the next guy, but now you're just pushing it.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-07-28 03:50pm

In as much as they're both participants in a Bug War, yeah. The resemblance kinda stops there though. The Inbit were a race with their own defined goals, whereas the Vajra appear to be yet another landmine left lying around by the Protoculture.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2008-07-28 05:27pm

Inbit are space crabs. Varja are space bugs. Get it right. And the Varja have yet to fall for the Ewok log trap so they're still cool.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2008-07-28 06:17pm

I say Macross ripped off Robotech.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2008-07-28 06:27pm

Galvatron wrote:I say Macross ripped off Robotech.

oh god, now he's gone and done it.

*Dives into a fallout shelter*

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2008-07-28 06:40pm

Which came first, Starscream or the Veritech?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2008-07-28 06:44pm

hmm.

Judgint by this pic I found on another forum, Ozma will likely be having some words with canaria about he choice of decorations for the Koenig Monster.