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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I think Shroomanian anti-monarchists would be a bit annoyed with Heraclius and Paul ruling all over the place. I mean, the anti-monarchists did kick out Queen Asphixia back in the 19th century...

Doesn't help that Prime Minister Shroom is also descended from royalty!

Though the noble houses are dead, I plan to have post-monarchy court intrigue in Shroomania. With House Schroms and House Shrooms and Clan MacMillan an' shit!
Byzantium is strictly a constitutional monarchy that controls only the foreign affairs and defence ministry.

The only main irritant is the church.. well, I have the power to lock the Patriarch in his room. :lol: Why that insolent priest...

Maybe I should spice things up with a more confrontational attitude with the Prime Minister.
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Shepistan/Old Dominion Relations since the 2nd Shepistan-Dominion War

Lion of Shepistan ramming incident

In 1985 the new ODN CVN Bulwark was finally completed, after a long construction and design process that include 8 years of intermittent work on the slipways.

Indeed, despite inter-service cooperation during the two wars, the various Dominion branches were at each other's throats over rapidly shrinking defense budgets, a result of the Liberals taking power in the House of Burgesses. The Bulwark left Occoquan on the 12th of March and went on a 2-week shake down, after which it would return to the Occoquan Navy Yard for the a month, then depart to the Shinra Coast to complete workups, far from prying Shepistani eyes.

On the 14th the Shepistani destroyer Lion of Shepistan began to close and act in an aggressive manner towards the Bulwark, such as maneuvering in between the destroyer screen and the CVN.

At approximately 1920 the Lion of Shepistan began a high speed run towards the Bulwark. Captain Evans of the Bulwark commented "a 97,000 ton vessel always wins" and ordered the carrier to commence a high speed run. The Bulwark collided with the Lion of Shepistan.

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Collision damage on the Bulwark.

Onboard the Lion of Shepistan fires broke out, and several vessels of the ODN offered to render aid, but the offers were declined by the Shepistani CO. Eventually the aluminum superstructure began to melt as a Shepistani frigate, Alligator came along side to help with the damage control. All through the night fires raged, and morning brought a terrible sight.

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The Lion of Shepistan was escorted back to Shepistani waters by the Alligator, while the Bulwark returned to Occoquan Navy Yard. Captain Evans was relieved on the spot as the Bulwark tied up pierside.



The Sharpsburg War
Shepistan made very little noise regarding the incident, and beside "normal" border skirmishes and artillery exchanges there was no further conflict until April 19th, 1988 on that day a Shepistani and Dominion patrol ran into each other in Sharpsburg county. The Shepistani patrol got the drop on the enemy and wiped out the Dominion patrol.

Although such incidents were(and are) fairly common along the border, the commander of the Dominion patrol happened to be the son-in-law of the Dominion sector commander, Major General William Randolph. Due to the nature of the border, the coalition commanders(that is, Dominion and MESS commanders) were permitted a great deal of latitude in their actions. And so, MG Randolph ordered an airstrike on the Al-Waldorf rail bridge, with 6 F-4Gs in Wild Weasel role hitting air defense sites, and 4 A-7Ds tasked to destroy the bridge.

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The mission was a success, but rarely were airstrikes used in the border war, and never on targets beyond the line of control. By the time the Dominion Joint Chiefs had heard what MG Randolph had done, it was too late. Sheptistani retaliation was swift. The 29th Special Commando was ordered to seize Sugarloaf Mountain, were several ODA observation posts were located. On the 21st the attack began, with Shepistani aircraft using PGMs on the 400 or so ODA soldiers manning the Sugarloaf defenses.

The airstrike was remarkably successful, and feed from the Su-25s was disseminated to the global media.

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The ODA and ODAF began a counter attack, and the Bulwark strike group left port.

On the 28th ODAF A-4s began a bombing run on Sugarloaf Mountain. Of the 6 tasked for the strike, 2 were shot down by SAF MiG-25s. The ODAF then bombed Arundal Air Field, though only minor damage was inflicted. The Old Dominion formally asked for MESS aide.

The Old Dominion found support lacking. Canissa was loathe to send troops that, in the words of the a statement from the Royal Palace "would turn a minor squabble into a 3rd major war." The Shinra Republic likewise was immobilize, due to a Presidential Scandal involving the 1988 Boy Scout "Klondike" Jamboree(in fact the Shinra 5th Infantry division, stationed in the Old Dominion, remained on post the entire duration of the conflict). Only Byzantium and Tian Xia prepared to send limited aid, although both with caveat that the Old Dominion and Shepistan actively seek a diplomatic solution.

With the Old Dominion military woefully under equipped following over a decade of the Liberals being in power, and lukewarm support from her allies, the Old Dominion announced a unilateral ceasefire, effectively ceding territory to Shepistan. The Liberal government soon fell, and the Whigs began a plan to re-arm the military....
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Damn, reading over Sea Skimmer's and Mr. Bean's armed force structures makes me thankfull that my nation will be an ex-colony away from the large traditional powers. Otherwise I'd be feeling a lot like Finland in 1939.
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Er Lonestar, are you sure that ship can still go under its own power with practically the entire superstructure melted down?
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Er Lonestar, are you sure that ship can still go under its own power with practically the entire superstructure melted down?
I will bet money(all the Singaporean dollars that I still have in my wallet, lo these many years) that yes, it was able to get underway under it's own power.

Go look up "USS Belknap" :P
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Lonestar wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Er Lonestar, are you sure that ship can still go under its own power with practically the entire superstructure melted down?
I will bet money(all the Singaporean dollars that I still have in my wallet, lo these many years) that yes, it was able to get underway under it's own power.

Go look up "USS Belknap" :P
You even have Singaporean notes? :lol:
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Man, I got a new wallet for my birthday and as I was cleaning it out I found *a lot* of $2 notes(the pinkish ones with "Education" on the back).

Yeah yeah, I have a George Costanza wallet...
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Lonestar wrote:Man, I got a new wallet for my birthday and as I was cleaning it out I found *a lot* of $2 notes(the pinkish ones with "Education" on the back).

Yeah yeah, I have a George Costanza wallet...
The notes are now made of plastic. I guess you acquired them during the Tsunami recovery. :lol: I totally forgot about the Belknap. That ship burnt herself to the hull... I guess she had auxiliary controls in the hull.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
The notes are now made of plastic. I guess you acquired them during the Tsunami recovery. :lol: I totally forgot about the Belknap. That ship burnt herself to the hull... I guess she had auxiliary controls in the hull.
There's a room called "Aft steering" that let's you steer the ship from there.

It's located...in the aft part of the ship.

Dude hanged himself in there once.

Pretty impressive feat, as on our ship there's like 5 ft of clearance between the deck and ceiling.
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Lonestar wrote:Man, I got a new wallet for my birthday and as I was cleaning it out I found *a lot* of $2 notes(the pinkish ones with "Education" on the back).

Yeah yeah, I have a George Costanza wallet...
This is going to sound odd, but checking my wallet I still have 36 Singapore dollars I forgot to change back when we left. A 500 Yen note plus roughly six Euro's in change I have in jar along with the rest of my foreign coins.

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Can this game have a continent almost completely full of NPC third-world shitholes, like Africa?
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What was the GDP of Tsardoms again?
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Coiler wrote:Can this game have a continent almost completely full of NPC third-world shitholes, like Africa?
I was hoping to be located in such a place, actually. Having a lot of third world nations would certainly make the world more believable as well as giving people lots of places to get raw materiels and have proxy conflicts in.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:What was the GDP of Tsardoms again?
PeZook wrote:I say Duchies get 500 bil, on the level of Sweden, 800 bil for Principalities, 1.3 trillion for Kingdoms, 2.5 for Tsardoms and 5 for Imperiums.
Unless someone's got a better idea, I say we go with those figures.
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Raj Ahten wrote:I was hoping to be located in such a place, actually. Having a lot of third world nations would certainly make the world more believable as well as giving people lots of places to get raw materiels and have proxy conflicts in.
I wouldn't mind being located on the doorstep of such a place either.
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Cool. I'll be drawing up a map of the continent's landmass, then.
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SiegeTank wrote:
Raj Ahten wrote:I was hoping to be located in such a place, actually. Having a lot of third world nations would certainly make the world more believable as well as giving people lots of places to get raw materiels and have proxy conflicts in.
I wouldn't mind being located on the doorstep of such a place either.
Since you, Coiler and I all want to be in the same area, it might behoove us to come up with a regional association of some sort, assuming our governments are remotely compatible of course. Even if we don't have formal agreements, we are likely going to have to work together to check large powers with designs on the region. Keep the old colonial powers out! :wink: By the way, wasn't the basic idea of your state that you are constantly experiencing urban unrest or something similar? That would certainly make living nearby interesting.
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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:What was the GDP of Tsardoms again?
PeZook wrote:I say Duchies get 500 bil, on the level of Sweden, 800 bil for Principalities, 1.3 trillion for Kingdoms, 2.5 for Tsardoms and 5 for Imperiums.
Unless someone's got a better idea, I say we go with those figures.
Yeah, I'm perfectly OK with these figures. But what about population?
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Setzer wrote:
Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:What was the GDP of Tsardoms again?
PeZook wrote:I say Duchies get 500 bil, on the level of Sweden, 800 bil for Principalities, 1.3 trillion for Kingdoms, 2.5 for Tsardoms and 5 for Imperiums.
Unless someone's got a better idea, I say we go with those figures.
Yeah, I'm perfectly OK with these figures. But what about population?
SiegeTank wrote:Just stick with a ~$350 billion GDP and a population somewhere inbetween Sweden and The Netherlands, and you should be fine.
For a sense of scale, Sweden has a population of roughly 9 million, while the Netherlands has a population of roughly 16 million. So, population could roughly go something like this:

- Duchy: 10-20 million
- Principality: 21-30 million
- Kingdom: 31-40 million
- Tsardom: 41-50 million
- Imperium: 51+ million
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I would like to have some hard limit on the size of Imperiums.

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Okay, the limit can be size of the Peoples Republic of China then, though both Russia and Canada have far less money and yet more land area. I designed Japanistan to have 500 million people and 3.1 million square kilometers, making it somewhat wealthier per capita and somewhat more densely populated then the PRC, and now that I’ve done real work on a map and history I don’t intend to change that.

Its not going to make any difference in all reality, even if I did accept a smaller limit, which I have no intention of doing given that we have an entire globe and at least two continents to fill, it would just mean I have a better equipped, better trained military and could spend less on defensive armaments, more on offensive stealth semi kamikazes and pulsejet propelled torpedo boats.
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We're sticking to the whole "Each rank gets half the resources of the one above it" rule still? Because this would give me about 62.5 million people and a land area of 387,500 sq km. So I'd be about the size of Zimbabwe. I'd planned something like that all along, so this works for me. Going with PeZook's GDP figures, my per capita is nearly 13,000. So I'm not as wealthy as some, but hardly a pit of squalor.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Its not going to make any difference in all reality, even if I did accept a smaller limit, which I have no intention of doing given that we have an entire globe and at least two continents to fill, it would just mean I have a better equipped, better trained military and could spend less on defensive armaments, more on offensive stealth semi kamikazes and pulsejet propelled torpedo boats.
I'm going to have to make a note to build plenty of, corvettes patrol boats and gunships to fend off a horde of these.

But that aside, these are pretty short range, unless you ferry them to an attack location?
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Ok, calling my nation the Pax Republic, the military are the "Peacemakers" etc. enjoy
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As far as I'm concerned, you can have whatever population you want.

A huge population is more of a drain on resources nowadays, anyway. If a Duchy wants to have 1.4 billion people, knock yourself out. You'll have 500 USD per capita GDP and will have to spend 15% of your total GDP just to avoid pandemics of easily preventable disease :D

On the other hand, of course, having 40 000 per capita GDP looks cool untill you want to build a new factory and find there are no qualified specialists anywhere inside your country...or try to face Japanistan in a land conflict.
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