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Bush Admin Moves to Label the pill, IUDs, etc as abortion

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An Outrageous Attempt by the Bush Administration to Undermine Women's Rights



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The Bush administration is up to its old tricks again, quietly putting ideology before science and women's health. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is poised to put in place new barriers to accessing common forms of contraception like birth control pills, emergency contraception and IUDs by labeling them "abortion." These proposed regulations set to be released next week will allow healthcare providers to refuse to provide contraception to women who need it. We can't let them get away with this underhanded move to undermine women's health and that's why I am sounding the alarm.

These rules pose a serious threat to providers and uninsured and low-income Americans seeking care. They could prevent providers of federally-funded family planning services, like Medicaid and Title X, from guaranteeing their patients access to the full range of comprehensive family planning services. They'll also build significant barriers to counseling, education, contraception and preventive health services for those who need it most: low-income and uninsured women and men.
The regulations could even invalidate state laws that currently ensure access to contraception for many Americans. In fact, they describe New York and California's laws requiring prescription drug insurance plans to provide coverage for contraceptives as part of "the problem." These rules would even interfere with New York State law that ensures survivors of sexual assault and rape receive emergency contraception in hospital emergency rooms.

We've seen this kind of ideologically driven move from the Bush administration before. Senator Patty Murray and I went toe to toe with the Bush administration to demand a decision on Plan B by the FDA. We won that fight and we need to win this one too.

When I learned about these proposed rules, I immediately joined with Senator Murray to call on the Bush administration to stop these dangerous plans. I am joining with New York family planning and healthcare advocates to spread the word. Now is the time to raise our voices. I will continue to press HHS and I hope you will join me. I have posted information on how to get involved here.

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This would, I think, also affect group plans coverage of contraceptives, as many employers (and i think even some states have laws on this) will not cover "abortion."

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Here's the original NYT piece:


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Published: July 15, 2008

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration wants to require all recipients of aid under federal health programs to certify that they will not refuse to hire nurses and other providers who object to abortion and even certain types of birth control.
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Under the draft of a proposed rule, hospitals, clinics, researchers and medical schools would have to sign “written certifications” as a prerequisite to getting money under any program run by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Such certification would also be required of state and local governments, forbidden to discriminate, in areas like grant-making, against hospitals and other institutions that have policies against providing abortion.

The proposal, which circulated in the department on Monday, says the new requirement is needed to ensure that federal money does not “support morally coercive or discriminatory practices or policies in violation of federal law.” The administration said Congress had passed a number of laws to ensure that doctors, hospitals and health plans would not be forced to perform abortions.

In the proposal, obtained by The New York Times, the administration says it could cut off federal aid to individuals or entities that discriminate against people who object to abortion on the basis of “religious beliefs or moral convictions.”

The proposal defines abortion as follows: “any of the various procedures — including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action — that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation.”

Mary Jane Gallagher, president of the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association, which represents providers, said, “The proposed definition of abortion is so broad that it would cover many types of birth control, including oral contraceptives and emergency contraception.”

“We worry that under the proposal, contraceptive services would become less available to low-income and uninsured women,” Ms. Gallagher said.

Indeed, among other things the proposal expresses concern about state laws that require hospitals to provide emergency contraception to rape victims who request it.

Nancy Keenan, president of Naral Pro-Choice America, said, “Why on earth is the Bush administration trying to discourage doctors and clinics from providing contraception to women who need it?”

Christina Pearson, a spokeswoman for the department, declined to discuss the draft. “We don’t normally comment on whether we are considering changes in regulations,” she said.
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Time to smack Dubya upside the head with a dictionary. Again.

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Technically, this was posted before, but it was a while ago and immediately contaminated by the loonies who declare this movement to only be anti-dead-babies. So flame on.
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how much longer do we have to put up with this fuck nugget, poster-child for contraception, that I never voted for, and may have cheated to get elected both times in the first place?

and when will the fucking opposition do something about this underhanded, theocratic bullshit!

and is it bad that I am so exhausted by all the shit that has gone on for the last seven years that I feel nothing anymore?
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SirNitram wrote:Technically, this was posted before, but it was a while ago and immediately contaminated by the loonies who declare this movement to only be anti-dead-babies. So flame on.
If I recall correctly it was only me...

Anywho I never said that all attempts to restrict abortion are motivated by a concern for fetal rights, only that the majority are. You came back by saying that the most powerful and influential members are not motivated by fetal rights. Since that claim was only tangentially related to the original disputed claim, I didn't take a position on it.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Technically, this was posted before, but it was a while ago and immediately contaminated by the loonies who declare this movement to only be anti-dead-babies. So flame on.
If I recall correctly it was only me...

Anywho I never said that all attempts to restrict abortion are motivated by a concern for fetal rights, only that the majority are. You came back by saying that the most powerful and influential members are not motivated by fetal rights. Since that claim was only tangentially related to the original disputed claim, I didn't take a position on it.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Technically, this was posted before, but it was a while ago and immediately contaminated by the loonies who declare this movement to only be anti-dead-babies. So flame on.
If I recall correctly it was only me...

Anywho I never said that all attempts to restrict abortion are motivated by a concern for fetal rights, only that the majority are. You came back by saying that the most powerful and influential members are not motivated by fetal rights. Since that claim was only tangentially related to the original disputed claim, I didn't take a position on it.
Except I was always speaking about the movement, thus the desires and the motives of the leaders will define the actions taken, not the majority. In short, you strawmanned and will now bounce right back and complain again.

Fuck. Off.
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SirNitram wrote:Except I was always speaking about the movement, thus the desires and the motives of the leaders will define the actions taken, not the majority.
If that were really true then why does the majority disagree with that position?
In short, you strawmanned and will now bounce right back and
complain again.
No, I didn't strawman, I addressed the issue at hand.
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Look, you trolling peice of shit. I answered that question repeatedly. You're just trying to clutter up another thread because you're a whiny brat who can't accept you had nothing but broken-recording bullshit.

To repeat: They are lied to.

Your best response in the entire sad affair last time was 'Well, they wouldn't believe it'.
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I see, Mr. Zoidberg, that you STILL have a problem understanding the difference between what the leaders of the anti-choice movement are after, and what they let their dupes in the rank-and-file believe, and I believe this has already been pointed out to you before on this board, in at least two other threads.
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So it really is about restricting the woman's choices...

How the hell are medications that alter women's parts so that no fertilization can take place be considered abortion? How can IUDs be considered abortions? And condoms aren't?

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You know, it would be really shit if George W. Bush and his lackeys and cronies didn't know how stuff like pills and IUDs worked. And I seriously think they don't.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:So it really is about restricting the woman's choices...

How the hell are medications that alter women's parts so that no fertilization can take place be considered abortion?
Because if fertilization DOES take place (and it does happen on occassion) the usual result is either to prevent implantation or kill the fertilized egg outright. Both result in the destruction of the fertilized egg post-fertilization which, if you define abortion as anything past conception, by no matter how small a time frame, would make it abortion.
How can IUDs be considered abortions?
IUD's do not prevent fertilization. They prevent implantation. Therefore, under this definition, they are an abortion tool as they kill after conception.
And condoms aren't?
Sperm are not people - they block conception, they do not destroy the cell(s) afterwards.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:You know, it would be really shit if George W. Bush and his lackeys and cronies didn't know how stuff like pills and IUDs worked. And I seriously think they don't.
Actually, from the way this was precisely worded, they DO know how they work (well, not sure about Dubya, but the others, yeah). They are operating from a fundamentally different mindset than you or I.
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Broomstick wrote:
How can IUDs be considered abortions?
IUD's do not prevent fertilization. They prevent implantation. Therefore, under this definition, they are an abortion tool as they kill after conception.
Hormone-extruding IUDs do prevent ovulation.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:If that were really true then why does the majority disagree with that position?
They don't disagree with that position. They just lie to themselves and everybody else to hide how much they hate women.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote: They really are no different from the Taliban. Just clean-shaven and in suits, rather than with big bushy beards and towels on their heads.
Brilliant, Shroom. Pure Genius. I couldn't agree more.
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Master_Baerne wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote: They really are no different from the Taliban. Just clean-shaven and in suits, rather than with big bushy beards and towels on their heads.
Brilliant, Shroom. Pure Genius. I couldn't agree more.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Broomstick wrote:
How can IUDs be considered abortions?
IUD's do not prevent fertilization. They prevent implantation. Therefore, under this definition, they are an abortion tool as they kill after conception.
Hormone-extruding IUDs do prevent ovulation.
They do both, from what I recall.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:You know, it would be really shit if George W. Bush and his lackeys and cronies didn't know how stuff like pills and IUDs worked. And I seriously think they don't.
They don't isn't that obvious, they are willfully ignorant of even basic math, and thing education should only go as far as their version of the bible...

you know the one with jesus the warrior king of america....
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Terralthra wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Broomstick wrote: IUD's do not prevent fertilization. They prevent implantation. Therefore, under this definition, they are an abortion tool as they kill after conception.
Hormone-extruding IUDs do prevent ovulation.
They do both, from what I recall.
I was thinking more along the lines of women I know who use IUD's because they can't tolerate hormonal birth control, and thus they do not use "hormone-extruding" IUD's. The bias of personal anecdote showing, I suppose.

Regardless, either type would be objectionable to these wankjobs.
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'Tis the hallmark of the maladministration and its cheerleaders —not only stupid but DAMN PROUD to be.
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No shit, I still want a photoshoped Jesus/Conan shirt/poster to make fun of these guys though....
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