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We knew the campaign would go negative, but so soon?

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Politico Story

It's long, so I'll just post an excerpt.
n a year when polls show an easy victory for a generic Democratic candidate, McCain has until now been loathe to employ the tack many strategists see as essential and which anonymous e-mailers and commenters with no apparent links to his campaign have been practicing since last summer: hitting Obama not on his record or his platform, but on his values and person.

The Democrat’s Achilles’ heel in this model is an inchoate sense among some voters that the new arrival on the national stage with the unusual biography—and who’s the first black nominee from either party—isn’t American enough.

Prior to Obama’s trip overseas, though, McCain had instead employed, without appreciable effect, a more conventional critique of his opponent as an ordinary politician, a “flip-flopper,” and, of course, a liberal.

On Saturday, though, McCain released a new television advertisement in which the announcer says that on his trip, Obama “made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras.”

"John McCain is always there for our troops," adds the announcer, before concluding with the campaign’s new slogan: “McCain, country first.”

The slogan’s inverse implication for his opponent was made clear earlier in the week, when McCain accused Obama of placing the his political ambitions before the national interest.
So much for the 'respectful campaign', eh John? :roll:
Though I will say that if McCain's going negative so early, it's either indicative of some really scary internal polling numbers that the campaign feels the need to counter now, or simply that Grumpy McSame's lost his temper and is lashing out.

The very real risk in going negative so early is that such campaigns hurt both sides and the trick is to make sure that it hurts your opponent more.
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It's great that Biff McCain learned from the successful stratagems of the Klinton Klan Kampaign. I mean, Hillery really showed us... she showed us so hard! :lol:

But I just hope Maverick McCain crashes and burns. Just like Hillery, and despite the Liberal Media going on about how the race is close, neck and neck, and all that.
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I think the problem here is that politicians aren't realizing how easy it is for people to research the claims made in attack ads.

McCain's attacks come off as petty, dishonest, and immature. And anyone with an internet connection and two minutes to waste can see that they're wrong.
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That really depends on how many common Americans have an internet connection and two minutes to waste. We savvy intertube peoples are not representative of the folks who voted Shrubya in twice :P
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:I think the problem here is that politicians aren't realizing how easy it is for people to research the claims made in attack ads.

McCain's attacks come off as petty, dishonest, and immature. And anyone with an internet connection and two minutes to waste can see that they're wrong.
But McCain already admitted he doesn't know anything about computers. Why would he care what people on the internet think? :lol: :lol:
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General Zod wrote:But McCain already admitted he doesn't know anything about computers. Why would he care what people on the internet think? :lol: :lol:
Most of whom are probably foreigners or, worse, democrats anyway.
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Glocksman wrote:Politico Story

It's long, so I'll just post an excerpt.
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On Saturday, though, McCain released a new television advertisement in which the announcer says that on his trip, Obama “made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras.”

"John McCain is always there for our troops," adds the announcer, before concluding with the campaign’s new slogan: “McCain, country first.”

The slogan’s inverse implication for his opponent was made clear earlier in the week, when McCain accused Obama of placing the his political ambitions before the national interest.
So much for the 'respectful campaign', eh John? :roll:
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You missed the best part and so did the writer.
This was covered on the Huffingpost but I'll repost it here.
Let me say this nice and slow.

In the commercial in question, those people in the gym? THOSE ARE SOLDIERS!

Yes that's right, in the commercial McCain is running, it features footage of him visiting soldiers and attacks him for not visiting soldiers.

There is only one response for this
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This shouldn't surprise anyone. McCain has literally nothing to run on. He can try being jingoistic, but the GOP brand and the Iraq war are so unpopular it will lose him the election. He can try talking about economics, but he continually inserts his foot. And that's really it. He's got nothing else.

So McCain will throw hissy fits and tantrums and stamp his feet about every tiny thing. He'll have speeches in Der Sausage House while Obama speaks in Berlin. He'll go to Canada to fundraise then decry Obama for speaking in another country.

And so it will go. He's an angry, bitter little man who believes he's entitled, and now this young black punk is challenging him.
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Mr Bean wrote:In the commercial in question, those people in the gym? THOSE ARE SOLDIERS!

Yes that's right, in the commercial McCain is running, it features footage of him visiting soldiers and attacks him for not visiting soldiers.
Here is a link to that article, for anyone who is interested.
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The obvious low blow response is to ask McCain, publicly, why he denies the bravery of the American servicemen in that video by claiming that they are not soldiers.
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Here's an interesting bit uncovered in this.

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John McCain's current message is heavily focused on Obama's national security credentials, his canceled troop visit in German, and in general on pushing back against the wave of good press and good images that came out of Obama's trip.

But McCain's television advertising campaign doesn't seem to be matching that message.

Both his first foreign policy attack, released at the beginning of Obama's trip, and the hard-hitting latest spot, appear to be directed almost entirely at the media and insiders.

The new ad has been aired in the Washington, D.C. and Denver, Evan Tracey, who tracks media buys at the Campaign Media Intelligence Group, told Politico.

"They’re probably one part ads and one part press release," he said of the two spots. "I don’t think these are in any part cornerstones to his message these days – I think they’re really designed to get in the press. They’re airing them just enough so they can put their hands on the Bible and say they’re airing them."

A McCain spokesman didn't respond immediately to an inquiry on the size of the buy, and Jonathan Martin reported that they wouldn't release details of the buy Saturday.

In contrast, a domestic-policy focused attack on Obama -- which went so far as to to blame the Democrat for rising gas prices -- is "a heavy hitter in McCain's rotation," on air in a core of battleground states, Tracey said.

Nonetheless, another shot, via press release, at Obama's Landstuhl trip today suggests that -- even if these attacks aren't central to McCain's televised message in the battleground states, they are at the core of the message the candidate and his aides are seeking to debate in the media.
Air an ad in two districts with political media ties, simply to ensure the media talks it up and makes a fuss about it. Cheap and effective, and of course, tries to steer the conversation into the direction of 'Why won't Obama visit the troops?'
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:I think the problem here is that politicians aren't realizing how easy it is for people to research the claims made in attack ads.

McCain's attacks come off as petty, dishonest, and immature. And anyone with an internet connection and two minutes to waste can see that they're wrong.
The average American will NOT take those two minute to look up a damn thing, they'll just suck it up like it's the word of god. And McCain knows it.
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SirNitram wrote:This shouldn't surprise anyone. McCain has literally nothing to run on.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Ignoring his ties to Exelon, Obama's position on nuclear power isn't as good as McCain's. McCain supports voucher schools, which might be a winning issue.
He can try being jingoistic, but the GOP brand and the Iraq war are so unpopular it will lose him the election. He can try talking about economics, but he continually inserts his foot. And that's really it. He's got nothing else.
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I seriously doubt that there is any way McCain can win this election, especially when Obama is able to force McCain to defend Virginia, North Carolina, and the west.
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Except McCain refuses to touch nuclear power(Favoring instead talking on and on and on about drilling and how it'll provide a 'psychological' boost when it comes to energy), and hasn't brought up vouchers at all.

I'd argue that his actual statements make it clear his position on nukes isn't better than Obama's. And vouchers? When the hell has that won an election?
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Mr Bean wrote:[THOSE ARE SOLDIERS![/b]

Yes that's right, in the commercial McCain is running, it features footage of him visiting soldiers and attacks him for not visiting soldiers.
Epic fail. Do you have a good news source for that information- I want to show it to some people.
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Pulp Hero wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:[THOSE ARE SOLDIERS![/b]

Yes that's right, in the commercial McCain is running, it features footage of him visiting soldiers and attacks him for not visiting soldiers.
Epic fail. Do you have a good news source for that information- I want to show it to some people.
Sure, the video of Obama shooting hoops is DoD footage shot by an army videographer:

Here it is, with a little stuff at the beginning so you can see the context.

You'll notice that the McCain ad that shows him shooting the basket is so blurred, cropped, and colorized as to make the background nearly indecipherable. The reason is that in this original footage it's pretty goddamn easy to see all the troops all over the place.

Plus, the rest of the ad is factually incorrect too--Obama went to meet wounded troops earlier in his visit, specifically did not invite or even tell the press corps (MSNBC reporters say they verified the trip later with Military people, not Obama staff) and chose not to visit Rammstein base after the Pentagon warned against bringing the military advisor in his entourage he was now a political figure, and that might politicize the troops, which nobody wanted.

So you have one distortion and one flat-out lie.
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If I see McCain or anyone from his campaign on my campus, I think I'll just borrow MrBean's question. It should at least land me on the front page of the college paper. Have to avoid those taser armed security guards though.
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Why is McCain going up in the polls?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... a-225.html

I guess some people are really buying that attack ad, or the "Drawing large crowds = Nazi" thing. That actually makes me pretty disappointed.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:Why is McCain going up in the polls?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... a-225.html

I guess some people are really buying that attack ad, or the "Drawing large crowds = Nazi" thing. That actually makes me pretty disappointed.
You are so young. You are capable of being disappointed. I am only 21 (almost 22) and this does not shock me in the least. For fuck's sake, the electorate voted for bush a second time... It is unfathomably stupid. Uninformed voters make up the majority of the population, and I have seen people defend the situation as if it is somehow Elitist to thing that people should know about the issues they are voting on. It is fucking disgusting, populist bullshit.
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Uh, forgive me for injecting sanity, but a single poll that is outside the average can be explained as dozens of things that don't add up to 'McCain is rising on this shit?'. The graph tracking the poll average is a more reliable source. Also, he's only rising if you treat the Gallup poll(With a highly questionable Likely Voter model, which doesn't count those who are part of Obama's volunteer organization but who haven't voted before) as equal to all other polls; it's more reliable to look at trends in a single poll, as they'll use the same methodolgy and sample types.
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SirNitram wrote:Uh, forgive me for injecting sanity, but a single poll that is outside the average can be explained as dozens of things that don't add up to 'McCain is rising on this shit?'. The graph tracking the poll average is a more reliable source. Also, he's only rising if you treat the Gallup poll(With a highly questionable Likely Voter model, which doesn't count those who are part of Obama's volunteer organization but who haven't voted before) as equal to all other polls; it's more reliable to look at trends in a single poll, as they'll use the same methodolgy and sample types.
Very very true. On the other hand... I am disgusted by our political discourse in general.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Uh, forgive me for injecting sanity, but a single poll that is outside the average can be explained as dozens of things that don't add up to 'McCain is rising on this shit?'. The graph tracking the poll average is a more reliable source. Also, he's only rising if you treat the Gallup poll(With a highly questionable Likely Voter model, which doesn't count those who are part of Obama's volunteer organization but who haven't voted before) as equal to all other polls; it's more reliable to look at trends in a single poll, as they'll use the same methodolgy and sample types.
Very very true. On the other hand... I am disgusted by our political discourse in general.
Gee, wonder why..
On the other hand, I continued, I could cite four or five actions -- not speeches -- that John McCain has taken that elicit my admiration, even my awe. First, of course, is his decision as a Vietnam prisoner of war to refuse freedom out of concern that he would be exploited for propaganda purposes. To paraphrase what Kipling said about Gunga Din, John McCain is a better man than most.

But I would not stop there. I would include campaign finance reform, which infuriated so many in his own party; opposition to earmarks, which won him no friends; his politically imprudent opposition to the Medicare prescription drug bill (Medicare has about $35 trillion in unfunded obligations); and, last but not least, his very early call for additional troops in Iraq. His was a lonely position -- virtually suicidal for an all-but-certain presidential candidate and no help when his campaign nearly expired last summer. In all these cases, McCain stuck to his guns.
The media loves this guy. They bring him donuts, for gods sake.
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