Project: "EU-fic"

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-07-29 02:52pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Darth Hoth wrote:Some minor amendments could perhaps be put in, to cover such things as invented character names, but overall, certainly.
What's wrong with his names?

Some of them are references to characters from other fictional settings, but I don't actually have a problem with that. Doctor Robotnik would so be one of the Emperor's lackeys.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-07-29 02:53pm

References are fine, it doesn't mean they actually ARE the characters from other universes. Not to mention its not like we're selling this, so we don't owe anything to other franchise's intellectual property.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 02:59pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:What's wrong with his names?

Well, that is more me preferring that we introduce as few "innovations" as possible in the main timeline, and consequently refrain from inventing first names for characters that canonically has none, from inventing new characters, et cetera.

Agreed in general. A historical outline can probably deal with this, and everything can be filled in piecemeal (it does not have to be comprehensive from the outset, I don't want this running aground with us trying to justify and alter to each of our personal specifications, every quest between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back).

Of course; I was speaking in the wider context of the project. It should definitely not be the first priority to fill every little hole, but merely the important elements.

As I said, if this actually works, I have my own proposal for re-writing the prequels that I'd like to be compatible. I'd like to limit our prequel, Clone Wars referencing to what we had basically before AOTC and even TPM came out. What we saw in the recent EU was really derivative. I think we can all assume that there were proto-Stormtroopers from that era with similar armor, that there were Jedi Generals, that there were Venator-class Star Destroyer, Actis interceptors, etc. The tech and fact legacy should retain, but avoid plot referencing, so we can go back and clean it up in detail.

A "PrequelFic"? Certainly an interesting challenge. I have no objections to making room for this; let us just treat our timeline as the pre-prequel EU writers were required to do with theirs, then, leaving only vague allusions to the conflict and hinting at its (preferably massive) scale and psychological impact.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 03:00pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:References are fine, it doesn't mean they actually ARE the characters from other universes. Not to mention its not like we're selling this, so we don't owe anything to other franchise's intellectual property.

To me, it does detract from the "feeling" of SW if it is overdone, but small cameos or allusions should not be a problem.

Maxentius · Post by **Maxentius** » 2008-07-29 03:03pm

Darth Hoth wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:References are fine, it doesn't mean they actually ARE the characters from other universes. Not to mention its not like we're selling this, so we don't owe anything to other franchise's intellectual property.
To me, it does detract from the "feeling" of SW if it is overdone, but small cameos or allusions should not be a problem.

Of course. Besides, what fun is it if there aren't a few Admirals that just so happen to share the lot of our real names?

Anywho, I'm still hot on a group brainstorming session. Preferably in real time.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-07-29 03:07pm

Maxentius wrote: Of course. Besides, what fun is it if there aren't a few Admirals that just so happen to share the lot of our real names?

Anywho, I'm still hot on a group brainstorming session. Preferably in real time.

I agree, cameos are fine and in good fun.

What would you suggest as the preferable real time way?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-07-29 03:08pm

Darth Hoth wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:What's wrong with his names?
Well, that is more me preferring that we introduce as few "innovations" as possible in the main timeline, and consequently refrain from inventing first names for characters that canonically has none, from inventing new characters, et cetera.

Actually, I'm considering TNOiP and TNOaW our in-universe sources, comparable to the in-universe equivalents of the Imperial Sourcebook, etc. His out-of-universe works would be for our guidelines ourselves, but not be "in" the universe. Aside from our stories and alterations, they are the only intrusion I'd suggest for the canon.

Darth Hoth wrote:
As I said, if this actually works, I have my own proposal for re-writing the prequels that I'd like to be compatible. I'd like to limit our prequel, Clone Wars referencing to what we had basically before AOTC and even TPM came out. What we saw in the recent EU was really derivative. I think we can all assume that there were proto-Stormtroopers from that era with similar armor, that there were Jedi Generals, that there were Venator-class Star Destroyer, Actis interceptors, etc. The tech and fact legacy should retain, but avoid plot referencing, so we can go back and clean it up in detail.
A "PrequelFic"? Certainly an interesting challenge. I have no objections to making room for this; let us just treat our timeline as the pre-prequel EU writers were required to do with theirs, then, leaving only vague allusions to the conflict and hinting at its (preferably massive) scale and psychological impact.

Right, this is exactly where I was going.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 03:13pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Actually, I'm considering TNOiP and TNOaW our in-universe sources, comparable to the in-universe equivalents of the Imperial Sourcebook, etc. His out-of-universe works would be for our guidelines ourselves, but not be "in" the universe. Aside from our stories and alterations, they are the only intrusion I'd suggest for the canon.

That sounds good, perhaps with some very slight editing for names et cetera, but nothing major. I certainly have no objections to his works as such.

Right, this is exactly where I was going.

That should be it, then. Are there any objections, fellow brainstormers?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-07-29 03:14pm

Original creations, even original characters I don't have a problem with. I'm going to write about the AT-BT and you're going to like it. But we can (and should) arrive at a consensus before approving or rejecting original material. "Augustus" Palpatine as an example of something we (or at least I) would probably reject.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-07-29 03:17pm

Darth Hoth wrote: That should be it, then. Are there any objections, fellow brainstormers?

I'm fine with having to skip over the prequel era history.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 03:21pm

Darth Raptor wrote:Original creations, even original characters I don't have a problem with. I'm going to write about the AT-BT and you're going to like it. But we can (and should) arrive at a consensus before approving or rejecting original material. "Augustus" Palpatine as an example of something we (or at least I) would probably reject.

I originally meant this thread to be for gauging the interest and attracting collaborators; we can and should set up other mechanisms for more specific discussion. My time is a little erratic, so I might perhaps not favour real-time chat like some others, though; Havokeff mentioned something about a user group that sounded interesting. If we can get a subforum, we shall not have to clog the main forums, and also preserve our ideas from the readers till finished products are ready, so we do not spoil their read.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-07-29 03:24pm

Did you mean to reply to Maxentius?

Darth Hoth wrote:That should be it, then. Are there any objections, fellow brainstormers?

So long as we can still use the gear (the ships especially), not at all. No reason to throw out the Saxton with the Lucas.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 03:32pm

No; the reply was meant more generally for the discussion as it becomes more specific. In this thread, we should set up the major concepts, but not the smaller guidelines; let us save that for later, when we have more time, space, and organisation.

Darth Raptor wrote:So long as we can still use the gear (the ships especially), not at all. No reason to throw out the Saxton with the Lucas.

Indeed, none at all. On the contrary, I would like to see some appearances of that superheavy walker he dug up from the sketchbooks...

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-07-29 03:39pm

Darth Hoth wrote:Indeed, none at all. On the contrary, I would like to see some appearances of that superheavy walker he dug up from the sketchbooks...

*seismic footfall*

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-07-29 03:49pm

Okay, so how about I send off an appeal to Mike. I don't know if restricted subforums are possible, so this might be a usergroup. Either way, I guess we're going to try to restrict membership to actual participants, but anyone is welcome.

EDIT: I sent a brief message to Mike:

Recently, several thread discussions have snowballed a general interest by PSW regulars and others in a large-scale, collaborative Star Wars alt-hist scenario and multiple story project (thread on-going here). It would be strictly OT-canon in conception and retain most of the inter-OT EU and post-ROTJ, pre-NJO EU as semi-official with an eye toward modifying and rationalizing the events and historical pace of the era, and replacing the NJO and post-NJO EU with a speculative EU less derivative, sci-fi chi, unrealistic, and contrived. In the long-term a PT and PT-EU project is also envisioned. We invite the opportunity for your patronage, and we see the need for a usergroup or other mechanism to plan and organize the project. All comers welcome. Please return your thoughts.

Hope this meets specifications.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 03:56pm

Darth Raptor wrote:
Darth Hoth wrote:Indeed, none at all. On the contrary, I would like to see some appearances of that superheavy walker he dug up from the sketchbooks...
*seismic footfall*

How could I miss that? Fire away, then!

TACTICAL ARMOUR COMMAND

- "Peace is our profession"

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-07-29 03:58pm

Actually, the Imperial High Command's motto is "Peace is our profession" (as per the most recent chapter of TNOiP, The Armed Forces of the Imperium). Now for recruiting. Who outside of PSW regulars would be interested? Surely some of the SW fanfic authors, OSF, old ASVSers, and the military science buffs would be interested/able to contribute. This is right up Galvatron's alley.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 04:00pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Okay, so how about I send off an appeal to Mike. I don't know if restricted subforums are possible, so this might be a usergroup. Either way, I guess we're going to try to restrict membership to actual participants, but anyone is welcome.

EDIT: I sent a brief message to Mike:

Recently, several thread discussions have snowballed a general interest by PSW regulars and others in a large-scale, collaborative Star Wars alt-hist scenario and multiple story project (thread on-going here). It would be strictly OT-canon in conception and retain most of the inter-OT EU and post-ROTJ, pre-NJO EU as semi-official with an eye toward modifying and rationalizing the events and historical pace of the era, and replacing the NJO and post-NJO EU with a speculative EU less derivative, sci-fi chi, unrealistic, and contrived. In the long-term a PT and PT-EU project is also envisioned. We invite the opportunity for your patronage, and we see the need for a usergroup or other mechanism to plan and organize the project. All comers welcome. Please return your thoughts.
Hope this meets specifications.

You have my thanks and full support for the sending and phrasing of the message. I hope that Mike will like the idea as well.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-07-29 04:03pm

We need to start compiling existing speculation and such. One of the previous threads is located here ("SW Fan Continuity After TUF"). Wasn't there one in PSW as well as fanfics?

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 04:04pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Actually, the Imperial High Command's motto is "Peace is our profession" (as per the most recent chapter of TNOiP, The Armed Forces of the Imperium). Now for recruiting. Who outside of PSW regulars would be interested? Surely some of the SW fanfic authors, OSF, old ASVSers, and the military science buffs would be interested/able to contribute.

It is? Chalk that up to me reading that one late, then. But that is definitely something we should keep.

Could we recruit Shep? I looked up Imperial Phoenix a few days ago, and it was not bad at all. The same goes for his DrakaFic stories.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 04:06pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:We need to start compiling existing speculation and such. One of the previous threads is located here ("SW Fan Continuity After TUF"). Wasn't there one in PSW as well as fanfics?

I believe that would be this one ("EU Extra").

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-07-29 04:06pm

Shep and I have had our differences, but they're as much my youthful zeal and indiscretion as they were anything to do with him. I certainly am willing to work with him, and think he's become very professional in his documentation and knowledge within his sphere of expertise. I hope he feels the same and would contribute, even as an occasional tech/mil sci adviser.

I think NecronLord has a lot to offer, his existing AU fic is quite impressive and rationally/professionally done.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2008-07-29 04:15pm

Count me in. I would very much like to see a better EU.

Darth Hoth · Post by **Darth Hoth** » 2008-07-29 04:18pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Shep and I have had our differences, but they're as much my youthful zeal and indiscretion as they were anything to do with him. I certainly am willing to work with him, and think he's become very professional in his documentation and knowledge within his sphere of expertise. I hope he feels the same and would contribute, even as an occasional tech/mil sci adviser.

His knowledge on those matters would be useful, to say the least, even better if he can be persuaded to write actual stories as well.

I think NecronLord has a lot to offer, his existing AU fic is quite impressive and rationally/professionally done.

Link, please?

Coiler wrote:Count me in. I would very much like to see a better EU.

Welcome aboard, then.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2008-07-29 04:24pm

Yeah, I'd like to think we could all refrain from ruining this with petty, personal bullshit. We'd be seeking his council on tanks, not moral philosophy. Shep definitely knows his stuff. I second the motion to recruit NecronLord.

I don't know if they'd be interested or even available, but Brother-Captain Gaius, Darth Fanboy, Duchess of Zeon, Eleventh Century Remnant, Ford Prefect, Imperial Overlord, phongn and Stark are all worth hitting up.