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One of the classic dreams of aviation is to rise into the air with a flying machine strapped to your back. The jetpack dream is so iconic that it has shown up in movies ranging from "Thunderball" to "The Rocketeer" - and so elusive that it has spawned a book about high-tech failures titled "Where's My Jetpack?"

Over the years, several ventures have tried to realize the jetpack dream - and now a New Zealand inventor is taking the wraps off a secret decade-long effort that he hopes will bring the dream to a sky near you.

Today's unveiling of the Martin Jetpack is one of the marquee events at the Experimental Aircraft Association's AirVenture, a weeklong air show that is drawing hundreds of thousands of people - and about 10,000 airplanes - to Oshkosh, Wis.

Through next weekend, Oshkosh will serve as a mecca for the aviation world's dreamers and builders. Many of the private planes parked in the fields surrounding the town's airport were built by their owners. The hundreds of events on this week's schedule range from quiet seminars on aircraft maintenance to ear-splitting flyovers of military jets.

The show focuses on the experimental side of aviation - and that makes Oshkosh the perfect place for Glenn Martin to unveil his jetpack. "This is an experimental aircraft with a big 'E,'" he told me.

Whether the Martin Jetpack technically qualifies as a jetpack is debatable. It's not the type of rocket belt that James Bond wore in "Thunderball," and it's not anything like the jet-powered, wearable wing that a Swiss daredevil cranked up to 186 mph in May. As far as the Federal Aviation Administration is concerned, what Martin has is an experimental ultralight airplane, equipped with a gas-powered, V-4 piston engine and two ducted fans that provide the lift.

That puts it in a class with several other fan-powered lifters, including Trek Aerospace's Springtail, Urban Aeronautics' X-Hawk and even Moller International's flying-car prototype. But Martin believes his 250-pound ultralight, initially priced at $100,000, stands the best chance of going commercial. He sees it as a recreational sport vehicle that just might be in the right price range for affluent thrill-seekers.

"I've made a Jet Ski for the sky," he said.

Does it really fly? Definitely. This sneak-preview video shows the Martin Jetpack in action, in the backyard of Martin's host in Fond du Lac, Wis. Other videos show pilots tooling around a test field, flying as high as 6 feet off the ground. Two team members are hanging onto handles attached to the prototype to keep the pilot at that height, for safety reasons.

"One or two have cheated, you know?" Martin said. "It's very hard to hold people back."

One of the test pilots was Martin's wife, Vanessa.

"It was really an exciting experience, because at the time it was just a prototype. It was very loud, very noisy, very hot. It was like a beast that roars," she told me. "But once you throttle up, you feel it bite, and you leave the ground, and there's this feeling of floating and freedom - you become quite overwhelmed."

Theoretically, the jetpack can fly for 30 minutes, and rise to a height of 8,000 feet. But Glenn Martin said the flight envelope will be carefully tested over the coming months. Martin is opening the order book as of today, and said 10 to 20 vehicles could be sold by the time next year's Oshkosh air show rolls around.

Jetpack buyers will be required to go through about 15 hours of flight training as well as a safety screening. "If for some reason they're not coordinated enough, we'll send them their money back and give it to the next person in the queue," Martin said.

As an added safety measure, each jetpack is equipped with a ballistic parachute.

If you do buy a jetpack - whether it's Martin's or another brand - don't expect to take it to work anytime soon: The FAA regulations for ultralight aircraft rule out that kind of point-to-point travel, Martin said. But if regulators ever adopt a NASA-inspired scheme for a "highway in the sky," that could set more liberal rules of the road for jetpack commuters as well as flying cars, he added.

Jetpack aficionados might well wonder whether Martin has enough technical competence to make his venture fly. After all, his formal background is in pharmaceutical sales and biotech rather than engineering. But the 48-year-old said he's been tinkering on the jetpack concept ever since he was a college student.

"I had my day job going on, as well as what some people called my secret night job," he said.

In 1998, he received enough venture-capital backing to devote full time to Martin Aircraft Co., and today he has a staff of 12 and a posse of corporate partners in New Zealand.

Over the past decade, Martin kept his venture swathed in secrecy - to the point that his teenage son couldn't tell his schoolmates how cool Dad's job was. Martin explained that he was trying to avoid the fate of an earlier pair of aviation tinkerers, the Wright brothers, who found themselves embroiled in years of patent battles.

"If`you read the Wright brothers' diaries, it's almost cliche, isn't it?" Martin said.

Today, Martin feels secure about his patents - and he feels he has a product he can sell. What do you think? Is Martin's price point too high? Is his track record too scanty? Or will this venture finally answer the decades-old question, "Where's my jetpack?" Feel free to add your comments below.

For further discussion of jetpack setbacks, check out my list of failed flights of fancy, as well as my colleague John Schoen's report about futurism's flawed forecasts. And stay tuned for more from the EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh.

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30 minutes? That's incredible, considering that earlier jetpacks could barely stand a whole minute.
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Zixinus wrote:30 minutes? That's incredible, considering that earlier jetpacks could barely stand a whole minute.
It isn't a "jetpack" at all.
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Zixinus wrote:30 minutes? That's incredible, considering that earlier jetpacks could barely stand a whole minute.
It isn't a "jetpack" at all.
Christ you love picking nits. Early jetpacks could only fly a minute. This one accomplishes far more. Who cares if its a jetpack, a rocket pack, or a ducted fan-pack?

People will still CALL it a jetpack.
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Edit: First disposable quarter-mil I get, I'm buying one of these.
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nickolay1 wrote:
Zixinus wrote:30 minutes? That's incredible, considering that earlier jetpacks could barely stand a whole minute.
It isn't a "jetpack" at all.
Christ you love picking nits. Early jetpacks could only fly a minute. This one accomplishes far more. Who cares if its a jetpack, a rocket pack, or a ducted fan-pack?

People will still CALL it a jetpack.
And they wouldn't necessarily be wrong; after all the thrust is still a jet of high-speed exhaust air keeping you aloft. Even if it isn't a jet or turbojet engine creating it.
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Kanastrous wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:
nickolay1 wrote: It isn't a "jetpack" at all.
Christ you love picking nits. Early jetpacks could only fly a minute. This one accomplishes far more. Who cares if its a jetpack, a rocket pack, or a ducted fan-pack?

People will still CALL it a jetpack.
And they wouldn't necessarily be wrong; after all the thrust is still a jet of high-speed exhaust air keeping you aloft. Even if it isn't a jet or turbojet engine creating it.
A normal helicopter shits all over this as a way of flying, so by your logic i can slap the word 'jetpack!' on the side of an Apache and have made a major technological breakthrough in the field of jetpacks.

This isnt as massive an advance as it isnt a proper jetpack. There are things like the http://www.acecraftusa.com/photos.html GEN H-4 which do the same thing as this only with longer endurance and for a vastly reduced price. Just because this looks cosmetically like a jetpack than the GEN H-4 doesnt make it more like a jetpack really. It would be like someone saying "I've made artficial gravity!" when they had just used some magnets.
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It isn't a "jetpack" at all.
Considering that the original definition lies in sci-fi, where it would be more like "rocket pack", yeah.

But if you are being literal, there IS a pack that use a scram jet engine to work. I think there was a topic on him.

Oh, yeah. JET-MAN! Dunadunadunaduna, JET-MAN, dunadunaduna don don don don.

He was way cooler and he did, in fact, had a jet-pack. Granted, it had only niché uses at best.

From what I know, its impossible and unwise to cram any more power into a back-portable rocket to last for more then a minute without the use of nuclear power.

Anyway, this is quite awesome still. 30 minutes of flight can have actual practical uses, depending on how fast the refueling process is and how destructive is the fume. I can foresee firefighters using this to access roofs.
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Steel wrote:
A normal helicopter shits all over this as a way of flying, so by your logic i can slap the word 'jetpack!' on the side of an Apache and have made a major technological breakthrough in the field of jetpacks.
Not unless you redefine a helicopter as 'something you strap on your back,' like a "pack."
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Zixinus wrote:Anyway, this is quite awesome still. 30 minutes of flight can have actual practical uses, depending on how fast the refueling process is and how destructive is the fume. I can foresee firefighters using this to access roofs.
At $100,000 per unit with likely no reserve lift capacity beyond that needed to carry a person and parachute? Their insurers would probably shit solid gold bricks at the thought of getting one of those that close to a roof that's presently on fire, or will be on fire in the near future.
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I imagine this coud be used for remote reconnaissance or rescue of injured campers/hikers/climbers. Military insertion is probably out of the question.
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Zixinus wrote: But if you are being literal, there IS a pack that use a scram jet engine to work. I think there was a topic on him.
A scramjet pack?

Holy shit.

How do you accelerate a single person wearing the pack, to scramjet velocities?
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Kanastrous wrote:
Zixinus wrote: But if you are being literal, there IS a pack that use a scram jet engine to work. I think there was a topic on him.
A scramjet pack?

Holy shit.

How do you accelerate a single person wearing the pack, to scramjet velocities?
...gradually?

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Zixinus wrote: But if you are being literal, there IS a pack that use a scram jet engine to work. I think there was a topic on him.
A mere turbojet.
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Yeah, much as I *want* to believe in wearable scramjets...

...I don't.
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Kanastrous wrote:Today's unveiling of the Martin Jetpack is one of the marquee events at the Experimental Aircraft Association's AirVenture, a weeklong air show that is drawing hundreds of thousands of people - and about 10,000 airplanes - to Oshkosh, Wis.
>sigh< Another year that I miss Oshkosh. I haven't been to Aviation Mecca since 1997. :(

Wonder if Rutan is bringing White Knight 2 to Oshkosh this year? Nevermind, I digress...
As far as the Federal Aviation Administration is concerned, what Martin has is an experimental ultralight airplane
>cough< Ultralights are legally NOT airplanes - they're "vehicles". He has an ultralight vehicle.

A 250lb backpack? 114 kg? How the hell do you stand upright wearing that? I sure hope it's got VTOL capability because I don't see running for take off or landing with that much weight.
initially priced at $100,000
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For that price I can get a whole airplane. Hell, I think I can buy three Cessna 150's for that much money! Toy for the wealthy, at best.
He sees it as a recreational sport vehicle that just might be in the right price range for affluent thrill-seekers.
Maybe. There's a lot of other thrills you can buy for less.
"It was really an exciting experience, because at the time it was just a prototype. It was very loud, very noisy, very hot. It was like a beast that roars," she told me. "But once you throttle up, you feel it bite, and you leave the ground, and there's this feeling of floating and freedom - you become quite overwhelmed."
Yeah, that's how people become addicted to flying...
As an added safety measure, each jetpack is equipped with a ballistic parachute.
That sort of makes me feel better about this....
If you do buy a jetpack - whether it's Martin's or another brand - don't expect to take it to work anytime soon: The FAA regulations for ultralight aircraft rule out that kind of point-to-point travel, Martin said.
Well, if you work in a rural area you might be able to do it....
CaptainChewbacca wrote:I imagine this coud be used for remote reconnaissance or rescue of injured campers/hikers/climbers. Military insertion is probably out of the question.
You can't use it for rescue. it doesn't have the lift capacity. Would be fucking loud for military insertion - I don't see where it would be superior to parachutes, frankly.
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A 250lb backpack? 114 kg? How the hell do you stand upright wearing that? I sure hope it's got VTOL capability because I don't see running for take off or landing with that much weight.
If its like other ones I've seen, its capable of standing free at wearable height without a passenger in it. Like a flying hatrack. Running WOULD be out of the question, though.
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A 250lb backpack? 114 kg? How the hell do you stand upright wearing that? I sure hope it's got VTOL capability because I don't see running for take off or landing with that much weight.
If its like other ones I've seen, its capable of standing free at wearable height without a passenger in it. Like a flying hatrack. Running WOULD be out of the question, though.
A humiliating waddle might be possible, though.
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Not for me - that's about 160% of my weight. Even a waddle would probably end in a humiliating squash in my cash.

I'd go for a powered parasail, first - I can actually carry the damn backpack (it's about 50% of my weight), and if the engine quits your parachute is already deployed.
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Well, given that the Mythbusters almost managed to get off the ground with only $10,000 to work with, I don't find the possibility of this kind of thing to be a big shock - though I do think that it is very nearly as cool as the literal wearable jetpack that everyone else has been mentioning.
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A mere turbojet.
Still a jet.
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When there's a lightweight nulcear powered strap on pack that provides extended flight capability via compressed air thrust and dynamic wing configurations providing wicked maneuverability...then I might be impressed.

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nickolay1 wrote:
Zixinus wrote: But if you are being literal, there IS a pack that use a scram jet engine to work. I think there was a topic on him.
A mere turbojet.
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Saw a video of this actually being flown.

The time limit for flight is partly due to FAA fuel restrictions on ultralights - they are limited to 5 gallons of fuel total. In which case 30 minutes of flight using two turbines is actually pretty damn good - assuming they are abiding by the rules. As a practical matter, many ultralights carry a little more fuel than strictly legal.

Once this exceeds the ultralight limits it gets WAY more complicated - at that point you'd need a pilot's license with multi-engine and high performance sign-offs.

It does work, in that the pilot leaves the ground, but they do want to restrict how high people go at first. I view this as a good eye towards safety, but it also makes me wonder how stable it is in flight.

It's also loud as fuck.
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