space battle

SWvST: the subject of the main site.

Moderator: Vympel

Enforcer Talen
Warlock
Posts: 10285
Joined: 2002-07-05 02:28am
Location: Boston
Contact:

space battle

Post by Enforcer Talen »

could vader and his fleet from esb take on all of star fleet?
Image
This day is Fantastic!
Myers Briggs: ENTJ
Political Compass: -3/-6
DOOMer WoW
"I really hate it when the guy you were pegging as Mr. Worst Case starts saying, "Oh, I was wrong, it's going to be much worse." " - Adrian Laguna
User avatar
Crown
NARF
Posts: 10615
Joined: 2002-07-11 11:45am
Location: In Transit ...

Post by Crown »

I will go with a yes on this one. We are talking about a SSD, and exactly how many ISD were there?
Image
Η ζωή, η ζωή εδω τελειώνει!
"Science is one cold-hearted bitch with a 14" strap-on" - Masuka 'Dexter'
"Angela is not the woman you think she is Gabriel, she's done terrible things"
"So have I, and I'm going to do them all to you." - Sylar to Arthur 'Heroes'
User avatar
Darth Garden Gnome
Official SD.Net Lawn Ornament
Posts: 6029
Joined: 2002-07-08 02:35am
Location: Some where near a mailbox

Post by Darth Garden Gnome »

I think 6. Plus fighters, bombers, and gunboats. Star Fleet loses badly.
Leader of the Secret Gnome Revolution
consequences
Homicidal Maniac
Posts: 6964
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:06pm

Post by consequences »

Up to twenty ships if we go by the novelisation if I remember correctly.
Image
User avatar
The Silence and I
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 1658
Joined: 2002-11-09 09:04pm
Location: Bleh!

Post by The Silence and I »

Against that many teratons of firepower, even the Borg or the Dominion would go down. The Feds are soooooo screwed :twisted:
User avatar
Alyeska
Federation Ambassador
Posts: 17496
Joined: 2002-08-11 07:28pm
Location: Montana, USA

Re: space battle

Post by Alyeska »

Enforcer Talen wrote:could vader and his fleet from esb take on all of star fleet?
No.
"If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither is on your side, pound on the table."

"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
consequences
Homicidal Maniac
Posts: 6964
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:06pm

Post by consequences »

Why not Alyeska?
Image
User avatar
Alyeska
Federation Ambassador
Posts: 17496
Joined: 2002-08-11 07:28pm
Location: Montana, USA

Post by Alyeska »

(sigh) I thought he said Star Trek, not Star Fleet.
"If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither is on your side, pound on the table."

"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
consequences
Homicidal Maniac
Posts: 6964
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:06pm

Post by consequences »

Fair enough. Actually, all of Starfleet gathered together could probably take any one of the ships smaller then the Executor, presuming Death Squadron gets separated enough, the feds have some warning, and they accept the use of mass suicide tactics.
Image
User avatar
Darth Garden Gnome
Official SD.Net Lawn Ornament
Posts: 6029
Joined: 2002-07-08 02:35am
Location: Some where near a mailbox

Post by Darth Garden Gnome »

Although if you really wanna get long term (vs. just all the ships appearing in one section of space and duking it out), the Feds could hide, ad start to fight guerrila style.

Hit and runs, false alarms, that whole bit, and it could eventually make the Imp ships run out of fuel. But thats just long term.
Leader of the Secret Gnome Revolution
consequences
Homicidal Maniac
Posts: 6964
Joined: 2002-07-07 03:06pm

Post by consequences »

Running them out of fuel is very unlikely if they are confining their attantions to the Federation. Besides, they can just threaten Earth with total destruction, and Starfleet will probably take them on in a heroic but doomed effort.
Image
User avatar
Master of Ossus
Darkest Knight
Posts: 18213
Joined: 2002-07-11 01:35am
Location: California

Post by Master of Ossus »

If Death Squadron just sits there and fights all the ships in SF, then I think SF might have a chance. If, on the other hand, Death Squadron is allowed to open things up and use its speed advantage, then SF has little chance of inflicting meaningful casualties on its enemy.
"Sometimes I think you WANT us to fail." "Shut up, just shut up!" -Two Guys from Kabul

Latinum Star Recipient; Hacker's Cross Award Winner

"one soler flar can vapririze the planit or malt the nickl in lass than millasacit" -Bagara1000

"Happiness is just a Flaming Moe away."
User avatar
Ender
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11323
Joined: 2002-07-30 11:12pm
Location: Illinois

Post by Ender »

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Although if you really wanna get long term (vs. just all the ships appearing in one section of space and duking it out), the Feds could hide, ad start to fight guerrila style.

Hit and runs, false alarms, that whole bit, and it could eventually make the Imp ships run out of fuel. But thats just long term.
An ISD is equippede to operate for 7 years IIRC
بيرني كان سيفوز
*
Nuclear Navy Warwolf
*
in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro
*
ipsa scientia potestas est
User avatar
Sonnenburg
Official Dave Barry Clone
Posts: 2305
Joined: 2002-11-05 08:35pm
Location: Gotham City
Contact:

Post by Sonnenburg »

consequences wrote:Up to twenty ships if we go by the novelisation if I remember correctly.
According to the novel there were 20 captains when Vader gave the order to continue searching for the Falcon, so that's reasonable supposition (although the book also describes another ship taking an asteroid hit than a star destroyer).

Also, do we know if the three ships that collided/nearly collided were out of the picture at that time?
Chuck

Image
User avatar
ReinnResauq
Padawan Learner
Posts: 262
Joined: 2002-10-18 09:04pm
Location: Seattle, WA
Contact:

Post by ReinnResauq »

This is rather funny. Could an infinitesimal part of the Imperial Navy take on everything in Starfleet? It wouldn't be a viable question if the volume of the Executor didn't rival (or excede) that of ALL of Starfleet's major battleships, the nine Galaxy Class vessels and 4 or 5 Sovereigns. Personally, I don't know who would win in a straight up firefight, but if a campaign were allowed, it would be almost trivial to bring the entire Federation to its knees via a simple BDZ/threaten BDZ with just those twenty ships, with or without Vader in command.
The gift of Superman is the same in his universe as ours. It's not about his powers, his costume, his persona, it's about the using the gifts he has to help people. We all have gifts too, maybe we can't leap tall buildings in a single bound, but maybe we're good with math, maybe we're charming. We can use our gifts -whatever they are- to help people. We just need to make that choice. And Superman shows us that it's possible.
User avatar
SPOOFE
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3174
Joined: 2002-07-03 07:34pm
Location: Woodland Hills, CA
Contact:

Post by SPOOFE »

The Federation couldn't even ENGAGE the Imperial ships, if the Imps didn't want to. They show up, fry a planet and any surrounding starbases or ships in a few hours, and then take off. How long would it take Starfleet to react to that? Several days, at best. It'd take them MONTHS to organize a fleet capable of being a threat to any one of those ships.

Now, granted, Death Squadron couldn't capture and hold every Federation planet (unless the entire population was burned away first), but a Total War rampage? Easily done.
The Great and Malignant
User avatar
Admiral Griffith
Youngling
Posts: 145
Joined: 2002-07-09 12:12pm
Location: Southern China

Post by Admiral Griffith »

consequences wrote:Fair enough. Actually, all of Starfleet gathered together could probably take any one of the ships smaller then the Executor, presuming Death Squadron gets separated enough, the feds have some warning, and they accept the use of mass suicide tactics.
I have but one thing to say...
LOL!!!!

Very true, though. :D
It is not well for one to trifle in the affairs of the ancient Chinese generals, for they have a tendency to send armies of tens of thousands of warriors after those who challenge them.
ImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Vertigo1
Defender of the Night
Posts: 4720
Joined: 2002-08-12 12:47am
Location: Tennessee, USA
Contact:

Post by Vertigo1 »

Is this starfleet prior or after the Dominion War?

If its the latter, and if they all got together in one spot.....then I can see SF doing a bit of damage to Vader's escort ships, but not to the Executor itself.
"I once asked Rebecca to sing Happy Birthday to me during sex. That was funny, especially since I timed my thrusts to sync up with the words. And yes, it was my birthday." - Darth Wong

Leader of the SD.Net Gargoyle Clan | Spacebattles Firstone | Twitter
User avatar
Ghost Rider
Spirit of Vengeance
Posts: 27779
Joined: 2002-09-24 01:48pm
Location: DC...looking up from the gutters to the stars

Post by Ghost Rider »

Yes, given the firepower of the Executor alone...this wouldn't even be funny.

Combine that with the novelization, it's be worse, but I'd even give it to Death Squadron from the movie.
MM /CF/WG/BOTM/JL/Original Warsie/ACPATHNTDWATGODW FOREVER!!

Sometimes we can choose the path we follow. Sometimes our choices are made for us. And sometimes we have no choice at all

Saying and doing are chocolate and concrete
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

Federation Starfleet would be hard-pressed to destroy a single ISD, never mind Vader's entire Death Squadron. Look at how much firepower they were able to bring to bear on a Borg cube, and then look at how much firepower ISD's can bring to bear on each other in battle. Hell, look at how much firepower a piddly one-man ship like Slave-1 carries. Slave-1 could have taken out that Borg cube in STFC by itself.

We are the Borg. Resistance is fu- SEISMIC CHARGE DETONATION!

Goodnight.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
Vertigo1
Defender of the Night
Posts: 4720
Joined: 2002-08-12 12:47am
Location: Tennessee, USA
Contact:

Post by Vertigo1 »

Darth Wong wrote:We are the Borg. Resistance is fu- SEISMIC CHARGE DETONATION!

Goodnight.
Ya know, that would be funny to watch. :D
"I once asked Rebecca to sing Happy Birthday to me during sex. That was funny, especially since I timed my thrusts to sync up with the words. And yes, it was my birthday." - Darth Wong

Leader of the SD.Net Gargoyle Clan | Spacebattles Firstone | Twitter
User avatar
ReinnResauq
Padawan Learner
Posts: 262
Joined: 2002-10-18 09:04pm
Location: Seattle, WA
Contact:

Post by ReinnResauq »

This is almost depressing. It's like those superfans skits on SNL. "The Iraqi army vs Ditka." "Ditka destroys the entire army and then has anal sex with Saddam's mother."
The gift of Superman is the same in his universe as ours. It's not about his powers, his costume, his persona, it's about the using the gifts he has to help people. We all have gifts too, maybe we can't leap tall buildings in a single bound, but maybe we're good with math, maybe we're charming. We can use our gifts -whatever they are- to help people. We just need to make that choice. And Superman shows us that it's possible.
User avatar
Darth Fanboy
DUH! WINNING!
Posts: 11182
Joined: 2002-09-20 05:25am
Location: Mars, where I am a totally bitchin' rockstar.

Post by Darth Fanboy »

Ok so Ditka in command of say, the Millenium Falcon versus the Entire Alpha Quadrant

DIIIIIIIITKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*ok back to reality*

it would be interesting to see how that scenario would play out since the feds couldn't rely on a technobabble solution.

"Have you tried changing the shield frequency?"

"yes"

"What about modulating the omicron wave particle saturizers in the shield generator to increase power?"

"yes"

"What about pinching me to find out if this is just all a bad dream?"

"twice"

"do we have any ideas?"

"surrender?"
"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little."
-George Carlin (1937-2008)

"Have some of you Americans actually seen Football? Of course there are 0-0 draws but that doesn't make them any less exciting."
-Dr Roberts, with quite possibly the dumbest thing ever said in 10 years of SDNet.
User avatar
FettKyle
Padawan Learner
Posts: 354
Joined: 2002-10-07 03:15am
Location: Coming soon to stores world wide.

Post by FettKyle »

I believe I ask a few months back if the Execuetor itself could take on and win against the entire federation and it's allies and we concluded yes. in this case it will just be much quicker.
"Oh shit this ain't the District Attorney!" -Frank Jeeves
User avatar
Keevan_Colton
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 10355
Joined: 2002-12-30 08:57pm
Location: In the Land of Logic and Reason, two doors down from Lilliput and across the road from Atlantis...
Contact:

Post by Keevan_Colton »

Darth Fanboy wrote:Ok so Ditka in command of say, the Millenium Falcon versus the Entire Alpha Quadrant

DIIIIIIIITKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*ok back to reality*

it would be interesting to see how that scenario would play out since the feds couldn't rely on a technobabble solution.

"Have you tried changing the shield frequency?"

"yes"

"What about modulating the omicron wave particle saturizers in the shield generator to increase power?"

"yes"

"What about pinching me to find out if this is just all a bad dream?"

"twice"

"do we have any ideas?"

"surrender?"
"Sir...there's something on long range sensors....sorry I mean short range sensors....I mean its right on top....."

Starfleet vessel then demonstrates the great 'bug-on-windshield' principle....
"Prodesse Non Nocere."
"It's all about popularity really, if your invisible friend that tells you to invade places is called Napoleon, you're a loony, if he's called Jesus then you're the president."
"I'd drive more people insane, but I'd have to double back and pick them up first..."
"All it takes for bullshit to thrive is for rational men to do nothing." - Kevin Farrell, B.A. Journalism.
BOTM - EBC - Horseman - G&C - Vampire
Post Reply