Judge to group trying to arrest Rove: About time!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-08-01 09:23pm

The four Iowans arrested last Friday for attempting to make a citizen's arrest of Karl Rove

Retired Methodist minister, Chet Guinn, 80, and Des Moines Catholic Workers, Ed Bloomer, 61, Mona Shaw 57, and Kirk Brown, 25, were arrested at a Des Moines country club where Rove was appearing at a Republican Fundraiser.

Shaw was the first called before Polk County Fifth Judicial District Associate Judge William Price.

After entering her plea, the judge asked Shaw, "Mamn, what were you doing at the Wakonda Country Club?"

"I was attempting to make a citizen's arrest of Karl Rove, your honor," Shaw answered.

"Well," the judge looked up and said, "it's about time."

Then the judge called the other three defendants to the bench and accepted their pleas simultaneously.

A jury trial for has been set for August 20, 2008.

Previous reports that the arrest was "pre-arranged" by either the defendants or the Des Moines Police are inaccurate.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2008-08-01 10:04pm

So, what can they charge them with? Invasion of private property?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-08-01 10:18pm

Trespassing, disturbing the peace, though if they were pursuing a bounty on him, they could violate the tresspassing ordinaces without charge.

As the Supreme Court and President WASHINGTON were quite clear about the massive leeway they granted bountymen in pursuit of human property, and other for money bonds.

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-08-01 10:25pm

And why is it that the general public think we Catholics are in the pockets of the GOP?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-08-01 10:29pm

I don't know?

possibly the sex scandles, a democrat gets a hummer it's a sex scandel, Catholic Priests and Prominate Republicans do the little boys....

sorry couldn't help it.

Tanasinn · Post by **Tanasinn** » 2008-08-01 10:31pm

Pelranius wrote:And why is it that the general public think we Catholics are in the pockets of the GOP?

Because the Catholic church is corrupt, rich, and ancient, like most of the more malignant members of the GOP?

Invictus ChiKen · Post by **Invictus ChiKen** » 2008-08-01 11:00pm

Pelranius wrote:And why is it that the general public think we Catholics are in the pockets of the GOP?

simi-Joke answer: Power, sex with kids, corruption and people blaming the victims instead of the guilty!

Serious answer: Have you ever been to Catholic Answers? One example is the Pope has come out in support of going Green and protecting the environment. Many responded by leaping to the defense of Bush and the GOP.

Literally whenever the GOP and the Pope contradict each other the Pope is cast aside. They didn't like it when I coined the term 'Right Wing of the Cafeteria'

Pelranius · Post by **Pelranius** » 2008-08-01 11:59pm

Invictus ChiKen wrote:
Pelranius wrote:And why is it that the general public think we Catholics are in the pockets of the GOP?
simi-Joke answer: Power, sex with kids, corruption and people blaming the victims instead of the guilty!

Serious answer: Have you ever been to Catholic Answers? One example is the Pope has come out in support of going Green and protecting the environment. Many responded by leaping to the defense of Bush and the GOP.

Literally whenever the GOP and the Pope contradict each other the Pope is cast aside. They didn't like it when I coined the term 'Right Wing of the Cafeteria'

I've noticed that a lot myself. I always wondered how Republican Catholics in general were quite happy in ignoring the Pope over the death penalty but then becoming very orthodox when it came to abortion.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2008-08-02 01:02am

I thought that Karl Rove had fled the country and he was supposed to appear in front of some judges?

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2008-08-02 02:43am

ArmorPierce wrote:I thought that Karl Rove had fled the country and he was supposed to appear in front of some judges?

as did I... if he does have some kind of warrant for his arrest and he is just walking about freely making public appearances, then that is seriously fucked up.

Post by **Steve** » 2008-08-02 04:54pm

"The courts have made their decision. Now let them enforce it!"

Must be taking lessons from the ghsot of Ol' Hickory.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-08-02 04:56pm

Death from the Sea wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:I thought that Karl Rove had fled the country and he was supposed to appear in front of some judges?
as did I... if he does have some kind of warrant for his arrest and he is just walking about freely making public appearances, then that is seriously fucked up.

He fled the country to the Ukraine briefly when ordered to appear before Congress, and returned as soon as it was confirmed by the deballed Democrats that they would not seek to arrest him and force him to appear.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2008-08-02 06:29pm

Those goddamned activist judges, legislating from the ben- oh, what? He hasn't issued a ruling yet? Whoops, jumped the gun there.

Pelranius wrote:And why is it that the general public think we Catholics are in the pockets of the GOP?

Because the Church's five non-negotiable issues are stereotypical religious-right bullshit?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2008-08-02 06:44pm

A contempt vote was done for Rove, but like usual, the DOJ refuses to do it's job and enforce it.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-08-02 09:42pm

I wish someone would begin a house cleaning of curruption the likes of which we haven't seen since the Oddussy....

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-08-02 10:23pm

If Congress are at all interested in protecting their prerogatives, they'd fucking well better get their thumbs out and do something about the man.

Tiriol · Post by **Tiriol** » 2008-08-03 06:41am

As a non-US citizen, I have to ask a question:

isn't the Congress in control of the federal budget? So couldn't they just refuse to give any money to any and all federal organizations (Department of Justice, White House, FBI etc.) if they don't comply with the law and the will of the Congress?

And if they can do so, why they haven't done so already? Or would the public go mad at such attempts to harm their precious President?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2008-08-03 07:20am

Tiriol wrote:Or would the public go mad at such attempts to harm their precious President?

They would go positively berserk.

A popular sentiment in the US seems to be one of "supporting the President", as odd as that might seem in a democratic state.

If a vote were held today in the US, you stand a very tiny chance of getting a majority to impeach, much less the kind of thing you're proposing. It would be seen as a "Left wing Congress" declaring war on an elected president or something like that.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-08-03 02:43pm

Starting with Nixon, the GOP have made it their project to foster a cult of the presidency and to subvert the entire philosophy of republican government around which the Constitution was formed, which does indeed place Congress as the paramount branch of government —being that they are the representatives of the people and the states. It is one of the ironies of their success at this effort that it may have helped (albeit in small measure) to derail the drive to remove Bill Clinton from office when they couldn't beat him at the ballot box and couldn't beat him politically, since it was perceived as a very partisan attack upon a popular elected president. And now, they may find this cult-worship of the office biting them in the ass again with the prospect of an Obama presidency looming over the horizon.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-08-03 03:26pm

While the inability of politicians to think past the next election cycle is a problem endemic to democracy (and a reason why the 17th Amendment was a mistake), the Republican party seems to be particularly adept at falling into that trap. It is one of their greatest weaknesses.