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One of the saddest things I've read in a while.

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Newsweek wrote:Sheila Fowler is 43. She has short brown hair, a soft, girlish voice and three grandchildren. What she does not have is teeth, or a way to pay for dentures. But Fowler is stoic; she jokes that she's got tough gums, adding that she can even eat pretzels if she sucks on them for a bit.

Fowler has made the hour-long journey from her home in Cleveland, Va., to the small town of Wise to take advantage of a huge annual medical and dental expedition set up by Remote Area Medical, a nonprofit organization that provides basic medical and dental care to people in the world's most inaccessible regions. This year, more than 1,800 volunteer doctors, dentists, nurses and assistants descended on the small town near the Kentucky border, setting up enormous field-hospital-style tents in which they saw roughly 2,500 patients over the course of two and a half days in late July. The Wise operation is coordinated locally by a team of nurses with the Health Wagon, a tiny health care outreach program.

By the end of the weekend, the medical team, had extracted 3,857 painfully decayed teeth, administered 156 mammograms, screened hundreds of people for diabetes and heart disease, and given out 1,003 pairs of eyeglasses. About 30 people, chosen by lottery, were fitted for free dentures. Hundreds of people were turned away by volunteers who headed off cars at the main intersection when the clinic reached capacity.

RAM events such as the one in Wise—the Knoxville, Tenn.-based group runs about 15 similar clinics around the world every year, from Guyana to East Africa and rural parts of Appalachia—underscore the health-care dilemma of the poorest Americans. Fowler's case is a prime example: She has almost no income after an auto accident left her unable to do her restaurant job. She's covered by the state Medicaid program, but Medicaid doesn't cover any preventive or routine dental care for adults. It will pay for emergency extractions, but, for Fowler, as for
many others in areas where dentists are scarce, finding one that will take Medicaid payments isn't easy. That's why she came to Wise in 2003 to have her teeth pulled for free.

When she got her lower teeth out, volunteer dentists told Fowler that she had a few that could be saved, but she begged them to take every single one. "I said, 'Do it now while I'm here so that a week from now, after you're all gone, I don't have an infected tooth,'" she remembers.

She has come back to Wise this year to see if she can get dentures and have some questions answered about diabetes, which she suffers from, along with arthritis from the auto accident. It's a hot Thursday evening, and the clinic, which is held at the county fairgrounds, won't open till the next morning. But Fowler, her 28-year-old daughter and her daughter's husband, both of whom say they also urgently need painful teeth pulled, are camping to be sure they get a good spot in line.

They aren't the only ones. By 8 p.m. on Thursday, the parking lot is jammed with people hoping to be among the lucky patients who make it in to see the volunteer medical staff. At least 200 are turned away. Those who have gotten there early enough have their numbered blue admission tickets in hand. They don't even flinch when they're told that they're in for yet another six-hour wait."

"We see people waiting in those long lines and I simply don't know how they tolerate the pain they must be in because of infection and bleeding in their mouth," says Terry Dickinson, executive director of the Virginia Dental Association. And, says Dickinson, patients still are amazed that they don't have to pay for their care here: "I told a young lady here that we could remove her teeth, she was in her 20s, and she just started crying. 'You mean, I don't have to pay for that?' she asked."

Virginia's governor, Tim Kaine, visited this year's RAM expedition with five of his staff members on its first and busiest day and met patients like these as he worked the lines of people waiting for care. Later he said that he finds the event "both depressing and inspiring at the same time." Southwest Virginia's coal mining region lags behind much of the rest of the country and the state in health care—residents have vastly higher rates of diabetes, obesity and lung disease and lower income levels than the rest of Virginia—but Kaine says that the need for more comprehensive care goes far beyond these rural communities, and his is not the only state facing the double bind of a tightening economy and increasing health care costs.
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That was really unpleasant to read.
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"Greatest Health-Care System In The World"
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Dental care lotteries!?

I know how poor US health care is, but I never imagined it was this bad for some people. You read about the massive wait times, unpayable bills and bureaucratic overhead, but you still blithely assume this means people still get care, no matter how rudimentary.

But this? Damn. I can get a full dental check-up in a week for $10, or emergency care in under 24 hours; these people need to have their teeth pulled pre-emptively?
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Darth Wong wrote:"Greatest Health-Care System In The World"
"... if you can pay for it."
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Look at the ages for the mother and the daughter. For some reason I'm not surprised at all with this.
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...from Guyana to East Africa and rural parts of Appalachia...
That says it all. When there's a valid comparison between medical care available in the United States of America and places like that, then things are seriously screwed up.
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MariusRoi wrote:Look at the ages for the mother and the daughter. For some reason I'm not surprised at all with this.
You're not surprised that your fellow countrymen don't have the right to the minimum care required for human decency, even if they're low class? This situation would make governments fall in countries comparatively much poorer than the US.
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Truly a sad story, but it makes me wonder just how well these people are taking care of their teeth, particularly the 28 year-old daughter. Are they so poor that hey can't afford a toothbrush?

When I was about ten, I had to have three molars extracted because, being a willful spoiled brat, I had refused to brush my teeth for pretty much my whole life till that point. Afterwards I started brushing an average of once a day (but still didn't floss and usually didn't brush before bed) and managed to avoid cavities for the next twelve years.

These days my dental hygiene is arguably the best it's ever been, but my childhood experiences make me question these peoples' sincerity when it comes to trying to keep their teeth in their mouths.

The situation reminds me of the article (I think it was posted in Testing) about a woman who was "unable to feed her family" due to the economic downturn, but the picture at the end of the article showed her to a a gigantic walking land-whale :roll:
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Akumz Razor wrote:Truly a sad story, but it makes me wonder just how well these people are taking care of their teeth, particularly the 28 year-old daughter. Are they so poor that hey can't afford a toothbrush?
I wonder: did they ever learn that brushing and flossing are inversely correlated to tooth decay?
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Are they so poor that hey can't afford a toothbrush?
Teeth can decay even with normal care. Brushing and flossing dramatically reduce the risk of decay, but don't take the risk away completely.

If these people have limited financial means, their diet probably won't be very good either.
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It depends largely on diet. If you have a diet high in simple sugars, the things bacteria live for, even if you take what you would call decent care of your teeth, you will have infections. There is a reason why in the pre-industrial period the poor actually had better teeth than the rich, because their diet primarily consisted of whole grain breads (high in complex sugars) vegetables and proteins, and low in fruits and rich cakes. Fewer simple sugars. Their mouth just was not a breeding ground for bacteria.

Now, the foods most available to the poor are processed pastas and breads that are loaded with simple sugars. They might as well have laboratory growth medium for saliva.
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Probably not, but nevertheless that's kind of like asking if they learned that wiping their butts after taking a crap is inversely correlated to stinking like shit. It's kind of a no-brainer, just like a lot of people living in Appalachia.
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ghetto edit- my above post was a response to Surlethe.

In response to Bounty and Alyrium; that may all be true, but my sympathies are still limited. "Processed pastas and breads that are loaded with simple sugars" pretty much describes my diet during my childhood and teen years, yet just doing the bare minimum of tooth maintenance prevented my teeth from rotting away. Maybe I'm just a special case.
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Maybe I'm just a special case.
You are. People get cavities despite normal levels of dental care, and any healthcare system that doesn't account for this is not a functional one.
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I'll concede your point, but keep my contempt for idiots with terrible hygiene and diets. After all, I used to be one.
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Akumz Razor wrote:ghetto edit- my above post was a response to Surlethe.

In response to Bounty and Alyrium; that may all be true, but my sympathies are still limited. "Processed pastas and breads that are loaded with simple sugars" pretty much describes my diet during my childhood and teen years, yet just doing the bare minimum of tooth maintenance prevented my teeth from rotting away. Maybe I'm just a special case.
Your old teeth had mostly shed by the time you were ten. You only had a couple years at most before you had to have a couple teeth extracted, and you had dental care. You probably had flouride in your water and all kinds of other additives the end result of which is a bacterial holocaust when ever you take a drink of tap water. These people are probably drinking well water. mmm fresh from the water table.

You also still probably had a better diet than these folks. Hell, bite into a fresh bell-pepper and chew on it. It scrapes your teeth somewhat clean. As opposed to breads and processed(read:canned) veggies that get stuck places or get partially digested by your saliva and then turned into a bacterial growth media between your teeth.

Then there is poor calcium intake. You have to have a certain amount of calcium in your blood and in your nervous tissue to you know... live. If you dont take in enough calcium, your body takes it from your bones and teeth.

Combine all this with even slightly substandard dental hygiene (or even good hygiene) and your teeth start rotting out.
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Luckily all the teeth I had pulled were baby teeth, but they were still disturbingly rotten. My adult teeth started out strong with a lot of calcium from my high cheese intake, but I still don't like bell peppers ;)
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Akumz Razor wrote:Luckily all the teeth I had pulled were baby teeth, but they were still disturbingly rotten. My adult teeth started out strong with a lot of calcium from my high cheese intake, but I still don't like bell peppers ;)
Any relatively hard crunchy produce will work.

Your baby teeth are of course small and prone to infection anyway. But the point still stands
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And I still concede the point, but remain steadfast in my assumption that the woman in the article must have done a pretty half-assed brushing job to loose all her teeth my 43.
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Akumz Razor wrote:but remain steadfast in my assumption that the woman in the article must have done a pretty half-assed brushing job to loose all her teeth my 43.
She didn't lose all of them. She lost most due to her not getting dental care, then had the rest pulled because she knew there was no conceivable way to get them pulled with any standard of care outside of this charity event. Doesn't this level of despair even begin to clue you in on how bad her situation is?
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I did a rotten job of brushing and flossing for fifteen years or so, from 8 or so until my early 20s. For rotten, read that I would brush my teeth once a week or so, at best. In my late twenties now, I have had 4 teeth rot so badly they are impossible to save, the rest can still be filled, crowned, or some other dental procedure to make them functional again. It's not cheap, though. Even with insurance, I've put about $1,500 in of around $7,000 it'll cost in total, and in the meantime, I'm in pretty constant low-grade dental pain.

Brush your fucking teeth.
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Here is a recent piece on 60 Minutes about Remote Area Medical that was on some months ago.
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Genes play a role too.

On a side note, I have several teeth get messed up by tetracycline exposure when I was a child. (That's what the doctor claims, anyway.) Iron starts replacing the calcium, they turn orange and/or start sloughing away. Some were extracted, some got some big damn crowns, but now those are coming loose.

It's more than just brushing.
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Akumz Razor wrote:And I still concede the point, but remain steadfast in my assumption that the woman in the article must have done a pretty half-assed brushing job to loose all her teeth my 43.
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